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Kompy_87 I didn't read the latest forum posts, but, I think I've answered your request, I've added 2 new config options, one for toggling thistle completely, and one for toggling just the world gen aspect of it. Just like before, you can pick up the latest build in the github pr :3

An idea was uttered in the irc about adding a thistle seed and possilbly ax-ing thistle worldgen. (Mostly me crying about thistle bringing nothing but pain).

I'll open the discussion, if you (the users) believe that we should add a Thistle Seed item, and disable worldgen (or remove it).

That being said, I now I have to find someone to enslave, ask for a new texture

Thistle seed texture idea:

Quote from Snipe13051»

Question.. for what we need the "Thistle"? My whole place is overgrown with that plant.

Thistle isn't "needed" for anything. It "can be" used as an alternate method of making Rennet, but that's what Baby Cow's Stomaches are for. Technically speaking, Thistle Rennet isn't used for making any of the Cheeses in the mod, in real life anyway, so it's miseducating in that way. I recommend disabling it in the config file.

Thistle rennet can be used instead of stomach rennet in any of the cheese recipes. This was added in as an alternative to having to wait for the cool down time for breeding cows thus making the cheese elements to Growthcraft Milk being more accessible/obtainable.

In real life, thistle is an ingredient for making Vegetable Rennet, which is commonly used when making vegetarian cheeses. Vegetable Rennet can make any of cheeses that it is used for in the mod, including cheddar. In order to offset the bitter that can be produced, in real life, skim milk is used instead.

Long story short, Growthcraft 2.6.2 will fix the world gen. We are actually making a legit crop that can be grown from a seed instead of finding it in a field and replanting it and you'll be able to control when and when it shows up.

Quote from Alatyami»

Thistle rennet can be used instead of stomach rennet in any of the cheese recipes. This was added in as an alternative to having to wait for the cool down time for breeding cows thus making the cheese elements to Growthcraft Milk being more accessible/obtainable.

In real life, thistle is an ingredient for making Vegetable Rennet, which is commonly used when making vegetarian cheeses. Vegetable Rennet can make any of cheeses that it is used for in the mod, including cheddar. In order to offset the bitter that can be produced, in real life, skim milk is used instead.

Long story short, Growthcraft 2.6.2 will fix the world gen. We are actually making a legit crop that can be grown from a seed instead of finding it in a field and replanting it and you'll be able to control when and when it shows up.

I'm the guy that designed the Milk Module. That is NOT why Thistle Rennet was added.

I've found an overwhelming amount of information that says people "don't" use Thistle Rennet in Cow's Milk based Cheeses. That's not to say you "can't". I can use Refined Baking Sugar to sweeten my Coffee if I "wanted to", but nobody does that. That is to say "it's a really bad idea, and there's a good reason people don't do it"

I can appreciate that you don't want to un-code Thistle because it presents an annoyance for worlds/servers that have already used the mod and the blocks and items are present... but at the end of the day, the reason we're not removing it because it's a pain-in-the-butt to remove it. You're defending it because you like it, not because you you added it.

Everything I've researched since people have started complaining about Thistles has indicated to me to that it simply is NOT commonly used in cheesemaking... PERIOD. For the few cheesemakers that do use Thistle Rennet... it is even LESS COMMON for them to use it in Cow's Milk based cheeses.

Here's just a quick smattering of results from Google. I'm not even trying to hard to scavenge for this information. It's right there in the top results when you google "Thistle Rennet".


"Thistle rennet should only be used for sheep or goat milk"
http://www.culturesforhealth.com/learn/cheese/make-thistle-rennet-cheesemaking/

"... thistle is unsuitable for coagulating cow's milk, as it renders the final cheese unpalatably bitter..."
http://www.seriouseats.com/2010/01/serious-cheese-creamy-thistle-rennet-cheeses.html

"But, purple thistle rennet can only be used with goat’s or sheep’s milk."
http://makingoursustainablelife.com/vegetable-rennet

"this causes excessive acidity, bitterness, and potential texture defects in the cheese, thereby limiting their use."
https://cultivationofacheesemonger.wordpress.com/2013/11/05/vegetable-rennet-cardoon-thistle/

"Thistle based rennet produces a bitter flavor if used with cow milk if the cheese is not eaten within a few days. This is because unlike traditional rennet enzymes"
http://www.artisancheesemakingathome.com/creatingcheese-morecheeses.html

"Thistle rennet was one method used in the middle ages to set a curd in milk when animal rennet was not available."
http://medievalcheese.blogspot.ca/2012/06/thistle-rennet.html

Quote from Snipe13051»

Ok thanks for the response. Where i can deactivate thistle?

Quote from PitchBright»

Thistle isn't "needed" for anything. It "can be" used as an alternate method of making Rennet, but that's what Baby Cow's Stomaches are for. Technically speaking, Thistle Rennet isn't used for making any of the Cheeses in the mod, in real life anyway, so it's miseducating in that way. I recommend disabling it in the config file.

Quote from Snipe13051»

I don't find the config file for thistle deactivating... i don't ask without a reason PitchBright :-/

In the milk config there is no thistle deactivating. And there is no growthcraft.cfg

I also checked all config files with word search "Thistle" nothing was found.

The most recent version of the mod, has the option to disable it. There's a folder called "growthcraft" in your config folder... so I'm not sure how you don't see that there, even if you're on a version that is a little outdated.

Hello, I believe Pitch and Alaty has covered most of the topics, for those who would like to help test the 2.6.2 release (please test...)

You can pick up the release builds on our github https://github.com/GrowthcraftCE/Growthcraft-1.7/pull/386

I always open a new PR with preview builds, so stay tuned or check our build history if you're interested in older test builds.

The latest build includes several new config options for Thistle, Thistle's World Gen is now DISABLED by default, if you've been using the preview builds all along and wish to be rid of Thistle spreading like wildfire on a hot summer day, please promptly disable the config option, if you don't like, care about thistle, please disable it completely with the provided config options.

Both options can be found in your minecraft config directory as growthcraft/milk.conf (for windows users swap / for \)

thistle {
    # Is thistle (the item, block, recipes etc) available?; Default : true
    B:"Enable Thistle?"=true

...

"thistle/world gen" {
    # Can thistle spawn in the world?; Default : false
    B:"Enable Thistle World Gen?"=false

NOTE These options are currently ONLY available in the 2.6.2 test builds (still labelled as 2.6.1, don't sweat the small details)

Quote from Snipe13051»

# Configuration file

"booze/kumis" {
# What color is kumis?; Default : 16777215
I:Color=16777215
}

"booze/poisoned kumis" {
# What color is poisoned kumis?; Default : 8362597
I:Color=8362597
}

cheese {
# How long does it take for cheese to age?; Default : 1200
I:"Aging Time"=1200

# How many items are present in a cheese block slice?; Default : 8
I:"Item per Block Slice"=8

# How many bowls are used in the ricotta recipe?; Default : 4
I:"Ricotta Bowl Count"=4

# How many slices are present in a cheese block?; Default : 8
I:Slices=8
}

debug {
# Should Growthcraft log all its activity for debugging purposes?; Default : false
B:"Enable Debugging"=false
}

"device/cheese press" {
# Can the press operate via user interaction?; Default : true
B:"Hand Operated"=true

# Can the press operate via redstone?; Default : true
B:"Redstone Operated"=true
}

"device/cheese vat" {
# How long does it take to change curds to cheese?; Default : 2400
I:"Cheese Transition Time"=2400

# How long does it take to change milk to curds?; Default : 2400
I:"Curd Transition Time"=2400

# How much Whey is produced when transitioning from Milk to Curds?; Default : 1000
I:"Milk To Curds Whey Amount"=1000

# How much fluid does the primary tank hold? (the tank with Milk); Default : 5000
I:"Primary Tank Capacity"=5000

# How much fluid does the recipe tank hold? (the tank with any recipe related fluid); Default : 1000
I:"Recipe Tank Capacity"=1000

# How much fluid does the rennet tank hold? (the tank with Rennet obviously); Default : 333
I:"Rennet Tank Capacity"=333

# How much fluid does the waste tank hold? (the tank with whey); Default : 1000
I:"Waste Tank Capacity"=1000

# How much Whey is produced when transitioning from Whey to Ricotta?; Default : 1000
I:"Whey To Ricotta Whey Amount"=1000

# How long does it take to change whey to ricotta?; Default : 2400
I:"Whey Transition Time"=2400
}

integration {
# Should we integrate with Mine Factory Reloaded (if available)?; Default : true
B:"Enable MFR Integration"=true

# Should we integrate with Thaumcraft (if available)?; Default : true
B:"Enable Thaumcraft Integration"=true

# Should we integrate with Waila (if available)?; Default : true
B:"Enable Waila Integration"=true
}

"item/stomach" {
# How often do baby calves drop their stomachs?; Default : 0.25
D:"Drop Rate"=0.25

# What is the maximum number of stomachs dropped?; Default : 4
I:"Max Dropped"=4

# What is the minimum number of stomachs dropped?; Default : 2
I:"Min Dropped"=2
}

milk {
# What color is milk?; Default : 16777215
I:Color=16777215

# Should we enable a fluid for Milk? (you may bork the mod if you don't have an alternative, eg. Forestry's Milk); Default : true
B:Enabled=true

# Should Skim Milk, Butter Milk have extra effects?; Default : false
B:"Fantasy Milk Effects"=false
}

thistle {
# How quickly does thistle spread? [Higher -> Slower]; Default : 20
I:"Spread Chance"=20
}

"thistle/world gen" {
# Separate the IDs with ';' (without the quote marks); Default : 3;20;34
S:"Biome IDs"=3;20;34

# Separate the TYPEs with ',' (without the quote marks)
# Separate batches with ';' (without the quote marks)
# ; Default : +MOUNTAIN;+HILLS,-SNOWY,-COLD
S:"Biome Types"=+MOUNTAIN;+HILLS,-SNOWY,-COLD

# ; Default : true
B:"Enable Biome Dictionary compatability?"=true

# What is the maximum number of thistle spawned in a chunk?; Default : 10
I:"Generate Amount"=10
}

That is my milk.cfg there is no option what is called: turn off thistle spawn.

Or i'm blind like hell!?

S:"Biome Types"=+MOUNTAIN;+HILLS,-SNOWY,-COLD

# ; Default : true

This is the only part what maybe could it. But the declaration could be much better if this is the solution (to set Default: false)?!

You need to use the latest version of the mod. IceDragon provided a link.

Quote from TEM187»

Hey when Agricraft is installed it is impossible to create the bamboo blocks; they instead make crop sticks. Any way to fix this? I'm running 1.7.10.

You can use Minetweaker to change the recipe if you want.

Quote from TEM187»

Okay thank you! :-)

You're welcome