I've decided to change tactics when it comes to the Arabic villages. I won't have the time or the knowledge to built it myself, even with help from players when it comes to documentation/building ideas. Also, since Millénaire 1.4 and its custom NPCs, almost everything can be done by other people than myself - the main exception are new items or blocks. So basically I'm looking for one or two people motivated by this and knowledgeable both about the Arab world and Millénaire modding to take charge of this. I'll help out, both for specific coding that would have to be done and to provide feedback on what works/doesn't work in the villages, but I will not have the time to do either the buildings nor the NPCs.
Anybody interested in this should PM me. Same if you are interested in the concept but for an other culture.
You are welcome to PM-me, but I'm unable to reply to everyone. Vous pouvez m'envoyer un MP, mais je ne peux pas répondre à tous. आप मुझसे संपर्क कर सकते हैं, लेकिन मैं हर मेल का जवाब नहीं दे सकता.
most of the buildings should have curved roofs. They made the curved roofs because they believed that the sloped line wards of evil spirits, straight lines. The cities were usually divided by rings, the outer ring being where the poor would live (most people), then the inner ring would be a huge flat area with many extravagant palaces. Today when you see Japanese houses they look very modern. Yet this was not the case, most of the people had mud and clay packed houses http://www.historyforkids.org/learn/china/architecture/chinesehouses.htm
Buildings
Pagodas - used for worship
Palaces - for emperors and the family
Jobs
Builders, farmers, market salesmen, warriors, samurai, monks.
I learned a lot of this because I used to create these types of villages and the great wall of china on my friends server.
You should put in sake dens(basically a taveren) where the women could go to produce sake aka rice wine that can replace cider.
Sorry if I mispelled something and I love your mod :smile.gif:.
Some of these ideas may have been posted before but these are a few ideas I came up with
Villagers Monk : Resides in a small house by a temple (if a temple is included in the village) and visits daily to pray Foot soldier (originally intended as Samurai) : Villagers that patrol the village by day and rest with family in simple houses by night (wields spear or pole-arm). Ninja :(otherwise known as shinobi) : Prowls the village by night and attacks hostile mobs, during the day they return to a special building to rest(example a dojo). :dry.gif: Items Ramen: Unique to the Japanese villages and can only be made by the villagers. Ramen is a food that heals 4 hearts and once consumed you are left with a wooden bowl Sushi: Unique to Japanese villages and can only be made by the villagers. Sushi is a food that can heal 1 heart and stacks to a maximum of five. Katana: Unique to Japanese villages and can only be made by the villagers. A katana is used by Samurai and Ninja once the village has enough iron to make them. This sword is as fast as gold and is as strong as the Norman swords Japanese paintings Unique to Japanese villages and can only be made by the villagers. Paintings sold by the villagers that displays paintings of samurai, shinobi, emperors, food and anything relevant to Japanese culture or anything from Japan (Like manga XD)
Just a couple of suggestions and ideas I'm putting out there, I hope Japanese villages will be implemented into Millenaire! :biggrin.gif:
EDIT: No ninja :angry.gif:
Ninjas are out BTW, too fantasy. Also Samurais would be more equivalent to the knight I think, they would have much higher status than a simple guard. Some kind of fishermen would be good I agree, I'll see what I can do there.
Otherwise, anybody feels like making some building designs? Just to discuss them?
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You are welcome to PM-me, but I'm unable to reply to everyone. Vous pouvez m'envoyer un MP, mais je ne peux pas répondre à tous. आप मुझसे संपर्क कर सकते हैं, लेकिन मैं हर मेल का जवाब नहीं दे सकता.
Oh my, some misconceptions here about Japanese culture and history, methinks :tongue.gif:
Ninja: Ninja weren't fantasy or make-believe. They did exist, but much of what people say about them is indeed false... Just a list of some facts:
-Ninja were NOT assassins. They specialized in espionage, subjugation, and sabotage. Mostly they gathered (stole) information, altered information, destroyed things (often via fire), and on VERY RARE occasions, assassinated people.
-Ninja were NOT farmers. While I'm sure some farmers did work as Ninja, Ninja were moon-lighting samurai that wanted to do certain under-handed jobs without compromising their honor and reputation.
-Ninja rarely wore all black. Generally they wore "ordinary" clothing to blend in, but sometimes they'd dress up as farmers, monks, or even guards. If they were doing a mission at night that required them to NOT be seen, they'd either wear dark blue, red, green, or brown - depending on the environment. (Random fact: Red is the hardest color for human eyes to focus on)
-Ninja didn't use "Ninja magic" (ninjutsu, or ninpou - these terms literally just mean "ninja techniques," and were just used to refer to the martial arts that ninja used). The hand movements that people have associated with Ninja since Naruto and such anime have come out historically had nothing to do with magic. They were actually "focuses" used to help with their concentration while at work. See:
tl;dr - Ninja were real, ordinary people, that were closer to modern spies than magical assassins :tongue.gif: If you want to know more about what they actually were like, whether out of curiosity, or to include them in the mod, I'd be happy to type out more =)
Samurai: First, Samurai were usually not city guards. While some city guards were indeed Samurai, it's important to understand that the two roles are different - Samurai are a hereditary caste (like nobility), and a city guard is a job.
Now, in the Heian period, the Samurai had very little power - the Emperor was still all-powerful and ruled Japan himself. However, this actually began to change towards the end of the Heian period (around the 11th century). Since the Emperor was progressively losing control of Japan due to his incompetence, the Samurai took control of the country by force, and the Shogunate system came into place. The Emperor became a symbol (who literally did NOTHING but sit around), and Japan became a Military Dictatorship lead by the Shogun - at the time, this was Minamoto Yoritomo (or, Western structure - Yoritomo Minamoto).
Japanese Diet: The Japanese diet is often misunderstood today, particularly due to all of the Westernization of Japan, as well as cultural exchange between the US and Japan. While they did indeed eat a lot of fish, roughly 1/2 to 2/3 of the Japanese diet is and always has been white rice. (Random Fact #2: Japanese often refer to an appetizer as the "sakana" of a breakfast meal - sakana literally means fish - as fish was often eaten first in the morning before anything else) A typical Japanese meal often consists of 1/2 white rice, 1/4 vegetables, and 1/4 meat or fish. This is because white rice is easy to produce in incredibly large quantities, while meat and vegetables requires much more time and space to produce efficiently - making it cost significantly more.
Japanese currency: In the late Heian period (11th Century Japan), the Japanese actually stopped using currency. The Emperor and his many advisors basically got lazy and failed to control the country, so the Japanese people took over a lot of things that were normally regulated by the government. Instead of using money, they usually traded with rice as currency, since it had extreme fundamental value - everyone ate copious amounts as part of their normal diet. They also, on occasion, performed traditional trades with two non-currency items of value - IE, a kimono for farming tools.
Japanese village structure: Generally speaking, smaller Japanese villages had no leader - they were mostly self sustained through rice production, and occasionally traded with other nearby villages for other supplies they needed. However, during the late Heian period, manors/estates called "Shouen" came into existence. Basically, an aristocrat or samurai would take control (usually peacefully) over a small/medium-sized village and build up an estate. They'd tax some portion of the village's income, and, over time, build up a small military force (for protection) within the village. It's worth noting that Buddhist temples made use of this system as well, so it wasn't uncommon for a temple to be the center of a village, and not an ordinary manor.
See: Shouen
I suppose Ninja weren't the best idea..
Couple more ideas that appeared in my head.
Foot soldiers: The equivalent of a guard from the Norman Villages. Wields a spear (unique to village) or wooden sword. Samurai: As said, the head of the village.
A little more on-topic now (though I hope my previous post will be useful!)... I'm sure much of this will be unusable, but I thought I'd throw out what I can, and let you decide =)
Here's an excellent floor plan I found of a traditional Japanese home.
While I can't read all of the kanji here (too small/blurry for an inexperienced like myself :tongue.gif: ), I'll try my best to explain the layout...
Entrance (Bottom-left): The entryway in Japanese homes is something similar to a western door-step. Guests (even those not acquainted with the residents) would enter into the home and wait in this little entryway, sometimes taking off their shoes and sitting down.
These entryways were typically just dirt in lower-class homes, but could also be cement, brick, or stone.
Next, is a series of hallways, leading to different rooms... At the top left is the bathroom. Toilets were typically just missing planks of wood in the floor. Baths were often just barrels that were filled with hot water. In higher-class homes, they'd be made of stone/tile, and lacquered wood.
On the right, we have the living room. Instead of having fixed furniture like we do in the West, the Japanese have small, light furniture that they take out as needed. During the day, a table and a set of cushions are often set out.
In the old days, everyone slept in the same room, thus the living room was often 1/2 or more of the house's total floor-space.
Last, in the top-right, is the backyard and patio. Japanese patios always had large awnings so people could sit and watch the outdoors.
Yet more to come :smile.gif: I'll probably make a little Japanese house in minecraft when I have the time... Right now I'm kind of busy.
Edit: I totally forgot to mention this... At that time period, the Japanese had stopped using many heavy materials for construction, and had started to use mostly wood. High-class homes were constructed primarily of lacquered wood (floors and walls), paper (for some walls and doors), some stone (for outdoor walkways, etc), and brick or clay (for roof tiles). Lower-class homes were a mix of the same materials (minus the lacquer on the wood), and a lot of rice straw.
Also, Tatami (mostly made from rice straw) were the indoor flooring of choice, rather than having the wood exposed.
Finding a village on its own would be rare.Instead,there would be a few villages seperate from each other but relatively close together,with the next one's borders visible from the center of another.In the middle would be a big fort-village,with noblemen and the emperor living in it.The normal villages(we'll call them fiefs for now,I don't know the japanese word for fiefs)will each have a colour represented one way or another,including the emperors castle.(maybe a flag ontop of the main building)The fiefs would train soldiers(woo samurais)and send them to attack the other fiefs.If a fief manages to conquer another fief,the flag will be converted to their colour.Every once in a while,the emperor will send large groups of soldiers to go and re-unite the fighting fiefs,which will slowly grow back to being seperate coloured.Should all the fiefs unite under one flag(that isn't the emperor's,of course),they will all siege the castle together.The castle may either survive the siege(after some days of fighting) and reconquer the rebelling fiefs,or succumb to the siege and be changed to the conquerer's colour.Eventually,when the kingdom is reunited,the fiefs will start going back to seperate colours,and the cycle will begin again.
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Some stuff on the Katana and other Japanese weaponry of the period...
First off, Katana actually weren't invented/mainstreamed until around the 13th century as a response to the Mongol Invasions of 1274 and 1281. Interestingly, the Samurai were almost entirely horseback archers before that time, and they were likely the best archers in the world. Their traditional bow was a composite bow called the Yumi.
While they did carry swords at times, they were usually straight-blades or tachi (similar, but different, to the katana). But instead, it was more likely to see them carrying spears or bows.
More specifically regarding town guards... At that time, there was little in the way of police/military force in Japan due to the issues with the Emperor. However, what police there were MOSTLY carried spears. Typically these guards would be just wearing kimono (armor was usually only used in war), but here's a picture of armor from that period anyway :tongue.gif:
Rice paddies! It's probably been done before, but here's my take on how rice paddies should look in minecraft with only 15 minutes of work :tongue.gif:
Note that the only water sourceblocks are at the top, and they flow down to the lower tiers... In a typical farming village, where a tiered system like this is used, these would be carved into the sides of hills and mountains, and the village would be situated above the paddies (as water flowing into homes would be no-good!). Mind you, actual rice paddies are very, very large.
Edit: More rice paddies! They're also made on flat areas as well. I didn't bother planting stuff everywhere, because I think you get the idea. Also note that I had to use water sourceblocks everywhere, since minecraft water only flows so far :sad.gif:
Note that they're much more uniform, and roads are almost always built through and around the paddies to give easier access to the paddies themselves, and areas on the other side.
Demo Japanese house! Took about 45 minutes of work, but it looks about right using only default blocks (smooth stone, wood planks, wood stairs, wood slabs, wood doors, and a bucket of water :biggrin.gif: ). Obviously not very elaborate, but a decent look at layout... Loosely based this off the layout that was in my earlier post.
I've decided to change tactics when it comes to the Arabic villages. I won't have the time or the knowledge to built it myself, even with help from players when it comes to documentation/building ideas. Also, since Millénaire 1.4 and its custom NPCs, almost everything can be done by other people than myself - the main exception are new items or blocks. So basically I'm looking for one or two people motivated by this and knowledgeable both about the Arab world and Millénaire modding to take charge of this. I'll help out, both for specific coding that would have to be done and to provide feedback on what works/doesn't work in the villages, but I will not have the time to do either the buildings nor the NPCs.
Anybody interested in this should PM me. Same if you are interested in the concept but for an other culture.
You are welcome to PM-me, but I'm unable to reply to everyone. Vous pouvez m'envoyer un MP, mais je ne peux pas répondre à tous. आप मुझसे संपर्क कर सकते हैं, लेकिन मैं हर मेल का जवाब नहीं दे सकता.
Buildings
Pagodas - used for worship
Palaces - for emperors and the family
Jobs
Builders, farmers, market salesmen, warriors, samurai, monks.
I learned a lot of this because I used to create these types of villages and the great wall of china on my friends server.
(btw I love your mod :biggrin.gif: )
Sorry if I mispelled something and I love your mod :smile.gif:.
heh heh looks like someone already posted it except i didnt put the shop i like that idea
Villagers
Monk : Resides in a small house by a temple (if a temple is included in the village) and visits daily to pray
Foot soldier (originally intended as Samurai) : Villagers that patrol the village by day and rest with family in simple houses by night (wields spear or pole-arm).
Ninja :(otherwise known as shinobi) : Prowls the village by night and attacks hostile mobs, during the day they return to a special building to rest(example a dojo).
:dry.gif:Items
Ramen: Unique to the Japanese villages and can only be made by the villagers. Ramen is a food that heals 4 hearts and once consumed you are left with a wooden bowl
Sushi: Unique to Japanese villages and can only be made by the villagers. Sushi is a food that can heal 1 heart and stacks to a maximum of five.
Katana: Unique to Japanese villages and can only be made by the villagers. A katana is used by Samurai
and Ninjaonce the village has enough iron to make them. This sword is as fast as gold and is as strong as the Norman swordsJapanese paintings Unique to Japanese villages and can only be made by the villagers. Paintings sold by the villagers that displays paintings of samurai, shinobi, emperors, food and anything relevant to Japanese culture or anything from Japan (Like manga XD)
Just a couple of suggestions and ideas I'm putting out there, I hope Japanese villages will be implemented into Millenaire! :biggrin.gif:
EDIT: No ninja :angry.gif:
Ninjas are out BTW, too fantasy. Also Samurais would be more equivalent to the knight I think, they would have much higher status than a simple guard. Some kind of fishermen would be good I agree, I'll see what I can do there.
Otherwise, anybody feels like making some building designs? Just to discuss them?
You are welcome to PM-me, but I'm unable to reply to everyone. Vous pouvez m'envoyer un MP, mais je ne peux pas répondre à tous. आप मुझसे संपर्क कर सकते हैं, लेकिन मैं हर मेल का जवाब नहीं दे सकता.
Ninja: Ninja weren't fantasy or make-believe. They did exist, but much of what people say about them is indeed false... Just a list of some facts:
-Ninja were NOT assassins. They specialized in espionage, subjugation, and sabotage. Mostly they gathered (stole) information, altered information, destroyed things (often via fire), and on VERY RARE occasions, assassinated people.
-Ninja were NOT farmers. While I'm sure some farmers did work as Ninja, Ninja were moon-lighting samurai that wanted to do certain under-handed jobs without compromising their honor and reputation.
-Ninja rarely wore all black. Generally they wore "ordinary" clothing to blend in, but sometimes they'd dress up as farmers, monks, or even guards. If they were doing a mission at night that required them to NOT be seen, they'd either wear dark blue, red, green, or brown - depending on the environment. (Random fact: Red is the hardest color for human eyes to focus on)
-Ninja didn't use "Ninja magic" (ninjutsu, or ninpou - these terms literally just mean "ninja techniques," and were just used to refer to the martial arts that ninja used). The hand movements that people have associated with Ninja since Naruto and such anime have come out historically had nothing to do with magic. They were actually "focuses" used to help with their concentration while at work. See:
tl;dr - Ninja were real, ordinary people, that were closer to modern spies than magical assassins :tongue.gif: If you want to know more about what they actually were like, whether out of curiosity, or to include them in the mod, I'd be happy to type out more =)
Samurai: First, Samurai were usually not city guards. While some city guards were indeed Samurai, it's important to understand that the two roles are different - Samurai are a hereditary caste (like nobility), and a city guard is a job.
Now, in the Heian period, the Samurai had very little power - the Emperor was still all-powerful and ruled Japan himself. However, this actually began to change towards the end of the Heian period (around the 11th century). Since the Emperor was progressively losing control of Japan due to his incompetence, the Samurai took control of the country by force, and the Shogunate system came into place. The Emperor became a symbol (who literally did NOTHING but sit around), and Japan became a Military Dictatorship lead by the Shogun - at the time, this was Minamoto Yoritomo (or, Western structure - Yoritomo Minamoto).
Japanese Diet: The Japanese diet is often misunderstood today, particularly due to all of the Westernization of Japan, as well as cultural exchange between the US and Japan. While they did indeed eat a lot of fish, roughly 1/2 to 2/3 of the Japanese diet is and always has been white rice. (Random Fact #2: Japanese often refer to an appetizer as the "sakana" of a breakfast meal - sakana literally means fish - as fish was often eaten first in the morning before anything else) A typical Japanese meal often consists of 1/2 white rice, 1/4 vegetables, and 1/4 meat or fish. This is because white rice is easy to produce in incredibly large quantities, while meat and vegetables requires much more time and space to produce efficiently - making it cost significantly more.
Japanese currency: In the late Heian period (11th Century Japan), the Japanese actually stopped using currency. The Emperor and his many advisors basically got lazy and failed to control the country, so the Japanese people took over a lot of things that were normally regulated by the government. Instead of using money, they usually traded with rice as currency, since it had extreme fundamental value - everyone ate copious amounts as part of their normal diet. They also, on occasion, performed traditional trades with two non-currency items of value - IE, a kimono for farming tools.
Japanese village structure: Generally speaking, smaller Japanese villages had no leader - they were mostly self sustained through rice production, and occasionally traded with other nearby villages for other supplies they needed. However, during the late Heian period, manors/estates called "Shouen" came into existence. Basically, an aristocrat or samurai would take control (usually peacefully) over a small/medium-sized village and build up an estate. They'd tax some portion of the village's income, and, over time, build up a small military force (for protection) within the village. It's worth noting that Buddhist temples made use of this system as well, so it wasn't uncommon for a temple to be the center of a village, and not an ordinary manor.
See: Shouen
More to come...
Couple more ideas that appeared in my head.
Foot soldiers: The equivalent of a guard from the Norman Villages. Wields a spear (unique to village) or wooden sword.
Samurai: As said, the head of the village.
Here's an excellent floor plan I found of a traditional Japanese home.
Floorplan
While I can't read all of the kanji here (too small/blurry for an inexperienced like myself :tongue.gif: ), I'll try my best to explain the layout...
Entrance (Bottom-left): The entryway in Japanese homes is something similar to a western door-step. Guests (even those not acquainted with the residents) would enter into the home and wait in this little entryway, sometimes taking off their shoes and sitting down.
Entryway
These entryways were typically just dirt in lower-class homes, but could also be cement, brick, or stone.
Next, is a series of hallways, leading to different rooms... At the top left is the bathroom. Toilets were typically just missing planks of wood in the floor. Baths were often just barrels that were filled with hot water. In higher-class homes, they'd be made of stone/tile, and lacquered wood.
Lower-class bathroom
Traditional bath
High-class bath
On the right, we have the living room. Instead of having fixed furniture like we do in the West, the Japanese have small, light furniture that they take out as needed. During the day, a table and a set of cushions are often set out.
Living room
And in the evening, the cushions are put in a closet, the table propped up against a wall, and futons laid out for sleep.
Futon
In the old days, everyone slept in the same room, thus the living room was often 1/2 or more of the house's total floor-space.
Last, in the top-right, is the backyard and patio. Japanese patios always had large awnings so people could sit and watch the outdoors.
Yet more to come :smile.gif: I'll probably make a little Japanese house in minecraft when I have the time... Right now I'm kind of busy.
Edit: I totally forgot to mention this... At that time period, the Japanese had stopped using many heavy materials for construction, and had started to use mostly wood. High-class homes were constructed primarily of lacquered wood (floors and walls), paper (for some walls and doors), some stone (for outdoor walkways, etc), and brick or clay (for roof tiles). Lower-class homes were a mix of the same materials (minus the lacquer on the wood), and a lot of rice straw.
Also, Tatami (mostly made from rice straw) were the indoor flooring of choice, rather than having the wood exposed.
Tatami
Old Japanese farmhouse (lower-class)
Finding a village on its own would be rare.Instead,there would be a few villages seperate from each other but relatively close together,with the next one's borders visible from the center of another.In the middle would be a big fort-village,with noblemen and the emperor living in it.The normal villages(we'll call them fiefs for now,I don't know the japanese word for fiefs)will each have a colour represented one way or another,including the emperors castle.(maybe a flag ontop of the main building)The fiefs would train soldiers(woo samurais)and send them to attack the other fiefs.If a fief manages to conquer another fief,the flag will be converted to their colour.Every once in a while,the emperor will send large groups of soldiers to go and re-unite the fighting fiefs,which will slowly grow back to being seperate coloured.Should all the fiefs unite under one flag(that isn't the emperor's,of course),they will all siege the castle together.The castle may either survive the siege(after some days of fighting) and reconquer the rebelling fiefs,or succumb to the siege and be changed to the conquerer's colour.Eventually,when the kingdom is reunited,the fiefs will start going back to seperate colours,and the cycle will begin again.
Bamboo farm (takinochio)to make tatami for floor
Scroll maker make scroll
Painter make japanesse painting
Japanesse temple were japanesse people pray and make offer or donate money
Tea farm make tea powder
Weapon maker make sword like katana and shurriken
Japanesse fisherman capture fish to make sashimi with rice
Armor maker make japanesse cloth and japanesse armor
Noodle maker make noodle with wheat
and that all more idea to come maybe
First off, Katana actually weren't invented/mainstreamed until around the 13th century as a response to the Mongol Invasions of 1274 and 1281. Interestingly, the Samurai were almost entirely horseback archers before that time, and they were likely the best archers in the world. Their traditional bow was a composite bow called the Yumi.
Yumi
Yumi drawn
While they did carry swords at times, they were usually straight-blades or tachi (similar, but different, to the katana). But instead, it was more likely to see them carrying spears or bows.
More specifically regarding town guards... At that time, there was little in the way of police/military force in Japan due to the issues with the Emperor. However, what police there were MOSTLY carried spears. Typically these guards would be just wearing kimono (armor was usually only used in war), but here's a picture of armor from that period anyway :tongue.gif:
Heian period armor
Note that this armor was primarily lacquered leather, and contained little-to-no metal.
One
Two
Three
Four
Five
Note that the only water sourceblocks are at the top, and they flow down to the lower tiers... In a typical farming village, where a tiered system like this is used, these would be carved into the sides of hills and mountains, and the village would be situated above the paddies (as water flowing into homes would be no-good!). Mind you, actual rice paddies are very, very large.
Real rice paddy
Edit: More rice paddies! They're also made on flat areas as well. I didn't bother planting stuff everywhere, because I think you get the idea. Also note that I had to use water sourceblocks everywhere, since minecraft water only flows so far :sad.gif:
One
Two
Three
Four
Note that they're much more uniform, and roads are almost always built through and around the paddies to give easier access to the paddies themselves, and areas on the other side.
Real one
Based off of this
Here it is...
Front
Entryway
Inside
Living Room
Bath
Extra room
Inside facing out to the patio
Patio from outside
Look at it from the side, showing the awning
Roof