The entire mapping and modding section is being restructured so that the various categories have their own subsections, including Bugs, comments/suggestions, help, and download. Although old posts will not be restructured, and new posts must be made in the appropriate categories.
Myself, DorianGrey, theMirror, Lilyo, northernersouth, haruhiko123, thecrazydudesrd, drfrozenfire and others have discussed this matter at length, and as far as we are able to discern these new changes mean, as Lilyo so elegantly put it:
"haha, look! I just found a great new texture pack! I should probably tell the author how awesome it i- oh wait i have to go over to the comment thread in order to comment. Hey man i really love your texture pack but I have a question abou- oh wait i cant ask questions about bugs here, I gotta head over to the bug report thread, im sure therell be a billion people there just waiting to answer my questions! Ok theres this weird bug I get when i install your pack so im just wondering if im installing it cor- oh wait i gotta head over to the installation thread to ask that! Silly me!"
The restructuring is supposed to occur before 1.8 comes out, which is in only a few days.
Please post suggestions for amending/repealing this change before it happens. As far as we can tell, this decision was made without consulting any texture pack artists, so it's only fair for us to get our voices out there now before it's too late.
UPDATE: Proposal by Dante (as referenced in the poll)
In regards to the proposed restructuring of the Mapping and Modding community subforums, here is some feedback that could help with dealing with the problems this restructure strives to solve, while keeping compatibility with the community's wishes as high as possible. This proposal is made with the texture pack subforum in mind, and is posted to provide community feedback on both the problems the section has, and the structure we believe will be the most flexible and effective in countering said problems while at the same time promoting community growth and development.
PROBLEMS WITH THE CURSE PROPOSED RESTRUCTURING
There is not subforum for texture creating discussion and related content. A simple glimpse at the current texture pack section will show that the community adds content in discussions about texturing tutorials, creative contests, texture pack review channels or topics, help/feedback on graphic making programs, general discussion on MC version texture changes etc etc. The proposed structure has no provision for ANY texture pack related discussion that is not an entry.
The proposed 4(5?) way split of texture pack entries will destroy the current community structure and discussion in the section.
For starters, most/all texture packs are de facto and de jure WIP projects, as their respective creators always strive to make them better based on community feedback and support, and are always updating their entries with new content. It is both counterproductive to impose a subjective threshold on what is considered a WIP project vs a legitimate entry, especially since certain creators specialize in certain texture categories (like modding support, mob or item texturing).
The bug and help/use sections are absolutely redundant when texture packs are concerned. Texture packs are not mods to need those sections. Bugs for certain textures inside a pack can be discussed in the texture pack entry, and all the help needed to install a pack can be contained in a simple paragraph in the topic OP.
The splitting of the actual entry from the discussion about it is an exercise in futility. It produces multiple entries for the SE, disrupts user experience when accessing the section and impedes community feedback on a certain entry by having the user go to a different section to comment on said entry.
Splitting the content on MC version based formatting will produce a multitude of search engine entries given the current and historical MC development cycle and also introduce a variety of problems in certain projects that are either community/fan driven for update or rely on community feedback TO update.
We understand the planned use of tags for optimizing search queries for each section according to MC version and type of content, but sadly thats not how the userbase searches for entries right now (and it will be very had to change that in the foreseeable future). The user searches for an entry relying on 2 things. Name of the entry and -possibly- resolution.
The introduction of that many sections will have an adverse effect on the current sticky section topics, both in their content creation/addition and feedback aspects.
Content contribution for new texture creators is gravely inhibited by the proposed complexity of the restructuring. If with the current, basic structure needed for a new entry we have maybe 15 entries per day that do not comply with it in some/all aspects, just take the time and think please what will happen after the proposed structure takes effect.
The addition of the version, type of content and additional rule filters in the texture pack section will have a grave effect on the amount of work needed by the volunteer sectional moderators to try and have the community to adapt and preserve said filters when adding content.
PROPOSED STRUCTURE FOR THE TEXTURE PACK COMMUNITY SECTION
Posting Content Rules on these forums
ALL General Forum posting Rules also apply
A content provider is someone posting a language pack, map, mod ,texture pack, Tool. etc for people to download
Content Provider would write their thread once per texture pack entry, only in the Texture pack entries section.
Content providers must clearly state and link to any pre-requisites (threads) required to installing their content.
Content providers must also Only post and link to d/loads of their own work, (in whole or or part thereof) or that they have written permission to re-distribute. attached within their distribution and stated clearly in their OP thread.
1 mod, texture pack,etc.. / thread not as is it used to be one content provider / thread , to make it easier for members to find mods without having to know authors name.
Reporting a post:
Only original content authors (or their proxy) can report copy infringement , they must also provide a link to original material that they have written (if you spot anything like this then contact the original content author so they can submit a report)
Original content authors can nominate up to 3 delegates from the community that can report copy infringement.
By posting on these forums you agree to abide by the above set of simple rules
L/U = Last updated in sortable numerical date order (no matter where people come from)
[16X16] = an example of resolution the TP uses. Helps with search query optimization without the need to make section subforums for certain resolutions.
the Tags: eg [TP1_8] are there because the search engine doesn’t recognize periods , and require at least 4 letters
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Texture pack creators make one entry/topic for each of their texture packs. The entry is formatted as the example shown above, and any/every additional info the creator wants to put in the entry title can be put on the topic description, NOT the title.
The texture pack discussion subforum does not contain texture pack entries, but serves as a place to discuss texture creation for the game. All general or specialized threads for texturing tutorials, help, popularity polls, review topics etc should go there. No title formatting is needed. In essence, the discussion subforum contains everything but the actual texture pack entries.
Ongoing discussion, bug support and feedback for a said texture pack entry is done in the entry thread. When the topic meets a certain number of posts (and thus becomes a server resource liability), it can be split into a current entry topic (preserving the title formatting used) and a numbered discussion archive topic that goes to the old/archived entry section. Texture creators can link to older discussion archives of their packs in their current entry thread.
WHY SUCH A CHANGE SHOULD IMPLEMENTED
The current proposed restructuring of the texture pack section has already alienated a good portion of the creative artists involved in the thematic discussion. Almost all of the changes hinted on this announcement are actually counter-productive in solving the problems they try to address. Content organization in thematic forum discussions should be helpful enough to further the discussion itself, and at the same time flexible enough to account for quantity or quality issues of added content with the minimal amount of needed moderation and/or secondary screening.
We firmly believe that constructive criticism and idea fusion can provide a better solution both for the community and the administration, and implore you to at least address the points given in the above proposal.
With kind regards,
(artist/member username with link to endorse post)
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Ok guys, this is a rough draft, it can get us started on working to make it better and more compelling as a counter proposal. Feel free to post amendments or changes needed, and then we can move this to a new thread for signing before presenting it to the administration.
Remember guys and gals, we have to work together on this if we stand a chance on reverting/changing this restructuring proposal. The administration and userbase should be united in making this community thrive for all of us. I firmly believe that a compromise can be reached for the common good.
The main reason this split is coming in the first place is to reduce server load for the curse servers. As an administrator/webmaster in various forums in the last 15 years, one of the first things in found out (both in phpbb and Vb, but this applies to all forum systems) is that large threads introduce server CPU strain, make sql database queries a horror story and may even corrupt database files if left completely unchecked.
This means 2 things for Curse. More money for servers and more problems in maintenance.
The way the counter-proposal is trying to deal with this is the best compromise imo between the community and the administration. If a thread reaches the threshold (in Vbulletin and phpbb that I work on it depends on local setting, but generally about 2000 post strings ~ 100 pages is the limit before having problems) it is split between an automated numbered archive and the current version.
That means, a thread with 120 pages will have the following structure
-----------------------------Texture pack entries
-------------------------------------- example topic [TP1_8][16x16] My Texture Pack [v1.00] L/U 20110731
-----------------------------Older/Archived Texture pack entries
-------------------------------------- example topic [AR1][TP1_8][16x16] My Texture Pack [v1.00] L/U 20110731
and a thread with 220 pages will have the following structure
-----------------------------Texture pack entries
-------------------------------------- example topic [TP1_8][16x16] My Texture Pack [v1.00] L/U 20110731
-----------------------------Older/Archived Texture pack entries
-------------------------------------- example topic [AR1][TP1_8][16x16] My Texture Pack [v1.00] L/U 20110731
-----------------------------Older/Archived Texture pack entries
-------------------------------------- example topic [AR2][TP1_8][16x16] My Texture Pack [v1.00] L/U 20110731
The creator does not do anything to make this happen, nor does it concern him. The sectional moderator splits the thread when the threshold is reached, and duplicates/injects the OP to the new current entry topic. Since there are not a lot of topics that have so many pages, and the forum system is automated enough to make those changes easily, the additional strain to make this thing work is the least possible, and certainly less than any other solution hinted or proposed
This is the preferred way that many big forums work with actually. And anyway, unless our counterproposal manages to offer a valid suggestion to solve this problem, it is destined to fail a priori. The one I have put in the draft is the most community compatible one for a regrettable but necessary compromise.
I'm pretty sure there have been discussion threads about it... on the proper forum for it... but we don't spend time there. What they SHOULD have done was make an announcement saying for ALL CONTENT PROVIDERS TO COME TALK ABOUT THIS. just sayin'
yes indeed. I agree. Also, put a [discussion] in the thread title feathers.
Done.
Dorian (or somebody), since you're on the other side of the earth, I'm going to need you to keep this thread alive while I sleep. It's 5am here, I have class at 10am, and I'm exhausted.
Dorian (or somebody), since you're on the other side of the earth, I'm going to need you to keep this thread alive while I sleep. It's 5am here, I have class at 10am, and I'm exhausted.
Dorian (or somebody), since you're on the other side of the earth, I'm going to need you to keep this thread alive while I sleep. It's 5am here, I have class at 10am, and I'm exhausted.
I will help too! I am a lifeless posting android that does not require sleep!!
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I'm confused: so does this mean for my texture I have to make sub-categories or something?
If so, wouldn't that just clog the place up and make the threads overcrowded?
Well either way I don't want to make new categories, it's much more controlled in the one thread. Although I'm not as well renowned as you people, you have my support. The forums are fine as they are... except for a lack of mods.
I'm confused: so does this mean for my texture I have to make sub-categories or something?
If so, wouldn't that just clog the place up and make the threads overcrowded?
Well either way I don't want to make new categories, it's much more controlled in the one thread. Although I'm not as well renowned as you people, you have my support. The forums are fine as they are... except for a lack of mods.
Exactly, it'd just make everything more cluttered and confusing than it already is.
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I agree that this is a stupid idea. If this is ever put into place, the amount of spam and people posting in the wrong section would exponentially increase. Also, although with immensely popular mods, such as the Aether, such sections could be beneficial, for small mod makers and texture packers it would only make things more tedious. As I stated in the TAU thread, would you rather look in ONE place for questions or problems about your mod or texture pack, or would you like to have to look in three or four different sections? This change would signify the end of this entire forum section. Quite literally. People would stop coming here because it'd be far too confusing. It's fine as it is, but we NEED more well-trained moderators. Faust is an excellent example.
Also, I should probably restate that if this change ever occurs, it will be the harbinger of the death of this entire forum section.
That is all. Thank you.
Somebody please go tell the Admins that what they're doing is like what the Australian government is doing to public-sector workers: making life difficult for them. This makes new people less likely to join in and thus hamstringing the government, since they're practically destroying their own system. Basically, it's the same as what's happening here on the forums... The Admins look like they just can't find enough moderators, so they're changing everything to make it harder. That'll only INCREASE the number of people breaking the rules. Very silly way to go, if you ask me. It's a system that defeats its own purpose.
aageon look with him saying we need more mods he means that he needs to be a mod and yes the mod we already have is very good and tries to solve most things :smile.gif:
And alos my opinion for this is like lilyos statement it issnt usefull for texture packs but for big mods and generally BIGGER things than texture packs
I am sorry but your english is quite bad, I am not sure what you mean by this.
aageon look with him saying we need more mods he means that he needs to be a mod and yes the mod we already have is very good and tries to solve most things :smile.gif:
I get the gist of what your trying to say. But i don't like that you came into this thread attacking another member, who has been TRYING to help round here.
I think the best solution is just have texture packs separated with skins, simple, that way the mods can have the new section if thats what 'people' want as the announcement seems to suggest and the texture packs can cruise along fine like they have been, all we need is a couple of mods like faust, thats it, and this forum would be peachy.
its not my english bad , i mean that with the statement of " we need more mods" themirror means that he must be a mod because he is active and things like that .
I disagree, I don't think thats what he meant at all. I think he meant someone like steelfeathers.
(I am sorry to be rude mirror) but even if thats what mirror ment they are a bit to young to moderate, as are a few of the people on this forums, thats not to say they are not good members of the community.
Everything I've read at the notice is pretty dumb, it's a long work around for some simple problems, there should be some sort of size search function e.g. grouping 32x or 64x texture packs if selected, but putting all 1.8 textures or mods in one forum is going to be very messy, especially if you want a mod in particular but you don't know what version it has been updated to, and as for texture packs, the only difference between MC versions is literally no more than 5 to 10 textures, so a whole new thread in a completely different place is stupid.
All the changes will move A LOT of people over to mccustomiser.net, which will be easier to find the texture pack that you were looking for, whereas this way there will be 10+ forums each with how many sub forums?
I get very fustrated when BluesteelAu says that "The split up via MC Version is to aid in the topic sizes, and reduce CPU usage , SQL queries, and access time when reading / searching for content for both members and mod writers"
I cannot play MC on my laptop, however a forum has never EVER been any problem, if your running windows 95 and the internet is slow then that is your fault dumbass, and as for searching for content, as already stated, don't fix the sections that aren't broken, add in some sort of way to add a search tag to the thread eg (32X or 1.8) and thus a proper search function just like mccustomiser.
Sorry for the negative tone, but I feel very strongly about tripling the thread count overnight.
They would be referring to the speed of the server, not your laptop.
I would say that they, at the very least, need to make bugs and help install/use optional for texture packs. That's such a joke. We don't have bugs in the normal sense, and a single help/install/use topic would work for every pack in existence.
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Remember, this thread is for discussing the problem, while Dante's thread is only for signing the petition.
Before you do anything, read this announcement:
http://www.minecraftforum.net/forum-41/announcement-49-upcoming-mapping-modding-restructure/
In summary:
The entire mapping and modding section is being restructured so that the various categories have their own subsections, including Bugs, comments/suggestions, help, and download. Although old posts will not be restructured, and new posts must be made in the appropriate categories.
Myself, DorianGrey, theMirror, Lilyo, northernersouth, haruhiko123, thecrazydudesrd, drfrozenfire and others have discussed this matter at length, and as far as we are able to discern these new changes mean, as Lilyo so elegantly put it:
The restructuring is supposed to occur before 1.8 comes out, which is in only a few days.
Please post suggestions for amending/repealing this change before it happens. As far as we can tell, this decision was made without consulting any texture pack artists, so it's only fair for us to get our voices out there now before it's too late.
UPDATE: Proposal by Dante (as referenced in the poll)
Leave us alone, Curse! Give us more Sectional Moderators (good ones, please, more like Faust) and then leave Texture Packs alone!
Also, feathers, Northerner, Dorian, Haruhiko and I are in a chat, there's a link in the Union.
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yes indeed. I agree. Also, put a [discussion] in the thread title feathers.
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Dorian (or somebody), since you're on the other side of the earth, I'm going to need you to keep this thread alive while I sleep. It's 5am here, I have class at 10am, and I'm exhausted.
Will do my best feathers.
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thanks guys/girls.
If so, wouldn't that just clog the place up and make the threads overcrowded?
Well either way I don't want to make new categories, it's much more controlled in the one thread. Although I'm not as well renowned as you people, you have my support. The forums are fine as they are... except for a lack of mods.
Quote of the Day: "If you think you're gonna snap, or be rude, here's an idea: Don't post." - Theevilpplz
Not to mention fracture the community completely.
Quote of the Day: "If you think you're gonna snap, or be rude, here's an idea: Don't post." - Theevilpplz
but mods a super hard to train up. Which must mean the forum set up is ****.
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this is a very well stated argument/attack.
and never did they say they wanted to be mods. FAUST has been a great mod so far, other than that I barely see another mod in this section.
Also, I should probably restate that if this change ever occurs, it will be the harbinger of the death of this entire forum section.
That is all. Thank you.
Somebody please go tell the Admins that what they're doing is like what the Australian government is doing to public-sector workers: making life difficult for them. This makes new people less likely to join in and thus hamstringing the government, since they're practically destroying their own system. Basically, it's the same as what's happening here on the forums... The Admins look like they just can't find enough moderators, so they're changing everything to make it harder. That'll only INCREASE the number of people breaking the rules. Very silly way to go, if you ask me. It's a system that defeats its own purpose.
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I am sorry but your english is quite bad, I am not sure what you mean by this.
keep your thoughts coming in people.
if you have a problem with mirror take it elsewhere crowshadow.
and your naivety that you english is fine, is ridiculous. Someone else try and read this and make sense of it.
I get the gist of what your trying to say. But i don't like that you came into this thread attacking another member, who has been TRYING to help round here.
I think the best solution is just have texture packs separated with skins, simple, that way the mods can have the new section if thats what 'people' want as the announcement seems to suggest and the texture packs can cruise along fine like they have been, all we need is a couple of mods like faust, thats it, and this forum would be peachy.
I disagree, I don't think thats what he meant at all. I think he meant someone like steelfeathers.
(I am sorry to be rude mirror) but even if thats what mirror ment they are a bit to young to moderate, as are a few of the people on this forums, thats not to say they are not good members of the community.
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I would say that they, at the very least, need to make bugs and help install/use optional for texture packs. That's such a joke. We don't have bugs in the normal sense, and a single help/install/use topic would work for every pack in existence.