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Quote from Kahr

Blocks don't have NBT tags, but if you mean tile entities, that is unlikely to be possible since much of that data isn't reliably sent to the client. With jukeboxes for example, only the server knows the actual id of the currently playing record. As far as the client is concerned a jukebox is just a block with a sound effect maybe playing nearby.

I meant things like Block naming. If you name a Dropper or Furnace or whatever, the name is shown in the GUI.

Quote from Alvoria

Would you please be so kind as to write up a tutorial for the rest of us? Please.

Quote from loki_of_sassgard

It wasn't terribly difficult. Misa put up a template, which I seem to have misplaced already. Most of the drama came from just isolating each biome line so the mad colours from the forest biome gradient didn't get mixed up with the others that are nearby. Mine's a bit of a mess, but that's fine, because no-one actually sees this file anyway, unless they go looking for it.

A lot of the biome lines overlap with others. So the rainbowy forest sort of overlaps by about a centimetre with the giant old oak forest, or whatever it's called. The taiga biomes and mega taiga and a few others overlap a bit as well.

What I did was just cut out areas around most of the lines and used separate layers in SAI for each gradient line. I did my whole pack in SAI, because it's the only programme I know how to use. :S

Thanks for the above.

I have all the various experimental MC biome color templates on file that everyone was kind enough to post, including Misa's vertical biome coloring system template, and I largely understand them, even though the range of possible colors and blends is a little mind-boggling. What I don't understand perfectly clearly is what is currently active when MCPatcher is installed? Misa's vertical line template, PCPatcher's old triangle template system for all the old and new biomes, or a mash-up of both, with Mojang's new height/biome triangle system somewhere underneath?

Currently biomes with my pack seems to behave just like they did in 1.6 with some slight differences in some areas and more noticeable changes to how water looks overall, but by and large all the blends happen where they occurred in 1.6 and the shades of color appear where expected with my old MCPatcher biome triangles for things like grass, foliage, sand, gravel and stone, etc.

So what's currently active? If I haven't changed my biome triangles or instructions in my MCPatcher color.properties file, are they overriding the new 1.7 biome/height system?

I was sure kahr mentioned a while back with one of the snapshots that Misa's system was included as a test, or did I just dream that?

I'd be grateful for any summary on how things stand at present. I've been away for the past 24 hours and a lot can happen around here in that time, so if I've missed anything I apologize. However, many thanks in advance to anyone who can make this area a little clearer.

Quote from Glimmar

Thanks for the above.

I have all the various experimental MC biome color templates on file that everyone was kind enough to post, including Misa's vertical biome coloring system template, and I largely understand them, even though the range of possible colors and blends is a little mind-boggling. What I don't understand perfectly clearly is what is currently active when MCPatcher is installed? Misa's vertical line template, PCPatcher's old triangle template system for all the old and new biomes, or a mash-up of both, with Mojang's new height/biome triangle system somewhere underneath?

Currently biomes with my pack seems to behave just like they did in 1.6 with some slight differences in some areas and more noticeable changes to how water looks overall, but by and large all the blends happen where they occurred in 1.6 and the shades of color appear where expected with my old MCPatcher biome triangles for things like grass, foliage, sand, gravel and stone, etc.

So what's currently active? If I haven't changed my biome triangles or instructions in my MCPatcher color.properties file, are they overriding the new 1.7 biome/height system?

I was sure kahr mentioned a while back with one of the snapshots that Misa's system was included as a test, or did I just dream that?

I'd be grateful for any summary on how things stand at present. I've been away for the past 24 hours and a lot can happen around here in that time, so if I've missed anything I apologize. However, many thanks in advance to anyone who can make this area a little clearer.

I was mis-remembering in my previous comment. It wasn't Misa who posted the template, but someone else. This thread explains everything in very good detail: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1968196-new-biome-coloring-system-in-17-discussion/

The existing triangles still work, so long as you've coloured them with a gradient, rather than using the single points from before. If you used the points from Misa's original template, then it won't work at all, and the above thread shows some very odd glitches you'll get if you don't change it.

Yes. It would be wonderful if CTM could be used on chests by removing the custom model and using a default block model.

I think you can do random chests using randomobs; not sure though.

Quote from Rayvolution

Someone was asking me about CTM in a PM a while back, I gave them the same advice to attempt to use RandomMobs on it since chests are technically entities now, although he never got back to me.

I'd be really interested to see if it works. I may attempt it someday in the future and see what happens.

I'm sort of curious too. That's another mod I've not got round to learning yet, but it looks really slick. I've seen it a little bit in DokuCraft, but that's about it, I think.

Quote from loki_of_sassgard

I was mis-remembering in my previous comment. It wasn't Misa who posted the template, but someone else. This thread explains everything in very good detail: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1968196-new-biome-coloring-system-in-17-discussion/

The existing triangles still work, so long as you've coloured them with a gradient, rather than using the single points from before. If you used the points from Misa's original template, then it won't work at all, and the above thread shows some very odd glitches you'll get if you don't change it.

No I'm not talking about Misa's old biome 'point' tringles, I was talking about this:

Quote from Misa

I mentioned this briefly on my texture pack's thread but I should probably mention it here. I've come up with a design for a new, efficient and highly customizable biome palette which I've proposed to Kahr for implementation into MCPatcher. This will be a custom format for MCPatcher which will override Mojang's method, but allow you to still use both methods safely in your pack. If all goes well, I'll be posting an updated template for Mojang's version along with the MCPatcher specific version over here. As a head's up to anyone interested in the mechanics of it, what I proposed works as such:

-The new format should use the same 256x256 png file format with a customizable exception to vertical height.
-The X row of pixels should be for biome ID values (See here.)
-The Y column of pixels should be for relative height. (hence customizable pixel Y resolution.)

Since height can vary from map to map this will not be an absolute pixel-perfect value outside of the default 256-block tall maps. Should the map's height limit change, the palette should be completely adaptable to it, and should you want no height variance, your palette file may need to be a mere 1 pixel tall and 256 pixels wide.

-MCPatcher may have an option to include randomly-generated variance which slides up and down the Y by a specified factor.

A factor of 1 will look at 1 pixel above and below the current pixel designated for that height (3 pixel range), a factor of 2 will have a 5 pixel range, a factor of 3 will have a 7 pixel range and so on. This will be completely adjustable by the end-user only.

-The file should not use the exact same naming format but will be read with priority over Mojang's format, allowing you to mix and match if you need to, as well as provide backwards compatibility.
-The new palettes should be compatible replacements for both official Mojang biome palettes (grasscolor, foliagecolor) and custom MCPatcher-only palettes both created by texture pack artists and things like the sky biome coloring component of Custom Colors.

This is just in the experimental stage and may be scheduled for test implementation once the main, existing features of MCPatcher are once again fully operational. Note that all of this information is subject to change and realize that I'm posting this mainly for educational and feedback purposes.

This system is a bit more complex than Mojang's on paper, but allows for much finer control of every single aspect of biome-based block coloring and will logically make more sense on the artist's end to set up than on Mojang's current format. Basically all of the work will go into choosing your color gradients for each biome without having to worry about merging the height value all to a single point.

The example biome palette system Misa came up with in discussion with kahr, was very small and efficient, all in just one .png file (consisting of a blended set of vertical one-pixel width lines - one line per biome, each pixel from bottom to top of each line representing one block height), rather than lots of separate files. kahr, as far as I can remember, mentioned he'd introduced it as a trial in one of the snapshots, but I can't find which snapshot that was. Also the example pic Misa posted seems to have disappeared off the face of the earth! I have it on my hard drive, so I know it existed. So has this proposal been abandoned now?