If you are those "tl;dr" types of people, first off your annoying as all hell go die in a fire, and second, just for you, heres a short version of what this says.
1. we have many good mods, but their owners suck and are too stupid to spend 2 minutes to add their mods to programs such as forge and others that would make them compatible with all other forge mods, and make it easier for us players to make them compatible our selves (thanks to things such as CONFIG files.)
2. Mojang is very much a big blame for this, instead of making modding easier, more compatible, and simplistic, they still force us to use programs such as modloader to load our mods, and force us to delete META-INF from their game in order to play said mods. Mojang could easily fix this if they updated minecraft to make modding better, but for some reason they rather add large ugly jungle biomes, and update every week to break our mods.
3. Minecraft is nothing without mods. Lets face it, thats the reason why we like the game so much, mods. Vanilla is fun for about 2 seconds, maybe a day of playing and you can say "hey, nifty" but thats it. Modding is what makes the game, its the butter for the bread, the alcohol for the wine, the meatballs to the sandwich. But many major mod creators, and mojang, refuse to actually HELP us out. We have compatibility issues up the wazoo, and they just don't seem to care. mod creators could spend a couple extra minutes to make their mods compatible by adding their mod to such collectives as API Forge, but refuse to do so, why? Idk I think their just too stupid to do so, at any rate, I for one am tired of my game always breaking, when someone with the intelligence could have prevented this, but are too lazy to do so. Mojang, could have easily fixed these problems, but to this day modding feels like bashing a rock on another rock to make sparks. Its primitive, and for something that makes their game 10x better, I am shocked that they haven't focused more on making mods easier, and addressing compatibility issues caused by their poor modding system.
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The following below is a longer rant depicting the above. It is highly emotional as I have just spent another whole freaking day modding my game, only to have it break, and being forced to completely wipe my game of all mods, progress, saves, etc... Because some jerk didn't want to take the time to make his mod compatible. And because of mojang... You know why, I already listed it above. You anger me... Very much so.
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This game should be fun. The ultimate sandbox with ultimate modding capabilities... Or atleast that is what I was told, and believed, for some time atleast.
I see all these great mods, that can turn minecraft into a good game, a fun entertaining and huge game that its supposed to be... And then I spend days bashing my head into any solid object near me, screaming at the top of my lungs, and wishing god would just shoot me in the head to end my suffering that I have endured from minecraft mods.
I see all these people, making mods to help solve compatibility issues, urging all the mod makers to join the band wagon and add a few lines of code to their mod that would essentially enable universal compatibility with all the other mods that have already joined up... I even seen some of them post saying "hey, give me permission and i,ll code it for you so you don't have to do any work to make your mod use our api thing that will make your mod compatible with everyone else." ... and yet... They don't. Do you feel special? That god himself kissed your mod, baptized it in holy water and wrote commandments stating that you are allowed to be ignorant and not give a damn about compatibility with other mods? That your mod is so special you can't even be bothered to send it to someone willing to do the work for you? Lets face it, you could care less if the players enjoy it, you just want those dollars from fools clicking your link, only to realize they can't even use your mod, they have to give up all the other mods just to play yours... So their left with nothing but wasted time, and you gain another cent off their idiotic click.
And what of you mojang? You constantly give us more updates, but to what end? Great, in exchange more breaking all the mods I had, now the majority of my world is ugly jungle. Thanks I guess? Lets face it, mods -ARE- minecraft, so instead of another pointless update that ruins everything for us, how about a little help in the modding department? You could make our lives so much easier by properly supporting mods like you should have been all this time. But still to this day we have to use modloader, a program created by a player to load up mods, and we still have to dig into your stupid files and delete META-INF, to get our mods to work.. You could improve minecraft 10x as much if you just made modding easier to do. Give us something that FORCES compatibility. Something more simplistic and less complicated than a bunch of stupid files with encrypted names. Gee, what could be breaking my game now? is it aaa, aac, aab, rtf, eht, BLAH BLAH BLAH. Do you know why there are so many mods for this game? Because its boring without them! And yet to this day you, mojang, still force us to delete meta-inf, to use modloader and other crap like that to do something that -YOU- should have done in the first place. I have to spend an entire freaking day playing "install the mods and pray to god complications don't occur" but they do, they always do, because you didn't build a proper modding system for this game which is SOOOOO heavily dependent upon modding. So then I get to spend about 4 hours per complication, but thats only if a mod has complications with only 1 other mod. So pretty much multiply 4 hours by however many mods said mod is having complications with. And then I get to spend my lovely lovely time trying to find a fix for it. Is it a block id complication? Is it a file complication? Is it a entity id complication? Because god forbid we have a proper error log that just points to whats wrong, NOOOO we have to have an error log that looks like fing programming applications, because clearly I didn't flunk C, C+, java, pascal, and all other languages because their editors SUCK, or that some of the teachers had accents so heavy it sounded like they were assaulting the American language....
This isn't a game anymore... its a nightmare, a mass of code that if a programming teacher saw, they would ask you to just throw it away and start fresh. We have so many good mods out there... But why in the hell are their owners ignorant idiots who don't want to spend an extra 2 minutes to MAKE THEIR MODS COMPATIBLE!?!?.... end rant.
You wasted your time typing out that essay because nobody is going to give a damn about your ignorant opinion. If modders choose to not make their mod compatible with forge it's very rarely an issue of laziness but simply an impossibility. It's just god damn impossible to make most complex mods compatible and if you knew anything about mods you would know that.
And hey, I have something that's going to kill most of your argument. Mojang is working on the mod API. Surprise.
If you are those "tl;dr" types of people, first off your annoying as all hell go die in a fire, and second, just for you, heres a short version of what this says.
1. we have many good mods, but their owners suck and are too stupid to spend 2 minutes to add their mods to programs such as forge and others that would make them compatible with all other forge mods, and make it easier for us players to make them compatible our selves (thanks to things such as CONFIG files.)
2. Mojang is very much a big blame for this, instead of making modding easier, more compatible, and simplistic, they still force us to use programs such as modloader to load our mods, and force us to delete META-INF from their game in order to play said mods. Mojang could easily fix this if they updated minecraft to make modding better, but for some reason they rather add large ugly jungle biomes, and update every week to break our mods.
3. Minecraft is nothing without mods. Lets face it, thats the reason why we like the game so much, mods. Vanilla is fun for about 2 seconds, maybe a day of playing and you can say "hey, nifty" but thats it. Modding is what makes the game, its the butter for the bread, the alcohol for the wine, the meatballs to the sandwich. But many major mod creators, and mojang, refuse to actually HELP us out. We have compatibility issues up the wazoo, and they just don't seem to care. mod creators could spend a couple extra minutes to make their mods compatible by adding their mod to such collectives as API Forge, but refuse to do so, why? Idk I think their just too stupid to do so, at any rate, I for one am tired of my game always breaking, when someone with the intelligence could have prevented this, but are too lazy to do so. Mojang, could have easily fixed these problems, but to this day modding feels like bashing a rock on another rock to make sparks. Its primitive, and for something that makes their game 10x better, I am shocked that they haven't focused more on making mods easier, and addressing compatibility issues caused by their poor modding system.
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The following below is a longer rant depicting the above. It is highly emotional as I have just spent another whole freaking day modding my game, only to have it break, and being forced to completely wipe my game of all mods, progress, saves, etc... Because some jerk didn't want to take the time to make his mod compatible. And because of mojang... You know why, I already listed it above. You anger me... Very much so.
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This game should be fun. The ultimate sandbox with ultimate modding capabilities... Or atleast that is what I was told, and believed, for some time atleast.
I see all these great mods, that can turn minecraft into a good game, a fun entertaining and huge game that its supposed to be... And then I spend days bashing my head into any solid object near me, screaming at the top of my lungs, and wishing god would just shoot me in the head to end my suffering that I have endured from minecraft mods.
I see all these people, making mods to help solve compatibility issues, urging all the mod makers to join the band wagon and add a few lines of code to their mod that would essentially enable universal compatibility with all the other mods that have already joined up... I even seen some of them post saying "hey, give me permission and i,ll code it for you so you don't have to do any work to make your mod use our api thing that will make your mod compatible with everyone else." ... and yet... They don't. Do you feel special? That god himself kissed your mod, baptized it in holy water and wrote commandments stating that you are allowed to be ignorant and not give a damn about compatibility with other mods? That your mod is so special you can't even be bothered to send it to someone willing to do the work for you? Lets face it, you could care less if the players enjoy it, you just want those dollars from fools clicking your link, only to realize they can't even use your mod, they have to give up all the other mods just to play yours... So their left with nothing but wasted time, and you gain another cent off their idiotic click.
And what of you mojang? You constantly give us more updates, but to what end? Great, in exchange more breaking all the mods I had, now the majority of my world is ugly jungle. Thanks I guess? Lets face it, mods -ARE- minecraft, so instead of another pointless update that ruins everything for us, how about a little help in the modding department? You could make our lives so much easier by properly supporting mods like you should have been all this time. But still to this day we have to use modloader, a program created by a player to load up mods, and we still have to dig into your stupid files and delete META-INF, to get our mods to work.. You could improve minecraft 10x as much if you just made modding easier to do. Give us something that FORCES compatibility. Something more simplistic and less complicated than a bunch of stupid files with encrypted names. Gee, what could be breaking my game now? is it aaa, aac, aab, rtf, eht, BLAH BLAH BLAH. Do you know why there are so many mods for this game? Because its boring without them! And yet to this day you, mojang, still force us to delete meta-inf, to use modloader and other crap like that to do something that -YOU- should have done in the first place. I have to spend an entire freaking day playing "install the mods and pray to god complications don't occur" but they do, they always do, because you didn't build a proper modding system for this game which is SOOOOO heavily dependent upon modding. So then I get to spend about 4 hours per complication, but thats only if a mod has complications with only 1 other mod. So pretty much multiply 4 hours by however many mods said mod is having complications with. And then I get to spend my lovely lovely time trying to find a fix for it. Is it a block id complication? Is it a file complication? Is it a entity id complication? Because god forbid we have a proper error log that just points to whats wrong, NOOOO we have to have an error log that looks like fing programming applications, because clearly I didn't flunk C, C+, java, pascal, and all other languages because their editors SUCK, or that some of the teachers had accents so heavy it sounded like they were assaulting the American language....
This isn't a game anymore... its a nightmare, a mass of code that if a programming teacher saw, they would ask you to just throw it away and start fresh. We have so many good mods out there... But why in the hell are their owners ignorant idiots who don't want to spend an extra 2 minutes to MAKE THEIR MODS COMPATIBLE!?!?.... end rant.
1. It's not that simple to make a mod compatible, but depends on what mod.
2. The thing which breaks the mod is called "Obfuscation". it's used to make cracking the game harder.
3. Forge api isnt THAT documented and it doesnt take 2 minutes to update to it. Remember, is a BIG API with a ton of features, so it might atleast take from 1 week to 1 month to learn the API.
Also about mc breaking mods, just wait till the mod updates
now now don't go biting my head off. Some of you are taking this a wee bit personal... Wonder why
no but seriously, yes I know how hard it is to mod, but this is aimed at the mod creators who absolutely refuse any notion on making compatibility. The ones who state. "Stop complaining, stop asking, i don't care, no one is allowed to touch my mod and will ever be granted permission" The people who absolutely refuse to give up the source to people who are willing to do ALL the work to make it compatible.
And those of you saying its a hard process to do to make their mod work with forge? As I stated in that long post, which I doubt you read else you would have noticed this little bit. "Eloraam, has posted on the very first page, that if given permission and access to the code, eloraam would do all the work for you."
edit: Also, I am not complaining just to be a pain. I am just tired of the system we currently have for modding. It should never have been like this, from the start we should have been given a far superior modding system than the one we still have now. If we were given adequate modding systems, compatibility issues would be a thing of the past. And are you seriously telling me your fine with the way it is right now? Cause I don't just want 1 big mod. I want most of them. I want to run build craft, industrial craft, thaum craft, millienaire, mo creatures, extrabiomesxl, aether, mystcraft, just to name a few. What a nice feeling it would be if I could just download all of those, click a button, and have it all work perfectly. And if theres a complication, I would absolutely love it if it told me which files are causing the problem and then being able to simply open them both up, merge the two together, and then get back on to the game.. But its not that simple, it -could- be that simple, but for some reason it wasn't a priority to them. So instead of we have use programs to decompile the base files, we have obfuscation, and just a whole bunch of other crap that just makes it soooo difficult to even fix mod complications.
I just want to make minecraft more fun. But I can't... Because there are complications. I could handle those complications, but the majority of people don't give out the source code. So if, for example, xd.class was being used by two mods, I can't just open em both up, merge the information together into one xd.class, and then get the game working... And I can't decompile the .class files... because I don't know what to merge. Because its heavily, heavily, obfuscated... And you guys won't do it, because you don't care.
but you won't give out the source so I can do it, which doesn't make sense, because I am offering to do the work... Which brings me back to my point. Even if they didn't have to do any of the work, they still refuse, for god knows why.
Yes... my ranting is quite hard to understand... There are many things irking me, but as a whole, its simply this...
I want to enhance the game with everything possible. But there are conflictions. The authors don't want to fix them, because it involves their mod and someone elses. I would fix them, but the authors don't want to give me the source code so I can fix them. I am angry about this, because this requires 0 work on their part, and with the rules in place, they shouldn't fear giving up their source code, because people get banned and their mod removed if they do try to steal someones mod. So you can't really hide behind the whole "Its alot of work" excuse when someone else is saying they will do ALL the work required if you just hand them the files. I could make my minecraft super crazy if I could fix the conflicting files. But unfortunately, alot of authors refuse to give you the files even for that reason.
1. we have many good mods, but their owners suck and are too stupid to spend 2 minutes to add their mods to programs such as forge and others that would make them compatible with all other forge mods, and make it easier for us players to make them compatible our selves (thanks to things such as CONFIG files.)
2. Mojang is very much a big blame for this, instead of making modding easier, more compatible, and simplistic, they still force us to use programs such as modloader to load our mods, and force us to delete META-INF from their game in order to play said mods. Mojang could easily fix this if they updated minecraft to make modding better, but for some reason they rather add large ugly jungle biomes, and update every week to break our mods.
3. Minecraft is nothing without mods. Lets face it, thats the reason why we like the game so much, mods. Vanilla is fun for about 2 seconds, maybe a day of playing and you can say "hey, nifty" but thats it. Modding is what makes the game, its the butter for the bread, the alcohol for the wine, the meatballs to the sandwich. But many major mod creators, and mojang, refuse to actually HELP us out. We have compatibility issues up the wazoo, and they just don't seem to care. mod creators could spend a couple extra minutes to make their mods compatible by adding their mod to such collectives as API Forge, but refuse to do so, why? Idk I think their just too stupid to do so, at any rate, I for one am tired of my game always breaking, when someone with the intelligence could have prevented this, but are too lazy to do so. Mojang, could have easily fixed these problems, but to this day modding feels like bashing a rock on another rock to make sparks. Its primitive, and for something that makes their game 10x better, I am shocked that they haven't focused more on making mods easier, and addressing compatibility issues caused by their poor modding system.
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The following below is a longer rant depicting the above. It is highly emotional as I have just spent another whole freaking day modding my game, only to have it break, and being forced to completely wipe my game of all mods, progress, saves, etc... Because some jerk didn't want to take the time to make his mod compatible. And because of mojang... You know why, I already listed it above. You anger me... Very much so.
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This game should be fun. The ultimate sandbox with ultimate modding capabilities... Or atleast that is what I was told, and believed, for some time atleast.
I see all these great mods, that can turn minecraft into a good game, a fun entertaining and huge game that its supposed to be... And then I spend days bashing my head into any solid object near me, screaming at the top of my lungs, and wishing god would just shoot me in the head to end my suffering that I have endured from minecraft mods.
I see all these people, making mods to help solve compatibility issues, urging all the mod makers to join the band wagon and add a few lines of code to their mod that would essentially enable universal compatibility with all the other mods that have already joined up... I even seen some of them post saying "hey, give me permission and i,ll code it for you so you don't have to do any work to make your mod use our api thing that will make your mod compatible with everyone else." ... and yet... They don't. Do you feel special? That god himself kissed your mod, baptized it in holy water and wrote commandments stating that you are allowed to be ignorant and not give a damn about compatibility with other mods? That your mod is so special you can't even be bothered to send it to someone willing to do the work for you? Lets face it, you could care less if the players enjoy it, you just want those dollars from fools clicking your link, only to realize they can't even use your mod, they have to give up all the other mods just to play yours... So their left with nothing but wasted time, and you gain another cent off their idiotic click.
And what of you mojang? You constantly give us more updates, but to what end? Great, in exchange more breaking all the mods I had, now the majority of my world is ugly jungle. Thanks I guess? Lets face it, mods -ARE- minecraft, so instead of another pointless update that ruins everything for us, how about a little help in the modding department? You could make our lives so much easier by properly supporting mods like you should have been all this time. But still to this day we have to use modloader, a program created by a player to load up mods, and we still have to dig into your stupid files and delete META-INF, to get our mods to work.. You could improve minecraft 10x as much if you just made modding easier to do. Give us something that FORCES compatibility. Something more simplistic and less complicated than a bunch of stupid files with encrypted names. Gee, what could be breaking my game now? is it aaa, aac, aab, rtf, eht, BLAH BLAH BLAH. Do you know why there are so many mods for this game? Because its boring without them! And yet to this day you, mojang, still force us to delete meta-inf, to use modloader and other crap like that to do something that -YOU- should have done in the first place. I have to spend an entire freaking day playing "install the mods and pray to god complications don't occur" but they do, they always do, because you didn't build a proper modding system for this game which is SOOOOO heavily dependent upon modding. So then I get to spend about 4 hours per complication, but thats only if a mod has complications with only 1 other mod. So pretty much multiply 4 hours by however many mods said mod is having complications with. And then I get to spend my lovely lovely time trying to find a fix for it. Is it a block id complication? Is it a file complication? Is it a entity id complication? Because god forbid we have a proper error log that just points to whats wrong, NOOOO we have to have an error log that looks like fing programming applications, because clearly I didn't flunk C, C+, java, pascal, and all other languages because their editors SUCK, or that some of the teachers had accents so heavy it sounded like they were assaulting the American language....
This isn't a game anymore... its a nightmare, a mass of code that if a programming teacher saw, they would ask you to just throw it away and start fresh. We have so many good mods out there... But why in the hell are their owners ignorant idiots who don't want to spend an extra 2 minutes to MAKE THEIR MODS COMPATIBLE!?!?.... end rant.
You wasted your time typing out that essay because nobody is going to give a damn about your ignorant opinion. If modders choose to not make their mod compatible with forge it's very rarely an issue of laziness but simply an impossibility. It's just god damn impossible to make most complex mods compatible and if you knew anything about mods you would know that.
And hey, I have something that's going to kill most of your argument. Mojang is working on the mod API. Surprise.
1. It's not that simple to make a mod compatible, but depends on what mod.
2. The thing which breaks the mod is called "Obfuscation". it's used to make cracking the game harder.
3. Forge api isnt THAT documented and it doesnt take 2 minutes to update to it. Remember, is a BIG API with a ton of features, so it might atleast take from 1 week to 1 month to learn the API.
Also about mc breaking mods, just wait till the mod updates
no but seriously, yes I know how hard it is to mod, but this is aimed at the mod creators who absolutely refuse any notion on making compatibility. The ones who state. "Stop complaining, stop asking, i don't care, no one is allowed to touch my mod and will ever be granted permission" The people who absolutely refuse to give up the source to people who are willing to do ALL the work to make it compatible.
And those of you saying its a hard process to do to make their mod work with forge? As I stated in that long post, which I doubt you read else you would have noticed this little bit. "Eloraam, has posted on the very first page, that if given permission and access to the code, eloraam would do all the work for you."
edit: Also, I am not complaining just to be a pain. I am just tired of the system we currently have for modding. It should never have been like this, from the start we should have been given a far superior modding system than the one we still have now. If we were given adequate modding systems, compatibility issues would be a thing of the past. And are you seriously telling me your fine with the way it is right now? Cause I don't just want 1 big mod. I want most of them. I want to run build craft, industrial craft, thaum craft, millienaire, mo creatures, extrabiomesxl, aether, mystcraft, just to name a few. What a nice feeling it would be if I could just download all of those, click a button, and have it all work perfectly. And if theres a complication, I would absolutely love it if it told me which files are causing the problem and then being able to simply open them both up, merge the two together, and then get back on to the game.. But its not that simple, it -could- be that simple, but for some reason it wasn't a priority to them. So instead of we have use programs to decompile the base files, we have obfuscation, and just a whole bunch of other crap that just makes it soooo difficult to even fix mod complications.
I just want to make minecraft more fun. But I can't... Because there are complications. I could handle those complications, but the majority of people don't give out the source code. So if, for example, xd.class was being used by two mods, I can't just open em both up, merge the information together into one xd.class, and then get the game working... And I can't decompile the .class files... because I don't know what to merge. Because its heavily, heavily, obfuscated... And you guys won't do it, because you don't care.
but you won't give out the source so I can do it, which doesn't make sense, because I am offering to do the work... Which brings me back to my point. Even if they didn't have to do any of the work, they still refuse, for god knows why.
I want to enhance the game with everything possible. But there are conflictions. The authors don't want to fix them, because it involves their mod and someone elses. I would fix them, but the authors don't want to give me the source code so I can fix them. I am angry about this, because this requires 0 work on their part, and with the rules in place, they shouldn't fear giving up their source code, because people get banned and their mod removed if they do try to steal someones mod. So you can't really hide behind the whole "Its alot of work" excuse when someone else is saying they will do ALL the work required if you just hand them the files. I could make my minecraft super crazy if I could fix the conflicting files. But unfortunately, alot of authors refuse to give you the files even for that reason.