Poll: Should we force people to go through a moderator with their pack
Should we force people to go through a moderator with their post and pack [including screenshots] before a texture pack thread should be allowed to be made?
My other concern is this seems to dilute the work of people actually putting in time. I had someone compare their "smudging" of the Default pack to mine in a PM. When my pack has been me selecting the 32x area and completely removing it, and starting from scratch, using multiple layers to try and get decent blending effects and using filters to help make sure everything is blended properly together.
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Won't someone think of the people actually putting effort into packs? D:
this thread makes more sense than the other one, but people can post a pack they like end of really.
Well this is why i'd like some sort of screening. This is the actual problem. People can post ANY PACK they like. I can turn EVERY SINGLE BLOCK PURE WHITE, and, then release another pack where EVERY BLOCK IS PURE BLACK. And keep releasing more, and more, and more lame packs to flood the forums. And there is nothing in place to stop stupidity driven packs from being posted.
cant see that changing tbh. And if you click on a pack you dont like just "tut" to youraelf and move on i guess.
By that logic, I could run a bot to mass-spam the forums with penis images written in ASCII, and you guys should just "ignore them", even when they flood the forums and made finding legit topics hard to find :/
not quite the same, but yeah good luck sorting it out. And just for the record i don't like crap packs either, i just don't get my knickers in a twist over them.
Well between college, my own pack and the few things I do daily, I tend to spend extra time on the forums. I try to give feedback to people making legit packs, and I try to give advice to help.
It's hard to give advice to people whose textures are the equivalent of drawing a penis in their mathbook in highschool :/
It's hard to give advice to people whose textures are the equivalent of drawing a penis in their mathbook in highschool :/
LOL. But anyway, its come to the point now that anyone who shares hatred for a simplepack would only go post to flame it. Which also leads to the fact that they are a waste of time and there isn't really any appropriate suggestions for them except "Go and actually try hard" which the creators actually know they haven't done already.
LOL. But anyway, its come to the point now that anyone who shares hatred for a simplepack would only go post to flame it. Which also leads to the fact that they are a waste of time and there isn't really any appropriate suggestions for them except "Go and actually try hard" which the creators actually know they haven't done already.
This is basically it. All the packs I now see that have no effort involved are people going in and instantly calling them out on bad textures. Like. No one gets anything good out of people posting bad packs ><
This is basically it. All the packs I now see that have no effort involved are people going in and instantly calling them out on bad textures. Like. No one gets anything good out of people posting bad packs ><
Actually, about 20% of the texture pack community uses simple texture packs. They greatly reduce lag on older computers. The only people that post are to flame. But really, after the first 3 were released they didn't need to release any others.
Its a good OP with some very helpful tips for ppl that are starting to mod the game to their own liking. Cheers for that.
Regarding the poll though, I have to vote no too. Here are the reasons.
1. There is no need to screen thread submissions from the community so that all submissions adhere strictly to forum rules. Moderation is the art of enforcing the rules of the house so as to strike the balance and harmony needed to further a content specific community. Preemptive measures like screening add an additional filter to community feedback and growth, and in big communities like this one they can strain the volunteers that do moderation work too much, without providing much benefit for the overall community.
2. Due to the content of the discussion and the specific perks of the forum rules for this subforum, it is imperative for a texture pack to get exposure so that moderators can know whether it breaks a rule or not. Community feedback can easily expose copyright, monetizing and attribution issues, whereas a lone moderator cannot identify some of those issues during screening. Thus, since a second pass is needed for some issues, preemptive filtering becomes an exercise in futility.
3. House rules are not set in stone. They are made, refined and enforced so that there is a common denominator for everyone participating in a discussion that we want to lead to fruition, not anarchy. Thus, preemptive filtering may remove permanently some entries that would conform to both the rules of the house and the vibe of the content discussion almost immediately if given proper feedback.
Moreover, in some of the above posts, there is a notion of screening the actual content of an entry and filtering via totally objective criteria such as the style of the pack. Here are some tips for why this is a bad idea.
1. Beauty is always in the eye of the beholder. Not much more to say, one man's honey is the other's poison when creative arts are concerned.
2. It does not really matter how much you work on your project to anyone else but you. Modding is a hobby done in our free time, and it stems mainly from our intend to better our gaming experience, and sharing that with others. For a user that downloads a pack, the only added value is what the actual mod/TP gives to his gaming experience. If a user likes a pack that took 30 minutes to make (resize, add a warming photo filter, add noise in edges, render fibers in some blocks, add two high pass masks, add glowing edges, diffuse glow, adjust saturation, save, upload and publish) more than one that took 100, he should be free to both voice his opinion and have the ability to actually obtain it.
3. An 11 year old with some basic paint skills should always and a priori be able to publish and share with others the result of him hitting the keyboard with his forehead for 20' or so. De facto and de jure. In the game forums, in a thread that he makes about it in the appropriate thematic subforum. Thats what a community is about.
4. If an artist spends a lot of time and effort in making a texture pack, it shows, really. More people will come to see and download your pack, you will get more feedback and you will be able to better your work easier. Flaming in threads of other ppl that do not have your skills or dedication, creating a PM collective network of fellow bumpers to bring your work back up in the first page via chatting, spamming or mutual bumping, being frustrated over numbers of downloaders, views/posts and referrers etc etc will NOT make your pack more popular. They will not make you better. They will make you bitter. More, day after day. Trust me on this, the problem is not advertising your hobby to others. Its making your hobby into a job...:wink.gif:
5. If an artist spends a minimum amount of time and effort on his project, then he will probably get negative -if even any- feedback for it, less downloads and an even bigger bitterness. By flaming him, crusading for his work (and other works like that) to be restricted from public view and generally acting like a **** as a forum poster will not make the problem go away. Because the problem is not the actual quality of the work he has done, or the fact that there exists no threshold of creativity or effort beyond which his work is valid and worth.
The problem is that when you see an entry you don't like, you don't push the "back" button and go away. You don't send a pm to the guy, listing some tips for his project or even a string of links with threads that others put up with tutorial and tips.
You just bump his page up the sea of mediocrity, past your own work or work that you value more than his.
And that guys and gals, is a real problem..
Just my 2c here, hope that helps. Cheers...:RFlower:
I'm not trying to impede on people trying to get feedback for their packs. I can realize a nicely done texture pack, even if I personally don't find it visually appealing to myself. But when people just post rehashed texture packs with slight changes with no screenshots, no formatting, and nothing but a stupid, misspelled 3 word sentence and an AdFly link, all it does is push more and more stuff down into the depths of the forums.
If a pack is unique, it deserves exposure. If the creator is actually putting the time and effort into a pack, it deserves exposure. If the pack is a piece of crap that is, LITERALLY, the SAME black outlined, SOLID, stupid "comicraft" idea, it doesn't deserve exposure. Because every ****ing pack will get the same feedback. If you WANT feedback on how to get better at it, go LOOK at one of the 300,000 of them already out there and go through those threads, and read the comments. Or post a thread, asking if someone can take some time to help give tips for their pack. There is no need to post barely edited, poorly designed packs every day on the forums. It just ends up becoming pollution.
I can go into any texture pack, and even if I don't like it, realize how much time, effort and thought has gone into a texture pack. I give feedback on the packs that have any effort into it. No offence to the "simple pack" creators, but I can make a "simple" pack in this game in about an two tops, including most of the items and mobs. I won't give constructive feedback to someone who is just a kid coming into a forum because he wants to be a "community known texture pack artist" with his "cutting edge" design and his "originality".
If you've got no artistic skills. Make a pack and keep it to yourself. Ask in a thread if someone would be willing to look at your work and help give tips or point you to tutorials.
If you've got no artistic skills, but are willing to take time to experiment, test out and learn, than go ahead and post it on the forums to get feedback. No one wants to help people who are half-assing anything. There is enough of that in real life, we'd rather be able to have people readily serious to learn and make real packs.
But none of this will happen, because it's just kids posting their stupid packs they think are good because their mommy said they are beautiful.
All things considered, we need more moderators. Like, a ton. We should make some of the better texture artists moderators or something - they're patrolling this section better than the other mods are, anyway. If they were made mods, this place'd be a lot better.
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Won't someone think of the people actually putting effort into packs? D:
Well this is why i'd like some sort of screening. This is the actual problem. People can post ANY PACK they like. I can turn EVERY SINGLE BLOCK PURE WHITE, and, then release another pack where EVERY BLOCK IS PURE BLACK. And keep releasing more, and more, and more lame packs to flood the forums. And there is nothing in place to stop stupidity driven packs from being posted.
xD
People tend to take something and say "well you can't change it".
By that logic, I could run a bot to mass-spam the forums with penis images written in ASCII, and you guys should just "ignore them", even when they flood the forums and made finding legit topics hard to find :/
Well between college, my own pack and the few things I do daily, I tend to spend extra time on the forums. I try to give feedback to people making legit packs, and I try to give advice to help.
It's hard to give advice to people whose textures are the equivalent of drawing a penis in their mathbook in highschool :/
LOL. But anyway, its come to the point now that anyone who shares hatred for a simplepack would only go post to flame it. Which also leads to the fact that they are a waste of time and there isn't really any appropriate suggestions for them except "Go and actually try hard" which the creators actually know they haven't done already.
This is basically it. All the packs I now see that have no effort involved are people going in and instantly calling them out on bad textures. Like. No one gets anything good out of people posting bad packs ><
Actually, about 20% of the texture pack community uses simple texture packs. They greatly reduce lag on older computers. The only people that post are to flame. But really, after the first 3 were released they didn't need to release any others.
This. No 16x pack will reduce lag or increase FPS more than any other 16x pack :/
I'm not trying to impede on people trying to get feedback for their packs. I can realize a nicely done texture pack, even if I personally don't find it visually appealing to myself. But when people just post rehashed texture packs with slight changes with no screenshots, no formatting, and nothing but a stupid, misspelled 3 word sentence and an AdFly link, all it does is push more and more stuff down into the depths of the forums.
If a pack is unique, it deserves exposure. If the creator is actually putting the time and effort into a pack, it deserves exposure. If the pack is a piece of crap that is, LITERALLY, the SAME black outlined, SOLID, stupid "comicraft" idea, it doesn't deserve exposure. Because every ****ing pack will get the same feedback. If you WANT feedback on how to get better at it, go LOOK at one of the 300,000 of them already out there and go through those threads, and read the comments. Or post a thread, asking if someone can take some time to help give tips for their pack. There is no need to post barely edited, poorly designed packs every day on the forums. It just ends up becoming pollution.
I can go into any texture pack, and even if I don't like it, realize how much time, effort and thought has gone into a texture pack. I give feedback on the packs that have any effort into it. No offence to the "simple pack" creators, but I can make a "simple" pack in this game in about an two tops, including most of the items and mobs. I won't give constructive feedback to someone who is just a kid coming into a forum because he wants to be a "community known texture pack artist" with his "cutting edge" design and his "originality".
If you've got no artistic skills. Make a pack and keep it to yourself. Ask in a thread if someone would be willing to look at your work and help give tips or point you to tutorials.
If you've got no artistic skills, but are willing to take time to experiment, test out and learn, than go ahead and post it on the forums to get feedback. No one wants to help people who are half-assing anything. There is enough of that in real life, we'd rather be able to have people readily serious to learn and make real packs.
But none of this will happen, because it's just kids posting their stupid packs they think are good because their mommy said they are beautiful.
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