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sorry, vaks. I had to cheat for SH 12.
Mostly cause I'm really new to the SH series so I had to watch your vids for every last bit of loot, even setting up the railway heist system so I could get infinite Unbreaking III books.

SH 12 was still really challenging even with my OP cheat sword and OP cheat bow. In normal minecraft, that is. Here, not really...

btw love flamevenoms

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I don't like the idea of shielded UHC, what ever Vechs is working on I worry about when it actually gets released... You don't have to be a control freak just let us see the map OR DON'T.

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That video tells you almost nothing you didn't know already, its' purpose is hype.

I think you're getting a bit P.O'd about this. You need to understand that it's been about a year since the last map was made, and an even longer time since we've had a truly evil and difficult map (Nightmare Realm). So in light of the previous statement, and because Vechs has such a large fan base he's in his own right to tease and to hype it up.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with hyping up the new map other than it makes you want the new super hostile map to come out quicker and you grow impatient, and angry at the fact that it's not coming out any faster.

Calm down, it'll come out when it comes out, there's nothing wrong with hype, and the Shielded UHC adds a new level of gameplay that a majority of the community is going to enjoy (including you) when it comes out because it'll be well made, and fun as it always is with his maps.

YouTube and apparently some of the forums have been plagued with Doomsday Syndrome as of recently. All the people ­b1tching about how so and so on YouTube doesn't make videos as good as they use to, and that the community is dying, or they think the changes/additions to the channel, or game, or forum, is going to ruin it forever.

People get over it! Changes are scary, but they're not always for the worse!

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YouTube and apparently some of the forums have been plagued with Doomsday Syndrome as of recently. All the people ­b1tching about how so and so on YouTube doesn't make videos as good as they use to, and that the community is dying, or they think the changes/additions to the channel, or game, or forum, is going to ruin it forever.

People get over it! Changes are scary, but they're not always for the worse!

The reason people are always nostalgic about "the times before" is because they remember the good bits and forgot the bad ones. Face it YouTube has always been broken and that's not going to change esp. now that they have a total monopoly.

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I think you're getting a bit P.O'd about this. You need to understand that it's been about a year since the last map was made, and an even longer time since we've had a truly evil and difficult map (Nightmare Realm). So in light of the previous statement, and because Vechs has such a large fan base he's in his own right to tease and to hype it up.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with hyping up the new map other than it makes you want the new super hostile map to come out quicker and you grow impatient, and angry at the fact that it's not coming out any faster.

Calm down, it'll come out when it comes out, there's nothing wrong with hype, and the Shielded UHC adds a new level of gameplay that a majority of the community is going to enjoy (including you) when it comes out because it'll be well made, and fun as it always is with his maps.

If the map is anything like IM (not up to par) then the more he hypes it the more I will hate him for it. I could go on for pages about this but you guys deserve the simplified version. He had the right to hype IM but that ended very badly for him and he left the community because of it.

I just came here for the first time in like a year. Is he still working on another map?

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I just came here for the first time in like a year. Is he still working on another map?

It seems like he's working on another map. No info about when it will done, since he just started the project.

He also made a series about the map making in his YT channel. Also in the previous page of this thread, there is a sneak peek of the map.

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I just came here for the first time in like a year. Is he still working on another map?

For the year you were absent he quit mapmaking, but now he is kinda back.

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If the map is anything like IM (not up to par) then the more he hypes it the more I will hate him for it. I could go on for pages about this but you guys deserve the simplified version. He had the right to hype IM but that ended very badly for him and he left the community because of it.

Honestly, can't you give him a break? He's had a few flops recently, but when has any major game development studio not had flops before? He's a great mapper, or at least he was, we'll see if he still is, but honestly, you're not very justified in being so rude. He's done what he can, and he'll only continue to make better maps.



tl;dr stop posting hate comments and give him a break.

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Honestly, can't you give him a break? He's had a few flops recently, but when has any major game development studio not had flops before? He's a great mapper, or at least he was, we'll see if he still is, but honestly, you're not very justified in being so rude. He's done what he can, and he'll only continue to make better maps.



tl;dr stop posting hate comments and give him a break.

I totally agree, however I want to point out that he may have been getting worn out by IM, probably out of energy and ideas. I would assume that by the end of the map, it felt like a huge chore. Most likely, this remake will breath fresh life into the series.

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Honestly, can't you give him a break? He's had a few flops recently, but when has any major game development studio not had flops before? He's a great mapper, or at least he was, we'll see if he still is, but honestly, you're not very justified in being so rude. He's done what he can, and he'll only continue to make better maps.



tl;dr stop posting hate comments and give him a break.

Agreed. Every time he makes a map he's not getting worse, He's getting better. A few ideas fail, but that just helps him perfect things for future maps making the next one better. In the next one he may find mistakes, but that only continues to perfect the maps he makes as he goes.

All that aside though, I don't really understand why people though Inferno Mines was bad. I played though it a month or two after it became public. I played all the way though, and I thought it was great. The only thing I can think of that was questionable was the random loot system, but even that was a minor mistake in a vast map. He made good use of the possibilities in 1.5 to the mobs to make them more powerful and overall it was a great challenge all the way through.

TLDR:

Second Law of Thermodynamics

I thought Inferno Mines was great, what was so bad about it?

Honestly, I have to agree with SarcasmLord on this one, IM was not that bad of a map. He was trying to do something different, and for that to work, there had to be a similar theme throughout the map. The last intersection was perfectly fine, he changed it up a bit, so you shosuld be more happy with that. Anyways, that's enough bull for right now.

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I would like to hear what he was trying to do in IM that was different from other CTM linear maps.

Giving the ability for the player to sequence break, which changes the entire lay of the land. In addition, this was his first linear-branching map that used custom mobs.

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Honestly, can't you give him a break? He's had a few flops recently, but when has any major game development studio not had flops before? He's a great mapper, or at least he was, we'll see if he still is, but honestly, you're not very justified in being so rude. He's done what he can, and he'll only continue to make better maps.



tl;dr stop posting hate comments and give him a break.

No.
He injected himself into the public forum and he will receive my criticisms whether or not you like it. [REDACTED] so [REDACTED] wouldn't have a [REDACTED] fit over it. I was merely saying that if you over hype a dull or boring map you will be at the mercies of an angry mob.

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Wow that's such a huge step!

The sarcasm is strong in this one, you go steal SarcasmLord's name.

I just found a link to Vechs's Gift map but nowhere have I read what version its recommended to play in, does anyone happen to know this by chance?

Downloading now. Looks like I have my work cut out for me x)

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The sarcasm is strong in this one, you go steal SarcasmLord's name.

You're too late. Turns out nobody has thought of my user name before, and I now have it universally claimed with everything I use. Youtube, MC Forums, Twitch, League of Legends, Steam, Twitter, and the list is only expanding! >=)

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Random loot, plain environments, poor use of custom mobs, weak balancing, too many spawners, bad last intersection.

I'm not here to fight with any of you. I respect all of your opinions, I hope none of you take offense to my opinions either as the can be argued (Or is that Sarcasm? *Wink [you'll Never know]), I only hope you'll take my opinions for just that, and not treat me too harshly for a different opinion.

The random loot annoyed me a bit, the environment was a little plain, but as was the sacrifice in making a map with only 1 block top used as a base block and theme of fire and lava. If it's considered plain, the same could be said about Kazio Caverns. Both IM and Kazio Caverns, had mainly 1 base block with the same theme throughout the entire map but (IMHO) both maps made up for it with the interestingly designed and shaped areas.

The use of custom mobs was the first map where he had access to such customization and power in mobs, so it was a first attempt at using them. Nobody can do things right always first time around, especially since 1.5 wasn't out when he started development on the map.

Admittedly, the amount of spawners was grotesque, but I still found the balancing to work and found the map enjoyable even if I died a few times to cheap deaths. (It is a map series called Super Hostile after all!)

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I would like to hear what he was trying to do in IM that was different from other CTM linear maps.

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Wow that's such a huge step!

I think it actually is a huge step. Mechanically the entire way the player plays the game and how hard he has to work to get to the top of the metaphorical food chain is decided by the way the custom mobs were made, and this was his first map to flirt with such ideas.

In this map he did some unique things that he's not done in his maps before.

First official map to use Fleecy Mobs as well as Fleecy Boxes, first linear branching map to not have the standard intersection all the way through,
first map that's linear branching and purely underground to have an area that's hundreds of blocks across so it's hard to see the walls and ceiling that's got enough room for exploration and tons to find in your efforts for exploring, first map to be linear branching and making almost the entire thing lapse back around like a snake in a giant ring, first map to introduce practical mob farming for more than just xp or bones for food he made mob farming have a combat use (Like the flame venom teeth), first map to use and fully implement environmental dangers (Vexian Death blooms and the sort) that must be avoided that can't even be survived in with stacked healing potions (which is big one IMO, it forces the player to actually have to avoid things and plan around it to make progress there's no head on trying to get past a Vexian death bloom.).
They're are probably a few more, but that's all I got for now.

TLDR: I spent way to much time writing this for a tldr. Read it you damn lazies!

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Hey Vechs/Vechz not that you'll probably read this but I have an idea you might be able to use in future maps of yours. In Inferno Mines while I think the random loot was an interesting concept it came to a slight problem of there being far too much stuff to carry with you and having just a lot of stuff left behind. What I think would be cool for most average loot (i.e. not the lapis block stuff) have a currency system in the maps. So boxes instead of dropping random loot would drop emeralds and there would be villagers with specific trades around the map so you could use your money to purchase the equipment you need.

You could even have hidden/secret villagers for slightly better bought stuff. Also you could do things like limit the number of times a person could buy certain things and other stuff. Primarily this would help to make the inventory more compact and streamlined for stuff like low armor/weapons, wood, blocks, enchanting bottles, torches, non-stacked potions, ect. Could have the villagers in the environment or in a area that you could teleport to or whatever.

Not sure if this idea would be any good but just thought it would be an interesting concept to help reduce the inventory problems.

Based on the video he posted today on youtube it would seem that he did see my suggestion (or it was a vast coincidence) So it would seem he does check this forum after all =)

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TLDR: I spent way to much time writing this for a tldr. Read it you damn lazies!

are you calling me lazy? i'm not lazy, i just don't want to read it; i'm being spiteful not lazy.