Please for the love of god, don't make all the dyed cloth look like colored cloth.
Take advantage of the fact that they are separate on the texture file and make fancy decorative blocks for us to use. just because it is "cloth" doesn't mean the texture has to LOOK like cloth.
You could make the dark gray look like roman/greek columns or make the green look like topiary pieces. etc.
Heck the decoration doesn't even have to make sense color wise, but it just makes it easier if it does.
but please please please don't just make every single cloth block just a colorized version of the white, because that is a waste of potential.
Thank,
Professorlava
P.S. Everyone else please respond to second the idea if you want to see this too.
The problem comes in multiplayer when someone using Eld's or Painterly drops by your house as you're outside marveling at your ionic columns with scrollwork capital blocks, and breaks your heart by saying it looks like a rainbow turd. Unless the pack is made for single player use only, what you build is gonna look stupid to most everyone else.
Personally I like the blocks to make sense, if something is supposed to be dyed cloth I think it should look like it. Not to mention a lot of people base their SMP creations around default textures, so if you deviate too far you'll end up seeing buildings that don't look as intended.
Anyway, thought I'd share some of my reasoning (and probably that of others) behind making dyed wool look like dyed wool. On the other hand I do plan on adding some variation to the colored wools in my pack, in terms of wool patterning & such.
But I guess it depends on the type of texture pack, if someone's making a texture pack like, say, Candycraft, they obviously have more leeway to stray from realism.
The problem comes in multiplayer when someone using Eld's or Painterly drops by your house as you're outside marveling at your ionic columns with scrollwork capital blocks, and breaks your heart by saying it looks like a rainbow turd. Unless the pack is made for single player use only, what you build is gonna look stupid to most everyone else.
1) who's to say those packs wont adopt the idea. 2) What you build already does look like **** to everyone else between packs even tho the items are usually the same. For instance Cobblestone is beautiful in elds, but is shitty in almost every other. THEN there comes personal taste. Some people might LIKE rainbow turds and do it on purpose anyway.
Personally I like the blocks to make sense, if something is supposed to be dyed cloth I think it should look like it. Not to mention a lot of people base their SMP creations around default textures, so if you deviate too far you'll end up seeing buildings that don't look as intended.
Anyway, thought I'd share some of my reasoning (and probably that of others) behind making dyed wool look like dyed wool. On the other hand I do plan on adding some variation to the colored wools in my pack, in terms of wool patterning & such.....
If you stuck to similar colors, it doesn't matter if it is cloth, gray would still be gray green would still be green, that way you understand what they mean to build, and that way you know what looks crazy or not.
Look I'm not saying you have to take it to far, or even use every block, but there is no reason why every colored block needs to be "cloth" like I said, say you make the green one a topiary, it looks nicer but is still green and can be interpreted properly. They don't have to be just useless colored blocks for pixel art, or minimal decoration. If they are carefully textured They could be really enriching. So yeah, ;like you said, they don't have to be completely different things, but there is NO reason that they should just be plain colorized versions of white.
In my current packs' cases, they're designed with pixel art as the highest priority, so the dyed cloth blocks MUST be specifically just a colored cloth.
However, when I begin work on my seventh texture, it's going to be a very distinct redesigning with true textures on them. And I agree - the dyed cloth blocks should be more distinct than just that.
I did think that it wouldn't work in Harvest Moon Craft too well (at most I'll find cloth with different textures), but I DO still need something to replace leaves as weeds, and lime green WOULD be neat...
I'm about to begin crafting these tiles and I'm trying to imagine their possible uses as blocks of wool. How many different uses for colored blocks can you come up with? I'm concerned that 16 tiles of colored wool that will be used for beds, pool tables, carpet etc is a bit much.
I will likely implement various cloth textures initially, but unless I begin to see some really interesting and entertaining uses for primary colored and pastel colored blocks then these may be replaced in future releases with something more interesting.
I really with that Notch would simply release an update that adds another 8 or 16 types of stone, wood and metallic blocks. Diversity is sorely needed and adding 16 colors is great for pixel art sculptors but not particularly good for expanding the variety of constructions in more realistic world types.
Please for the love of god, don't make all the dyed cloth look like colored cloth.
Take advantage of the fact that they are separate on the texture file and make fancy decorative blocks for us to use. just because it is "cloth" doesn't mean the texture has to LOOK like cloth.
You could make the dark gray look like roman/greek columns or make the green look like topiary pieces. etc.
Heck the decoration doesn't even have to make sense color wise, but it just makes it easier if it does.
but please please please don't just make every single cloth block just a colorized version of the white, because that is a waste of potential.
Thank,
Professorlava
P.S. Everyone else please respond to second the idea if you want to see this too.
It's funny you should make this topic, as I was just now creating a texture pack that does this very thing!
As for all the naysayers, I plan to still have them be colored blocks that make sense with how you made them, but they wouldn't all be cloth. For instance, making blue cloth could produce some red colored wooden planks for making a red barn. Green cloth could produce a bed of clovers.
As for pixel art, it would likely be far enough away that you couldn't even notice the little details, but up close would be a lot better than just an orange block with a noise filter on it.
Yeah, and why not make gravel look like a rainbow block? I mean its not like anyones uses gravel anyway, right?
I'm being sarcastic... The point of colored cloth is to be colored cloth, not be something that looks "cooler"
I don't think he ever suggested that. Or even making any colored blocks the opposite of their actual colors. Maybe hinted at it, but the plan, as I understand it, is to make the colored cloth blocks have different designs, while still being colored.
Like for instance, make the light gray block still light gray, but have the design of a Grecian artifact, or something.
While it may not be the "point" of colored cloth blocks to be cooler, that doesn't mean it's a totally good idea to do that.
I regged specifically to support the notion this thread puts forward. Hell I don't even care if the colors don't match, I don't play online and if I did I'd probably just use the default pack. It wouldn't make any more or less sense than anything else in minecraft, and it would free up a huge amount of design space when working in single player.
I definatly understand the concern with making them different. But there are some brilliant artists out there who could make it work. I am not one of them, however, so I wanted to put it out there for those who are.
I will be doing this anyway even if it's modifying a texture myself, but the best I can do for modification is mix and match blocks. I'm defiantly looking forward to getting some good blocks to spruce up the textures and if people make them specifically to be a color block then chances are they will look even better!
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who sees the potential! Im looking forward to see what textures you fine artists will come up with.
This would be amazing for my single player game. If creators are interested in doing something like this, I suggest offering two packages - a multiplayer-friendly version with plain dyed cloth textures, and then a secondary one for single player games, where you can design new blocks to your heart's content.
I'd use something like this in a heartbeat, provided I liked the offered textures!
This would be amazing for my single player game. If creators are interested in doing something like this, I suggest offering two packages - a multiplayer-friendly version with plain dyed cloth textures, and then a secondary one for single player games, where you can design new blocks to your heart's content.
I'd use something like this in a heartbeat, provided I liked the offered textures!
That's all well and good for most texture packs, but if you're maintaining 4 resolutions of a pack already this is impractical. Decisions must be made.
I'm not sure who I agree with in this debate. Both arguments are valid. I've already converted wool to slate flagstone flooring in a previous release and, while I took some heat for it, I really liked the result. Sheep were indifferent to it.
Please for the love of god, don't make all the dyed cloth look like colored cloth.
Take advantage of the fact that they are separate on the texture file and make fancy decorative blocks for us to use. just because it is "cloth" doesn't mean the texture has to LOOK like cloth.
You could make the dark gray look like roman/greek columns or make the green look like topiary pieces. etc.
Heck the decoration doesn't even have to make sense color wise, but it just makes it easier if it does.
but please please please don't just make every single cloth block just a colorized version of the white, because that is a waste of potential.
Thank,
Professorlava
P.S. Everyone else please respond to second the idea if you want to see this too.
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Curse PremiumAnyway, thought I'd share some of my reasoning (and probably that of others) behind making dyed wool look like dyed wool. On the other hand I do plan on adding some variation to the colored wools in my pack, in terms of wool patterning & such.
But I guess it depends on the type of texture pack, if someone's making a texture pack like, say, Candycraft, they obviously have more leeway to stray from realism.
1) who's to say those packs wont adopt the idea. 2) What you build already does look like **** to everyone else between packs even tho the items are usually the same. For instance Cobblestone is beautiful in elds, but is shitty in almost every other. THEN there comes personal taste. Some people might LIKE rainbow turds and do it on purpose anyway.
If you stuck to similar colors, it doesn't matter if it is cloth, gray would still be gray green would still be green, that way you understand what they mean to build, and that way you know what looks crazy or not.
Look I'm not saying you have to take it to far, or even use every block, but there is no reason why every colored block needs to be "cloth" like I said, say you make the green one a topiary, it looks nicer but is still green and can be interpreted properly. They don't have to be just useless colored blocks for pixel art, or minimal decoration. If they are carefully textured They could be really enriching. So yeah, ;like you said, they don't have to be completely different things, but there is NO reason that they should just be plain colorized versions of white.
However, when I begin work on my seventh texture, it's going to be a very distinct redesigning with true textures on them. And I agree - the dyed cloth blocks should be more distinct than just that.
But, I'm all for getting more creative than wool texture + color overlay.
Like checkered / quilt cloth, pirate skull & crossbones, stripes, patterns.
Here, if anyone wants to use it:
I will likely implement various cloth textures initially, but unless I begin to see some really interesting and entertaining uses for primary colored and pastel colored blocks then these may be replaced in future releases with something more interesting.
I really with that Notch would simply release an update that adds another 8 or 16 types of stone, wood and metallic blocks. Diversity is sorely needed and adding 16 colors is great for pixel art sculptors but not particularly good for expanding the variety of constructions in more realistic world types.
It's funny you should make this topic, as I was just now creating a texture pack that does this very thing!
As for all the naysayers, I plan to still have them be colored blocks that make sense with how you made them, but they wouldn't all be cloth. For instance, making blue cloth could produce some red colored wooden planks for making a red barn. Green cloth could produce a bed of clovers.
As for pixel art, it would likely be far enough away that you couldn't even notice the little details, but up close would be a lot better than just an orange block with a noise filter on it.
I'm being sarcastic... The point of colored cloth is to be colored cloth, not be something that looks "cooler"
I don't think he ever suggested that. Or even making any colored blocks the opposite of their actual colors. Maybe hinted at it, but the plan, as I understand it, is to make the colored cloth blocks have different designs, while still being colored.
Like for instance, make the light gray block still light gray, but have the design of a Grecian artifact, or something.
While it may not be the "point" of colored cloth blocks to be cooler, that doesn't mean it's a totally good idea to do that.
Actually dude, that's a great idea. And I've done exactly that. Made gravel into a rainbow cloth block xD
Here's the terrain.png incase anyone want's it;
I know it's horrible, feel free to edit it to your heart's content. ;]
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Curse PremiumYou'll be seeing this in my next few updates, for both packs. :smile.gif:
Thank you for saying something.
I will be doing this anyway even if it's modifying a texture myself, but the best I can do for modification is mix and match blocks. I'm defiantly looking forward to getting some good blocks to spruce up the textures and if people make them specifically to be a color block then chances are they will look even better!
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who sees the potential! Im looking forward to see what textures you fine artists will come up with.
I'd use something like this in a heartbeat, provided I liked the offered textures!
That's all well and good for most texture packs, but if you're maintaining 4 resolutions of a pack already this is impractical. Decisions must be made.
I'm not sure who I agree with in this debate. Both arguments are valid. I've already converted wool to slate flagstone flooring in a previous release and, while I took some heat for it, I really liked the result. Sheep were indifferent to it.