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Quote from elthisa

Hey Reika, love the mod and I thought I would bounce some ideas off of you for suggestions for future updates. Not too sure this is the best place, so I'm sorry if you have another preferred medium for these suggestions.

Before I say anything else, I'm not too good at forum-ing (lolwut?) so I might come across snide or disrespectful or that I think something is bad, I really don't.

So, I have always loved and been fascinated by jet engines and gas turbines so getting to play around with them in a game is f***ing AWESOME!.

I look them up a lot on youtube and I actually came across AgentJayZ who basically works on the darn things and has dozens of different videos explaining all about them.

Basically I personally feel like gas turbines are too 'small' for realism. I'm not sure if you made the power realistic for how much power a <1m large gas turbine would produce, so I'm not ridiculing that. My suggestions that follow all pander to the 'realism' tenet and not much else, so I understand if all are rejected.

Gas turbines could be multi-block structures. You can make them into turbofans by adding some of those turbines you have for power generation from steam with a gas turbine casing, which in turn make the engine more powerful at the cost of space and additional resources. More info here: (Yeah ikr youtube, but it really is good info).

Gas turbines should have to be 'locked' in place. Put an engine on the ground and it's liable to fly away. You should have to have an engine mount structure with X amount of steel pilings drilled Y meters meters into the ground that scale directly with how large and powerful the engine itself is. 16x16 could be the limit and completely overkill for all except the most powerful engines.

Power turbines. Again I'll link you to the man who actually works in the field: (), but the short version is that basically the turbine outputs into an empty housing filled with nothing but the hot gases generated during the combustion process that turns a (propeller?)/turbine which THEN generates the power. You could have more power turbines to collect more of the energy from the turbofan but they are really expensive and TOO many will actually start to decrease the efficiency of the power turbine. Generating power by connecting a shaft directly to the back of the gas turbine is kind of silly.

Starting the engine. More advanced setups can have a computer-type block that automates the startup, but beginners have to use a coil-powered drill or air blower to get the engine going.


So all of these can arguably make turbine engine power harder to achieve, but with an increased power output and realism I don't see a problem. Anyways, thank you for taking the time to read my post and have a good day.

Quote from Explosivegamer

Found some more issues by this nasty bug, it seems that the loops will only happen after the server has been restarted after the inital placement of the Electircraft blocks, every motor and battery. The data doesnt seem to want to update on how much voltage/amps are being passed through the cables. When the loop error is running the and you try to add a cable to the system it will output 0V and 0A.

I decided to test this though single player to see if it would also cause the issue and it did but took a while longer for the issue to happen but when I broke a cable it gave this crash report.

http://pastebin.com/XeKNxy9m

Regards,
Wikid

Quote from elthisa

Worth a shot anyways

On an unrelated note, dang dude you respond A LOT to this thread. I don't think I've seen another mod author have this much dialogue and support for their mods.

Kudos

Quote from Roma1704

Hello, Reika. Why does sonic borer have an infinite length of action (I can dig infinite tunnels)?

Quote from anicet74

Well... If I've been surprised by this that mean that I've obviously not seen that discussion...

Quote from elthisa

If someone else hadn't said something I wouldn't have posted again in regards to Reika's rule about not bothering him if he doesn't say yes to an idea, but I will comment one last time and won't comment again unless asked.

The power plant turbine would be hard to make. Complex and with much that can fail this is a beast of a power system; and drinks like it. With a large intake to feed the combustion enough oxygen and fuel that can either be pumped in liquid or gaseous form this engine takes large amounts of resources to both setup, and to continually use. Enough power to supply an entire base's power demands if fed continuously, it is only rivaled in power by nuclear fission or fusion power plants which can supply entire servers.

NO changes would have to be made to the current gas turbine in order for the power turbine multiblock to work. In messing around in creative mode with the current gas turbine, when a player get sucked through it sometimes it starts shooting sparks out of the back which can catch things on fire. This same code logic could be applied for the power turbine setup, whereas the heat from the exhaust gas of a gas turbine engine could be detected by the power turbine block(s) which would then start to spin.

Wind mills already have the ability to detect blocks in front of them so that code too could be reused for the power turbine prop to detect that there is sufficient empty space in the turbine housing to allow the pressure to build.

I really don't mean to sound picky or annoying, I think I have spent too much time sneak+right clicking those huge turbine blades that generate power from steam onto the front of a gas turbine imagining how awesome it would be to see them spin and the whole thing work.

This is something that really is worth the time if others agree. As a programmer myself I know how time consuming it is just to implement small features, so I do understand that. I haven't taken a look at his mod's code but I feel like a lot of the basic features are already in place so the code could maybe mostly be reused. Anyways, thanks again as always.

Quote from Benitsubasa

@Gas Turbines:
Personally i'd like to see a power-plant gas turbine rather than a jet-engine gas turbine added.

Quote from MrGraphic

Reika you may wan't to check your SteamTurbine ( RC one ) - eats steam like crazy, no power production not even fancy rotation. Was working in v18 - same mod setup.
Also I got some crash when I was investigating yesterdays worldwide servers dawn time:
In location from log I had steam engine connected with EnderIO pipe - in idle state:

Description: Ticking tile entity
java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Empty string not allowed
at net.minecraft.nbt.NBTTagString.<init>(SourceFile:15)
at net.minecraft.nbt.NBTTagCompound.func_74778_a(SourceFile:81)
at net.minecraftforge.fluids.FluidStack.writeToNBT(FluidStack.java:88)
at net.minecraftforge.fluids.FluidTank.writeToNBT(FluidTank.java:53)
at Reika.DragonAPI.Instantiable.HybridTank.writeToNBT(HybridTank.java:41)
at Reika.RotaryCraft.TileEntities.Production.TileEntityEngine.writeSyncTag(TileEntityEngine.java:1304)
at Reika.DragonAPI.Base.TileEntityBase.func_70319_e(TileEntityBase.java:113)
at Reika.DragonAPI.Base.TileEntityBase.sendSyncPacket(TileEntityBase.java:235)
at Reika.DragonAPI.Base.TileEntityBase.func_70316_g(TileEntityBase.java:222)
at net.minecraft.world.World.func_72939_s(World.java:2209)
at net.minecraft.world.WorldServer.func_72939_s(WorldServer.java:550)
at net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer.func_71190_q(MinecraftServer.java:668)
at net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer.func_71217_p(MinecraftServer.java:587)
at net.minecraft.server.integrated.IntegratedServer.func_71217_p(IntegratedServer.java:129)
at net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer.run(MinecraftServer.java:484)
at net.minecraft.server.ThreadMinecraftServer.run(SourceFile:583)

A detailed walkthrough of the error, its code path and all known details is as follows:
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- Head --
Stacktrace:
at net.minecraft.nbt.NBTTagString.<init>(SourceFile:15)
at net.minecraft.nbt.NBTTagCompound.func_74778_a(SourceFile:81)
at net.minecraftforge.fluids.FluidStack.writeToNBT(FluidStack.java:88)
at net.minecraftforge.fluids.FluidTank.writeToNBT(FluidTank.java:53)
at Reika.DragonAPI.Instantiable.HybridTank.writeToNBT(HybridTank.java:41)
at Reika.RotaryCraft.TileEntities.Production.TileEntityEngine.writeSyncTag(TileEntityEngine.java:1304)
at Reika.DragonAPI.Base.TileEntityBase.func_70319_e(TileEntityBase.java:113)
at Reika.DragonAPI.Base.TileEntityBase.sendSyncPacket(TileEntityBase.java:235)
at Reika.DragonAPI.Base.TileEntityBase.func_70316_g(TileEntityBase.java:222)
-- Tile entity being ticked --
Details:
Name: RCengine // Reika.RotaryCraft.TileEntities.Production.TileEntityEngine
Block type: ID #3504 (tile.classReika.RotaryCraft.Blocks.BlockEngine // Reika.RotaryCraft.Blocks.BlockEngine)
Block data value: 3 / 0x3 / 0b0011
Block location: World: (-864,70,-970), Chunk: (at 0,4,6 in -54,-61; contains blocks -864,0,-976 to -849,255,-961), Region: (-2,-2; contains chunks -64,-64 to -33,-33, blocks -1024,0,-1024 to -513,255,-513)
Actual block type: ID #3504 (tile.classReika.RotaryCraft.Blocks.BlockEngine // Reika.RotaryCraft.Blocks.BlockEngine)
Actual block data value: 2 / 0x2 / 0b0010
Stacktrace:
at net.minecraft.world.World.func_72939_s(World.java:2209)
at net.minecraft.world.WorldServer.func_72939_s(WorldServer.java:550)

Quote from Reika

Your version is an old one...

Quote from Reika

Additionally, I am not going to change the power output - it is already approximately equal to that of a real jet engine - and that means this would only be a net loss to players gameplay-wise.

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else if (side == Side.CLIENT) {
// We are on the client side.
PacketDispatcher.sendPacketToServer(packet);
PacketDispatcher.sendPacketToAllInDimension(packet, te.worldObj.provider.dimensionId);
}

Quote from elthisa

I am not too sure how modders feel about others repurposing their code for the communities benefit, BUT if you want you can maybe ask the author of modular powersuits for perms for their flying mechanic. That is if you want 1st person control of the aircraft at all times rather than punching in x and z coords.

In mps if you slide the flight control module or 'y-look ratio' all the way to the right you basically fly wherever your cursor is pointed. So you could decrease the turning speed while increasing horizontal speed to make it viable. And of course different aircraft bodies would have different turning (radii?) persay.

Just a thought to maybe make it easier on thou.

Quote from tonius11

Hello again, Reika. After experiencing some framerate lag on the server I play on, I decided to profile my client. The profiler reported that reading received packets apparently took a lot of CPU time.

After some digging around, I decided to look in DragonAPI's packet handling code.
In ReikaPacketHelper.java, in every sendUpdatePacket method, I found this piece of code:

}
else if (side == Side.CLIENT) {
// We are on the client side.
PacketDispatcher.sendPacketToServer(packet);
PacketDispatcher.sendPacketToAllInDimension(packet, te.worldObj.provider.dimensionId);
}

If I'm correct, this means that all of your tile entities, whenever sending update packets (which is quite often), send their packets to every player in the same dimension. This would mean that, on a server with several players using RotaryCraft, one would receive a ton of update packets from all around the current world. I suppose this could be very heavy on clients.

Could you perhaps change your packet sending methods, so that they only send packets to players in, say, a 50 block range or similar? This may greatly reduce client lag on bigger servers that use your mods. Thanks in advance!

Quote from Keybounce

I've never seen a jet engine only one meter across; you've said you've seen then half that size.

Is the output of the one meter game engine equal to a real world one meter engine? Perhaps a better question: What size real world engine is the game's one-meter engine modeling?

Quote from MrGraphic

That is incorrect assumption because files in my mods folder are exactly the same as files on your website, unless you are talking about your development versions .
SteamTurbines are brand new and totally refuse to work - I submit complaint .

Quote from elthisa

Since I have 0 clue on how to reply or quote someone, while also being at the risk of spamming this thread I'll just copy/paste.

"My aircraft use realistic flight physics; there is no "follow the mouse". You control the thrust, roll and pitch, and that controls the rest of the motion."

Dayum. Dats gunna be one helluva gui. I knew you liked realism but that would be fricking amazing lol.

Quote from elthisa

Anyways, I assume that the code pasted on github is the code for the mod. Anything the community can do to help you out with it?