if the original creators ask me to take it down I will, but not until then
That's not how it works.
If you steal a jug of milk from a supermarket, it's not wrong only if you're caught. Same thing here; you're still doing a bad thing by taking these people's work, and continuing just because they haven't seen the thread is, to be blunt, stupid.
ok the content is freely given and keep in mind I'm still trying to contact them, I think there work is great thats why I used it. its a complement. I am sure that they will love it and they will probably see it soon if they check the boards. and to the creators of the texture packs if you are reading this great work I love the texture and really did try to contact you. and thats all I have to say about it
Wow! I've come very late to this and I must say all the talk of legality that has been introduced is a big red herring and frankly distracting from the fact that we are talking about the moral and forum rules that clearly apply here. If someone wishes to gain respect amongst the other members and creators on this forum, they must abide by the forum rules. There is absolutely no arguement about this. Whether we have a legal right or not to our original work, there are enough right minded, fair, creative folk here who will do the right thing to protect their work. Either by leaving and making this section a poorer place or by taking the matter up with the appropriate moderator or commenting as they are entitled to do, so long as it remains well mannered. I'm getting tired of those who haven't created something around here or who clearly don't respect the work of others, casually reminding those of us who have, what are our 'legal' rights are.
catseye10000, I'm not going to be cross, just disappointed that you didn't ask first before re-releasing some of my textures. My computer has been connected to the forums for the past 12 hours and most of yesterday and I still haven't had a PM from you asking permission...which you would have got by the way. I'm not sure what problems you're having with the messaging system, but it seems to be working alright for me. I've PM'd many times today, so I think you are being less than honest to say you've attempted to contact me. My box is still empty, so the 'legal advice' here is quite wrong! According to the 'forum' rules you must get permission first before uploading or you could risk eventually being banned from these forums. It's laughable to suggest that anyone would be taking anyone to court, and the legal arguements that apply in the real world are a needless distraction from those showing how much they purport to know about legal matters. What matters is what members of this forum think and how they want their fellow members to conduct themselves. I'm well aware that anyone from outside these forums could 'nick' my stuff, I don't need some legal expert to remind me of this, but from within the confines of these 'insignificant forums' as has been stated, members must conduct themselves according to the rules. The forum rules clearly state, permission has to be granted first.
I don't require that people ask me when they make up their own 'private' mixes, thats what my textures are there for, but I do ask in my OP (according to the forum rules) that you ask my permission before re-uploading them for others to use. I guess by now I would have thought that anyone having gone to the trouble of offering a re-mix of textures would be familiar with the forum rules when it comes to using other peoples work, which are quite specific. I repeat them again here:
NEVER:
Post Illegal Activity:
- Anything referring to Minecraft hacks;
- Any link or reference to third-party clients or game interfaces;
- Any material that is the work of another individual but is being represented as original. Permission must be obtained from the original creator, and due credit must be given, before including any element of that creator's work.
I'm beginning to wish the above was enblazoned across the top of every page of the texture pack section, but it would probably begin to look a little Orwellian around here. Lol!
Now with regard to mixture packs, I see it as a necessary evil really, and I usually say yes to anyone asking if they can re-use my textures, but I wish people would keep it to themselves for their own personal use or at least share it with proper identification as to where each element came from. I don't care how tedious it would be to have to identify the owner of each of the textures, but I've seen it done in only a handful of cases and it was done really well and had me complimenting them for their work. A simple color key identifying whose work belongs to who, would suffice. If you can't be bothered to do that, then why should I be bothered to give you permission for the weeks of work I've put into my original work, only for it to be mixed up with others. So yes, I am kind of flattered that someone likes my work enough to want to use it, but not really flattered...because that's not how it was intended it to be used.
The other thing I'm really beginning to dislike about pack mixes, is the confusion that ensues later, when folk, usually younger members with no thoughts of the niceties of asking the original artist, go and make their own mix pack from 'other' mix packs and the provenance (who created it) of someone's property (their artwork) gets lost in the mists of MInecraft. Some who make mixes of other peoples work ask for donations. Nothing wrong in asking for donations if it's your own work, but it is very wrong morally if you ask for donations when using the work of someone who hasn't given you their permission to do so. This part of mixing particularly offends me...if I don't ask for a donation, why should someone else use my work and receive money for it, if they haven't asked my permission and come to some agreement. This is a moral arguement I know and probably something a legal person wouldn't understand. Now, don't worry, I know you're not asking for anything, so that wasn't directed at you, but it does happen! :smile.gif:
Billy Tingle's analogy of stealing milk from a supermarket is a good one and it was just that, an analogy. So all the legal ramblings that ensued after that are a little superfluous.
Whatever anyone else has said here from a legal standpoint, catseye10000, the onus is on you to get permission first, and certainly not on the original artist to have to hear about it through the grapevine or stumble upon it. That's a sure fire way of causing offence on these forums. According to the forum rules, until you get permission you must not post it on these forums... a very simple rule that anyone can understand, even a lawyer.
I am quite sure you are not wanting to cause offence and you've probably learned a valuable lesson for the future from all the hassle here, that whether or not an artist has 'legal' rights he/she certainly has moral and clear forum rights.
You do have my permission now, for what it's worth, only because I've taken up a lot of your valuable thread space to raise a few points, but I hope you will contact the other artists and get their permission first and if they don't reply, you shouldn't really be continuing with this according to the forum rules.
One of the reasons it's customary to get permission is illustrated perfectly by Gestankfaust's posts really, he's not really happy about some older texture/s being used and given the opportunity by a post from you, might have suggested you use something different. It might be that an artist has promised exclusive use of his textures to someone else for some other purpose, hence the reason why it's important to always ask the artist first, aside from the forum rules stating you must do so.
As much as the legal advice given here does apply to the real world of the internet we inhabit, if you wish to gain the respect of other 'fair-minded' members on these forums... you should abide by the 'forum rules'. Might not be 'legal' advice, but it's certainly 'good' advice. :smile.gif:
@ Zman13neo: Might I be so bold as to ask what interest you actually have in Minecraft or the Texture Pack Section? It just seems a little strange that your first two posts on these forums are to remind those who have worked hard to make it more fun for other members here that they have no legal protection and that it's open house for other members to do what they want with their work. Your first two posts had nothing to do with Minecraft really did they? It just seems a little strange to me, being such a fan of Minecraft. :smile.gif:
catseye10000, I'm not going to be cross, just disappointed that you didn't ask first before re-releasing some of my textures. My computer has been connected to the forums for the past 12 hours and most of yesterday and I still haven't had a PM from you asking permission...which you would have got by the way. I'm not sure what problems you're having with the messaging system, but it seems to be working alright for me. I've PM'd many times today, so I think you are being less than honest to say you've attempted to contact me. My box is still empty, so the 'legal advice' here is quite wrong! According to the 'forum' rules you must get permission first before uploading or you could risk eventually being banned from these forums.
thank you for your permission Glimmar, I sorry about not asking first I got a little impatient with the site, which now I think it is a browser issue I'm trying a different one. but I hope you like the pack, I'll be trying to send you a massage shortly
And now we travel into the world of "Moral Rights". Although I'm completely inclined to believe that people should act morally, and as such, should treat others with a certain level of respect, this is not how the world works. It is never how the world will work, and it is largely, a matter of perspective. There is no such thing as a "Moral" right, because morals will always differ from place to place, and person to person. And even among the same group of Morals there is no obligation to abide by them.
As for the Forum rules, as I said in my last post, yes you could make a big deal out of it and possibly get the OP banned, but 10 more doing the same thing would pop up, and after them 100 will follow. And any of the ones banned can just go to a different forums and post them there without a problem. You're taking a Moral stand, through a medium which has no morals. As perfect as the world would be if everyone on the internet was respectful and did everything based on good old fashion moral values, it's never going to happen.
If you want to fight a losing battle, by all means do so, but it's not really solving the problem, which is the lack of protection for your work. And knowningly providing your work, where anyone can reach it, and expecting them to handle it how YOU want it handled, is the equivalant of handing a convicted bank robber your creditcard and pin number and expecting him to run out and pick up some flour for you. If you want your art to be handled in a manner more to your liking, you have to be smart about it, otherwise, don't expect anything but the worst out of people.
If you expect everyone to get their just desserts on the internet, don't hold your breath. It's the world we live in, and save the End of Days, that's not going to change anytime soon. And at the end of the day, with all the hardships that litter our planet, preaching from atop some moral soapbox is a waste of time, and not something worth making into a big deal.
And in regards to my posting, it's an attempt to provide texture pack creators with the hard truth about their work. I've seen too many of you running around complaining about your work being stolen and chanting copyright! Copyright!, when in actuality you may as well be walking around a crowded city street with your social security number tattoo'd on your forehead. It's a matter of common sense. If you want something protected, you take measures to protect it, or you deal with the results of your failure to. You don't however, go around complaining about it, because in the Grand Scheme of things, it doesn't change anything, and it makes you look whiney at best.
catseye10000, I'm not going to be cross, just disappointed that you didn't ask first before re-releasing some of my textures. My computer has been connected to the forums for the past 12 hours and most of yesterday and I still haven't had a PM from you asking permission...which you would have got by the way. I'm not sure what problems you're having with the messaging system, but it seems to be working alright for me. I've PM'd many times today, so I think you are being less than honest to say you've attempted to contact me. My box is still empty, so the 'legal advice' here is quite wrong! According to the 'forum' rules you must get permission first before uploading or you could risk eventually being banned from these forums.
thank you for your permission Glimmar, I sorry about not asking first I got a little impatient with the site, which now I think it is a browser issue I'm trying a different one. but I hope you like the pack, I'll be trying to send you a massage shortly
catseye10000, I'm surprised you're able to upload the pack and post on the forums, but not PM me first. If your browser could handle posting and uploading a pack, I can't see how you would have problems PM'ing me!? Not that I'm any kind of computer wizz or anything! :biggrin.gif:
You really should stop offering the pack until you have everyone's permission though, excitement in uploading prematurely isn't an excuse for doing things according to the forum rules. I can't force you not to, but it would be the right thing to do, just some friendly advice. :smile.gif:
@ Zman13neo: Might I be so bold as to ask what interest you actually have in Minecraft or the Texture Pack Section? It just seems a little strange that your first two posts on these forums are to remind those who have worked hard to make it more fun for other members here that they have no legal protection and that it's open house for other members to do what they want with their work. Your first two posts had nothing to do with Minecraft really did they? It just seems a little strange to me, being such a fan of Minecraft. :smile.gif:
^this..thank Glimmar
Zman..get a clue. You can read what it says and know what it means, and still twist it around to fit your backwards and misinformed (as far as MC texture packs go) argument. Just very "politician like" to me.
Catseye, i believe, gets it. And still has my permission also (I started this all off just razzing catseye after all) to use the bed. The irritation, believe it or not, comes more from you backseat politicians.
And I'm sorry it came to that Catseye.
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catseye10000, I'm not going to be cross, just disappointed that you didn't ask first before re-releasing some of my textures. My computer has been connected to the forums for the past 12 hours and most of yesterday and I still haven't had a PM from you asking permission...which you would have got by the way. I'm not sure what problems you're having with the messaging system, but it seems to be working alright for me. I've PM'd many times today, so I think you are being less than honest to say you've attempted to contact me. My box is still empty, so the 'legal advice' here is quite wrong! According to the 'forum' rules you must get permission first before uploading or you could risk eventually being banned from these forums.
thank you for your permission Glimmar, I sorry about not asking first I got a little impatient with the site, which now I think it is a browser issue I'm trying a different one. but I hope you like the pack, I'll be trying to send you a massage shortly
catseye10000, I'm surprised you're able to upload the pack and post on the forums, but not PM me first. If your browser could handle posting and uploading a pack, I can't see how you would have problems PM'ing me!? Not that I'm any kind of computer wizz or anything! :biggrin.gif:
You really should stop offering the pack until you have everyone's permission though, excitement in uploading prematurely isn't an excuse for doing things according to the forum rules. I can't force you not to, but it would be the right thing to do, just some friendly advice. :smile.gif:
did you get the email and pm I only need one more persons permision. oh and the page wouldn't load for the message. I have no Idea why it wouldn't with firefox but I'm using google chrome now
@ Zman13neo: Might I be so bold as to ask what interest you actually have in Minecraft or the Texture Pack Section? It just seems a little strange that your first two posts on these forums are to remind those who have worked hard to make it more fun for other members here that they have no legal protection and that it's open house for other members to do what they want with their work. Your first two posts had nothing to do with Minecraft really did they? It just seems a little strange to me, being such a fan of Minecraft. :smile.gif:
^this..thank Glimmar
Zman..get a clue. You can read what it says and know what it means, and still twist it around to fit your backwards and misinformed (as far as MC texture packs go) argument. Just very "politician like" to me.
Catseye, i believe, gets it. And still has my permission also (I started this all off just razzing catseye after all) to use the bed. The irritation, believe it or not, comes more from you backseat politicians.
You only have 3 or 4 posts...just stop yammering already. You have no clue about who I am or what I've created.
My post count doesn't mean a thing, and it doesn't show how long I've read these forums. And I know well enough who you are and what you've created. You wear it on your sleeve rather proudly. However since the issue seems to be resolving, and you seem hellbent on stubbornly running away from obvious truths and incapable of actual rebuttle, I'll save myself the trouble. Hopefully at least one person with the most basic level of intelligence takes something from this, and makes an effort to protect their hard work, instead of running around crying about it anonymously on a forum.
And now we travel into the world of "Moral Rights". Although I'm completely inclined to believe that people should act morally, and as such, should treat others with a certain level of respect, this is not how the world works. It is never how the world will work, and it is largely, a patter of perspective. There is no such thing as a "Moral" right, because morals will always differ from place to place, and person to person. And even among the same group of Morals there is no obligation to abide by them.
As for the Forum rules, as I said in my last post, yes you could make a big deal out of it and possibly get the OP banned, but 10 more doing the same thing would pop up, and after them 100 will follow. And any of the ones banned can just go to a different forums and post them there without a problem. You're taking a Moral stand, through a medium which has no morals. As perfect as the world would be if everyone on the internet was respectful and did everything based on good old fashion moral values, it's never going to happen.
If you want to fight a losing battle, by all means do so, but it's not really solving the problem, which is the lack of protection for your work. And knowningly providing your work, where anyone can reach it, and expecting them to handle it how YOU want it handled, is the equivalant of handing a convicted bank robber your creditcard and pin number and expecting him to run out and pick up some flour for you. If you want your art to be handled in a manner more to your liking, you have to be smart about it, otherwise, don't expect anything but the worst out of people.
If you expect everyone to get their just desserts on the internet, don't hold your breath. It's the world we live in, and save the End of Days, that's not going to change anytime soon. And at the end of the day, with all the hardships that litter our planet, preaching from atop some moral soapbox is a waste of time, and not something worth making into a big deal.
And in regards to my posting, it's an attempt to provide texture pack creators with the hard truth about their work. I've seen too many of you running around complaining about your work being stolen and chanting copyright! Copyright!, when in actuality you may as well be walking around a crowded city street with your social security number tattoo'd on your forehead. It's a matter of common sense. If you want something protected, you take measures to protect it, or you deal with the results of your failure to. You don't however, go around complaining about it, because in the Grand Scheme of things, it doesn't change anything, and it makes you look whiney at best.
Well, that's clear for sure now! You certainly have no interest in MInecraft and sound very much like a junior lawyer touting for business, or certainly a cynic of the highest order, but thanks for the advice. I feel you've made a real difference, and I'm truly honoured to be advised by you. You've turned out to be good fun really. Mind you, completely bonkers, in the way you feel you are on these forums to provide a service to whiney artists, and excuse me, if you want to be taken seriously round here, which I'm finding really hard to do right now, your post count does matter!
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And in regards to my posting, it's an attempt to provide texture pack creators with the hard truth about their work.
and has time and time again given them each credit.
yes I'm trying to be very nice about it but every one wants to rip my head off for it
catseye10000, your being nice is very... well nice, but being nice isn't the same as following the forum rules. You need to ask for permission first before uploading, that's what the forum rules dictate. Just because you credited us is not the issue here. Lol! You do understand don't you?
I smell a clever jape going on here between you and Zman13neo!
and has time and time again given them each credit.
yes I'm trying to be very nice about it but every one wants to rip my head off for it
catseye10000, your being nice is very... well nice, but being nice isn't the same as following the forum rules. You need to ask for permission first before uploading, that's what the forum rules dictate. Just because you credited us is not the issue here. Lol! You do understand don't you?
I smell a clever jape going on here between you and Zman13neo!
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I take donations. *Wink wink*
Lol! :biggrin.gif:
if you mean joke no not at all, but did you get my mail now?
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Curse PremiumWow! I've come very late to this and I must say all the talk of legality that has been introduced is a big red herring and frankly distracting from the fact that we are talking about the moral and forum rules that clearly apply here. If someone wishes to gain respect amongst the other members and creators on this forum, they must abide by the forum rules. There is absolutely no arguement about this. Whether we have a legal right or not to our original work, there are enough right minded, fair, creative folk here who will do the right thing to protect their work. Either by leaving and making this section a poorer place or by taking the matter up with the appropriate moderator or commenting as they are entitled to do, so long as it remains well mannered. I'm getting tired of those who haven't created something around here or who clearly don't respect the work of others, casually reminding those of us who have, what are our 'legal' rights are.
catseye10000, I'm not going to be cross, just disappointed that you didn't ask first before re-releasing some of my textures. My computer has been connected to the forums for the past 12 hours and most of yesterday and I still haven't had a PM from you asking permission...which you would have got by the way. I'm not sure what problems you're having with the messaging system, but it seems to be working alright for me. I've PM'd many times today, so I think you are being less than honest to say you've attempted to contact me. My box is still empty, so the 'legal advice' here is quite wrong!
I don't require that people ask me when they make up their own 'private' mixes, thats what my textures are there for, but I do ask in my OP (according to the forum rules) that you ask my permission before re-uploading them for others to use. I guess by now I would have thought that anyone having gone to the trouble of offering a re-mix of textures would be familiar with the forum rules when it comes to using other peoples work, which are quite specific. I repeat them again here:
NEVER:
Post Illegal Activity:
- Anything referring to Minecraft hacks;
- Any link or reference to third-party clients or game interfaces;
- Any material that is the work of another individual but is being represented as original. Permission must be obtained from the original creator, and due credit must be given, before including any element of that creator's work.
I'm beginning to wish the above was enblazoned across the top of every page of the texture pack section, but it would probably begin to look a little Orwellian around here. Lol!
Now with regard to mixture packs, I see it as a necessary evil really, and I usually say yes to anyone asking if they can re-use my textures, but I wish people would keep it to themselves for their own personal use or at least share it with proper identification as to where each element came from. I don't care how tedious it would be to have to identify the owner of each of the textures, but I've seen it done in only a handful of cases and it was done really well and had me complimenting them for their work. A simple color key identifying whose work belongs to who, would suffice. If you can't be bothered to do that, then why should I be bothered to give you permission for the weeks of work I've put into my original work, only for it to be mixed up with others. So yes, I am kind of flattered that someone likes my work enough to want to use it, but not really flattered...because that's not how it was intended it to be used.
The other thing I'm really beginning to dislike about pack mixes, is the confusion that ensues later, when folk, usually younger members with no thoughts of the niceties of asking the original artist, go and make their own mix pack from 'other' mix packs and the provenance (who created it) of someone's property (their artwork) gets lost in the mists of MInecraft. Some who make mixes of other peoples work ask for donations. Nothing wrong in asking for donations if it's your own work, but it is very wrong morally if you ask for donations when using the work of someone who hasn't given you their permission to do so. This part of mixing particularly offends me...if I don't ask for a donation, why should someone else use my work and receive money for it, if they haven't asked my permission and come to some agreement. This is a moral arguement I know and probably something a legal person wouldn't understand. Now, don't worry, I know you're not asking for anything, so that wasn't directed at you, but it does happen! :smile.gif:
Billy Tingle's analogy of stealing milk from a supermarket is a good one and it was just that, an analogy. So all the legal ramblings that ensued after that are a little superfluous.
Whatever anyone else has said here from a legal standpoint, catseye10000, the onus is on you to get permission first, and certainly not on the original artist to have to hear about it through the grapevine or stumble upon it. That's a sure fire way of causing offence on these forums. According to the forum rules, until you get permission you must not post it on these forums... a very simple rule that anyone can understand, even a lawyer.
I am quite sure you are not wanting to cause offence and you've probably learned a valuable lesson for the future from all the hassle here, that whether or not an artist has 'legal' rights he/she certainly has moral and clear forum rights.
You do have my permission now, for what it's worth, only because I've taken up a lot of your valuable thread space to raise a few points, but I hope you will contact the other artists and get their permission first and if they don't reply, you shouldn't really be continuing with this according to the forum rules.
One of the reasons it's customary to get permission is illustrated perfectly by Gestankfaust's posts really, he's not really happy about some older texture/s being used and given the opportunity by a post from you, might have suggested you use something different. It might be that an artist has promised exclusive use of his textures to someone else for some other purpose, hence the reason why it's important to always ask the artist first, aside from the forum rules stating you must do so.
As much as the legal advice given here does apply to the real world of the internet we inhabit, if you wish to gain the respect of other 'fair-minded' members on these forums... you should abide by the 'forum rules'. Might not be 'legal' advice, but it's certainly 'good' advice. :smile.gif:
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Curse Premiumthank you for your permission Glimmar, I sorry about not asking first I got a little impatient with the site, which now I think it is a browser issue I'm trying a different one. but I hope you like the pack, I'll be trying to send you a massage shortly
As for the Forum rules, as I said in my last post, yes you could make a big deal out of it and possibly get the OP banned, but 10 more doing the same thing would pop up, and after them 100 will follow. And any of the ones banned can just go to a different forums and post them there without a problem. You're taking a Moral stand, through a medium which has no morals. As perfect as the world would be if everyone on the internet was respectful and did everything based on good old fashion moral values, it's never going to happen.
If you want to fight a losing battle, by all means do so, but it's not really solving the problem, which is the lack of protection for your work. And knowningly providing your work, where anyone can reach it, and expecting them to handle it how YOU want it handled, is the equivalant of handing a convicted bank robber your creditcard and pin number and expecting him to run out and pick up some flour for you. If you want your art to be handled in a manner more to your liking, you have to be smart about it, otherwise, don't expect anything but the worst out of people.
If you expect everyone to get their just desserts on the internet, don't hold your breath. It's the world we live in, and save the End of Days, that's not going to change anytime soon. And at the end of the day, with all the hardships that litter our planet, preaching from atop some moral soapbox is a waste of time, and not something worth making into a big deal.
And in regards to my posting, it's an attempt to provide texture pack creators with the hard truth about their work. I've seen too many of you running around complaining about your work being stolen and chanting copyright! Copyright!, when in actuality you may as well be walking around a crowded city street with your social security number tattoo'd on your forehead. It's a matter of common sense. If you want something protected, you take measures to protect it, or you deal with the results of your failure to. You don't however, go around complaining about it, because in the Grand Scheme of things, it doesn't change anything, and it makes you look whiney at best.
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Curse Premiumcatseye10000, I'm surprised you're able to upload the pack and post on the forums, but not PM me first. If your browser could handle posting and uploading a pack, I can't see how you would have problems PM'ing me!? Not that I'm any kind of computer wizz or anything! :biggrin.gif:
You really should stop offering the pack until you have everyone's permission though, excitement in uploading prematurely isn't an excuse for doing things according to the forum rules. I can't force you not to, but it would be the right thing to do, just some friendly advice. :smile.gif:
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Zman..get a clue. You can read what it says and know what it means, and still twist it around to fit your backwards and misinformed (as far as MC texture packs go) argument. Just very "politician like" to me.
Catseye, i believe, gets it. And still has my permission also (I started this all off just razzing catseye after all) to use the bed. The irritation, believe it or not, comes more from you backseat politicians.
And I'm sorry it came to that Catseye.
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Retired StaffYou only have 3 or 4 posts...just stop yammering already. You have no clue about who I am or what I've created.
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did you get the email and pm I only need one more persons permision. oh and the page wouldn't load for the message. I have no Idea why it wouldn't with firefox but I'm using google chrome now
its ok Faust I'm just glad your not mad at me
My post count doesn't mean a thing, and it doesn't show how long I've read these forums. And I know well enough who you are and what you've created. You wear it on your sleeve rather proudly. However since the issue seems to be resolving, and you seem hellbent on stubbornly running away from obvious truths and incapable of actual rebuttle, I'll save myself the trouble. Hopefully at least one person with the most basic level of intelligence takes something from this, and makes an effort to protect their hard work, instead of running around crying about it anonymously on a forum.
yes I'm trying to be very nice about it but every one wants to rip my head off for it
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Curse PremiumWell, that's clear for sure now! You certainly have no interest in MInecraft and sound very much like a junior lawyer touting for business, or certainly a cynic of the highest order, but thanks for the advice. I feel you've made a real difference, and I'm truly honoured to be advised by you. You've turned out to be good fun really. Mind you, completely bonkers, in the way you feel you are on these forums to provide a service to whiney artists, and excuse me, if you want to be taken seriously round here, which I'm finding really hard to do right now, your post count does matter!
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Retired StaffYour post count, coupled with that you joined today to post this. It's either a joke on us, or just a joke in general...
Either way, I'm done with you.
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to...."
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Curse Premiumcatseye10000, your being nice is very... well nice, but being nice isn't the same as following the forum rules. You need to ask for permission first before uploading, that's what the forum rules dictate. Just because you credited us is not the issue here. Lol! You do understand don't you?
I smell a clever jape going on here between you and Zman13neo!
Lol! :biggrin.gif:
if you mean joke no not at all, but did you get my mail now?
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Curse PremiumAfter that.... intense? discussion :tongue.gif:
Also catseye, is this supposed to be partly based off the game Myst?
yes I haven'y played the games but I like the style