You dont do them in order? How do you do them then?
I would assume they have a "random" button or something. Also, all the admins can't do them in order at the same time, that would mean chaos. You wouldn't know whether another admin was considering an app when you deny it. They might brake it up into sections based on the admins reviewing mods. e.g one admin does num 1-300 while another does 300-600.
You dont do them in order? How do you do them then?
Well, I'm just taking a guess here, but the applications are divided up by which sections applied for.
Then then each admin goes through the applications for their section at their own pace, marking the applications as they see fit. There is usually more than one admin per section.
I think recruitment has slowed down, so I doubt they're in any sort of hurry.
You dont do them in order? How do you do them then?
From what I have gathered they take a batch (current oldest application - a few hundred apps) and then jumble up the order of all the apps inside of the batch and then proccess them.
Well, I'm just taking a guess here, but the applications are divided up by which sections applied for.
Then then each admin goes through the applications for their section at their own pace, marking the applications as they see fit. There is usually more than one admin per section.
I think recruitment has slowed down, so I doubt they're in any sort of hurry.
This is pretty close to how we do it. FAs accept/deny applications only for their section, so if you applied for 2 sections 2 admins would have to look at your app and make a decision; no need to do them in any sort of sequential order or use any fancy footwork
Personally, I do a handful at a time and I don't really start at any particular application.
This is pretty close to how we do it. FAs accept/deny applications only for their section, so if you applied for 2 sections 2 admins would have to look at your app and make a decision; no need to do them in any sort of sequential order or use any fancy footwork
Personally, I do a handful at a time and I don't really start at any particular application.
Since you need two Forum Admins to actually go through your application and make a decision, does that mean that if you applied for two sections, you would have to wait for a longer period of time?
Since you need two Forum Admins to actually go through your application and make a decision, does that mean that if you applied for two sections, you would have to wait for a longer period of time?
No, we wait until all the apps in a batch are processed before sending out the "sorry, but you didn't make it this time" messages
I've explained it before but I'll explain it again and use this post to link to in future because I have no idea where my last one went.
How moderator applications work
There are 2 systems, there is mod-recruit which is what users see when applying and was built by the Curse development team. This system includes options for approving and denying applications, unfortunately for us this system is designed with a few applications in mind not for forums with almost 3,000 applications. The second system is one that I built, it's called "apparatus" and it is what we use to manage the applications.
Here's the basic "flow" of an application from beginning to end:
1. A member goes to mod-recruit and submits an application, selecting the forums they want to apply for
2. After enough applications have been submitted we "import" them from mod-recruit into apparatus (this is what we call a "batch" -- a collection of applications available in apparatus)
3. Applications become listed in apparatus, staff vote on the applications administrators choose the ones they want to hire and send them a PM. During this time administrators can mark a user as "considering" which means they're considering hiring but haven't done so yet
4. After all applications have been decided on (accepted or rejected) the batch is "exported" which means mod-recruit is updated to reflect the status of the application in apparatus
This means it's possible that you'll submit an application on September 24th, on October 2nd we'll import a batch and on October 3rd your application will be rejected, however until we "export" the batch you won't know this, which could happen on October 14th. It's also possible you'll apply on October 1st and be accepted on October 2nd, so there's no real "expectations" of times, it all depends on your submission time relative to a batch.
Apparatus
So after we've started a new batch and all applications are imported this is what apparatus looks like:
(I left 1 username in so you can see where that would be)
Each application is listed line by line (with the username of the applicant displayed -- not the title of the application)
Next to the applications name is a list of the sections they applied for, if a section is greyed out with a line through (like MD is in the first application in this list) that means the MD admin has rejected the application for that section, but SYC and OT still being displayed normally means they have not yet to been decided on by the OT and SYC admins.
The status of an application is whether it is new, denied, considering or accepted. New means it has been imported and still needs to be decided on by an administrator.
Comments are the number of comments left by any staff member.
Score Is the percentage of yes votes vs. no votes. A score of 50% means 50% of votes are yes, a score of 0% means nobody voted yes and a score of 100% means everyone voted yes.
What all staff can do
Vote yes or no
Comment leave a comment including any relevant information that people should be aware of or to clarify why they're voting yes or no if it's not obvious.
Recommend clicking recommend presents a list of staff, clicking on a username will send that staff member a notification about the application. If for example I saw an application I think would be great for SYC I would recommend it to DanielleStarr.
What administrators can do
Reject If the administrator for a section the user has applied for doesn't want to hire them they can "reject" for that section, this will update the application list to show that they're rejected for that section and will list the section struck out on the application back.
Accept/consider/deny This is for marking the application as complete; whether they're accepted or denied or being considered.
Example applications
Here is an application that has been voted no on by lots of people, has comments and has been rejected for MD but still needs decisions from SYC and OT:
Here is an application that all the moderators love and is being considered
A copy of the apparatus documentation -- not worth reading but may clarify some points if you're confused:
OT: I've applied for moderator, and my status is pending currently.
It's not my fault
We don't do them in any order, so it's kinda hard to say exactly where we are.
I dont get it?
You dont do them in order? How do you do them then?
Just doing this so you know who it is
I would assume they have a "random" button or something. Also, all the admins can't do them in order at the same time, that would mean chaos. You wouldn't know whether another admin was considering an app when you deny it. They might brake it up into sections based on the admins reviewing mods. e.g one admin does num 1-300 while another does 300-600.
Well, I'm just taking a guess here, but the applications are divided up by which sections applied for.
Then then each admin goes through the applications for their section at their own pace, marking the applications as they see fit. There is usually more than one admin per section.
I think recruitment has slowed down, so I doubt they're in any sort of hurry.
From what I have gathered they take a batch (current oldest application - a few hundred apps) and then jumble up the order of all the apps inside of the batch and then proccess them.
It is rather confusing, but I believe that they are done in some orders, such as A-B, C-D, E-F, etc.
They'll get to your application eventually.
The latest one.
Really, don't worry about it. Every app is responded to in due time.
This is pretty close to how we do it. FAs accept/deny applications only for their section, so if you applied for 2 sections 2 admins would have to look at your app and make a decision; no need to do them in any sort of sequential order or use any fancy footwork
Personally, I do a handful at a time and I don't really start at any particular application.
Since you need two Forum Admins to actually go through your application and make a decision, does that mean that if you applied for two sections, you would have to wait for a longer period of time?
No, we wait until all the apps in a batch are processed before sending out the "sorry, but you didn't make it this time" messages
How moderator applications work
There are 2 systems, there is mod-recruit which is what users see when applying and was built by the Curse development team. This system includes options for approving and denying applications, unfortunately for us this system is designed with a few applications in mind not for forums with almost 3,000 applications. The second system is one that I built, it's called "apparatus" and it is what we use to manage the applications.
Here's the basic "flow" of an application from beginning to end:
1. A member goes to mod-recruit and submits an application, selecting the forums they want to apply for
2. After enough applications have been submitted we "import" them from mod-recruit into apparatus (this is what we call a "batch" -- a collection of applications available in apparatus)
3. Applications become listed in apparatus, staff vote on the applications administrators choose the ones they want to hire and send them a PM. During this time administrators can mark a user as "considering" which means they're considering hiring but haven't done so yet
4. After all applications have been decided on (accepted or rejected) the batch is "exported" which means mod-recruit is updated to reflect the status of the application in apparatus
This means it's possible that you'll submit an application on September 24th, on October 2nd we'll import a batch and on October 3rd your application will be rejected, however until we "export" the batch you won't know this, which could happen on October 14th. It's also possible you'll apply on October 1st and be accepted on October 2nd, so there's no real "expectations" of times, it all depends on your submission time relative to a batch.
Apparatus
So after we've started a new batch and all applications are imported this is what apparatus looks like:
(I left 1 username in so you can see where that would be)
Each application is listed line by line (with the username of the applicant displayed -- not the title of the application)
Next to the applications name is a list of the sections they applied for, if a section is greyed out with a line through (like MD is in the first application in this list) that means the MD admin has rejected the application for that section, but SYC and OT still being displayed normally means they have not yet to been decided on by the OT and SYC admins.
The status of an application is whether it is new, denied, considering or accepted. New means it has been imported and still needs to be decided on by an administrator.
Comments are the number of comments left by any staff member.
Score Is the percentage of yes votes vs. no votes. A score of 50% means 50% of votes are yes, a score of 0% means nobody voted yes and a score of 100% means everyone voted yes.
What all staff can do
Vote yes or no
Comment leave a comment including any relevant information that people should be aware of or to clarify why they're voting yes or no if it's not obvious.
Recommend clicking recommend presents a list of staff, clicking on a username will send that staff member a notification about the application. If for example I saw an application I think would be great for SYC I would recommend it to DanielleStarr.
What administrators can do
Reject If the administrator for a section the user has applied for doesn't want to hire them they can "reject" for that section, this will update the application list to show that they're rejected for that section and will list the section struck out on the application back.
Accept/consider/deny This is for marking the application as complete; whether they're accepted or denied or being considered.
Example applications
Here is an application that has been voted no on by lots of people, has comments and has been rejected for MD but still needs decisions from SYC and OT:
Here is an application that all the moderators love and is being considered
A copy of the apparatus documentation -- not worth reading but may clarify some points if you're confused:
Why not build that into minecraftforum.net? Lemme guess, curse doesn't give you the level of access.
correct, I'm not a programmer for Curse so I'm not allowed. Anything I built has to separate.
Just doing this so you know who it is
Then how do they get imported? Crawling the site?
yup, pretty trivial:
Then how are the changes put back in? GETing requests to links based on apparatus' database?