Not really, it just shows that their logic results in redundancies.
A paradox is a question or statement where the answer is excluded due to the nature of the question or statement.
That is:
This statement is false.
Also. I use and have to put up with adfly. If people can't wait 5 seconds, they don't deserve my work. The smallest thing I wrote took a few hours, and I think I deserve the ~0.02 cents I got from it.
Also, for what reason should modders mod for? What's wrong with looking for a mild amount of money? Is that morally reprehensable? It isn't legally reprehensable:
What You Can Do
If you've bought the game, you may play around with it and modify it. We'd appreciate it if you didn't use this for griefing, though, and remember not to distribute the changes.
Any tools you write for the game from scratch belongs to you. You're free to do whatever you want with screenshots and videos of the game, but don't just rip art resources and pass them around, that's no fun. Plugins for the game also belong to you and you can do whatever you want with them, including selling them for money. We reserve the final say regarding what constitutes a tool/plugin and what doesn't.
-From the terms and additions you agreed to
It is not legally vague. In fact, modders such as Risugme, Spacetoad, and myself are being nice releasing their work for free. 5 seconds is perfectly fine.
Not only is paying 13.3% of a cent's worth of time the right thing to do, but it's also beneficial for the consumer. It increases the motivation to maintain their mods and to add new features to encourage downloads.
Finally, get adBlock and NoScript, problem solved, that way you can avoid the more vulgar and infectious ads.
Not really, it just shows that their logic results in redundancies.
A paradox is a question or statement where the answer is excluded due to the nature of the question or statement.
That is:
This statement is false.
Also. I use and have to put up with adfly. If people can't wait 5 seconds, they don't deserve my work. The smallest thing I wrote took a few hours, and I think I deserve the ~0.02 cents I got from it.
Also, for what reason should modders mod for? What's wrong with looking for a mild amount of money? Is that morally reprehensable? It isn't legally reprehensable:
-From the terms and additions you agreed to
It is not legally vague. In fact, modders such as Risugme, Spacetoad, and myself are being nice releasing their work for free. 5 seconds is perfectly fine.
Not only is paying 13.3% of a cent's worth of time the right thing to do, but it's also beneficial for the consumer. It increases the motivation to maintain their mods and to add new features to encourage downloads.
Finally, get adBlock and NoScript, problem solved, that way you can avoid the more vulgar and infectious ads.
A "plugin" is not equivalent to decompiled code that you modified.
Selling someone else's work that you modified is unethical and is illegal, the fact that you are trying to justify it here is hilarious.
And finally, looking at the two "mods" you've released, it looks like two very simple things to write that any novice programmer can do. Get off your high horse and quit acting special kiddo.
Selling someone else's work that you modified is unethical and is illegal, the fact that you are trying to justify it here is hilarious.
Mod:
A modification of a computer case, usually to add functions or accessories not intended or provided by the original manufacturer
Plugin:
(of a module or software) Able to be added to a system to give extra features or functions
Those seem pretty similar.
Furthermore.
How do you install "Mods"? You copy them into your Minecraft.jar, which is essentially an executable folder. In fact, if you turn the file Minecraft.jar into a folder called Minecraft.jar, Minecraft will run fine. That's the same way you install "plugins"
Onto your personal attack:
And finally, looking at the two "mods" you've released, it looks like two very simple things to write that any novice programmer can do. Get off your high horse and quit acting special kiddo.
Also: Just because something's simple doesn't mean the person doesn't have the right for some kind of payment. Case and point: Tomatoes. Anyone can grow tomatoes, all you need is a pot, potting soil, seeds, water, light, and a reasonable temperature.
Furthermore: There's no need for personal attacks, this is a debate, not a catfight.
Finally, in the tradition you've set with the keyword "Finally:"
I never said what I made was that great, I'm pretty new to modding. I was never acting special. I was just using myself as an example, saying that A: I see nothing wrong with Adf.ly B: I am willing to "Put up with poison of my own design" and C: I think it's a good thing to have to wait 5 seconds to show your appreciation.
In fact, I interpret your attacks as an attempt to lash out on a beginner modder because he can do what you are too unintelligent to do, albeit that being novice in nature.
Also: Just because something's simple doesn't mean the person doesn't have the right for some kind of payment. Case and point: Tomatoes. Anyone can grow tomatoes, all you need is a pot, potting soil, seeds, water, light, and a reasonable temperature.
That's a really bad analogy, considering you don't need to modify someone else's intellectual property (copyright infringement) to grow and sell tomatoes.
In fact, I interpret your attacks as an attempt to lash out on a beginner modder because he can do what you are too unintelligent to do, albeit that being novice in nature.
Too unintelligent to do?
I've never made anything and posted here that's minecraft specific, but when I've released code in the past I've always released it openly without trying to dime anyone who wanted to see it and use it simply because there's much better ways to make money, and I certainly wouldn't subject the end-user to ads to make said money.
Maybe if people started donating for once in their life, this would never happen.
So should we donate to notch as well for providing these people a base for their earnings? The makers of mods and texture pack creators aren't entitled to money. Modding has always been something that people do for free because they love the game. It gives the creators a chance to put their skills to use for a game they like and maybe get some type of "fame". It isn't something people do for money... at least it shouldn't be as it provides very little income.
That's a really bad analogy, considering you don't need to modify someone else's intellectual property (copyright infringement) to grow and sell tomatoes.
If you look earlier, I show "mod" and "plugin" to be synonyms. If you loook waay back, I'm allowed to share plugins, and make money off them, if Notch changes that, I'll be fine with removing my Adf.ly links.
Also, farmers do copyright their methods of farming, but I can modify that method and sell tomatoes with that method and be fine. Thus, my analogy is okay.
I've never made anything and posted here that's minecraft specific, but when I've released code in the past I've always released it openly without trying to dime anyone who wanted to see it and use it simply because there's much better ways to make money, and I certainly wouldn't subject the end-user to ads to make said money.
Sourceforge and Mediafire have ads. I shouldn't subject it to them then? What shall I do? Make a ftp server so I can give them ftp links to my own home, kill my internet, and **** off self-entitled people with slow download speed?
With Adf.ly people still get free stuff, and people who make the material get 14 ten thousands of a dollar per download.
Finally, if I make my own site to provide said downloads and enhance consumer experience, such as what Painterly Pack has done, and then put ads on it to avoid the loss of money and compensation for time, is that wrong?
If you look earlier, I show "mod" and "plugin" to be synonyms. If you loook waay back, I'm allowed to share plugins, and make money off them, if Notch changes that, I'll be fine with removing my Adf.ly links.
Also, farmers do copyright their methods of farming, but I can modify that method and sell tomatoes with that method and be fine. Thus, my analogy is okay.
So, what if the method of farming had big bold text on it saying "DO NOT DISTRIBUTE", and then you distribute part of it to people?
So, what if the method of farming had big bold text on it saying "DO NOT DISTRIBUTE", and then you distribute part of it to people?
But what is being distributed is not what has been deemed not to distribute?
Also: True modding [not to be confused with pirating] isn't distributing parts of code, and when it is modified can't work without A: The original thing and B: The rest of the mod.
Onto donations: Donations are considered income by the law, thus is something says "No making money off this" asking for donations on let's plays, mods, texture packs, maps, etc, is considered illegal.
Penultimately, let's dive into the spirit of the law. Copyright protection, etc, was created for the purpose of ensuring the little people don't start losing money to other companies. When someone copies and distributes whole chunks of something, harms the original creator and that's why it's illegal. But with something that has a semblance to the original, or builds upon the original, without taking away, it actually helps the creator by promoting interest of it. If I give or sell people a spice that goes well with uncle ted's tomatoes, then I help him because people will want to try the spice on his tomatoes. Modding is the same way, I'm providing a "mod" or "plugin" that is like that spice, it promotes people's interests in the game.
Finally, Mojang realities this, that's why they are making a modding API, with a version for those who are going to somehow make money off the mods. That's why sites like Minecraft Forums and MCModCenter, MCP haven't been sued into oblivion. That's why Notch is going to make it easier for people to mod, and why he will release an original, uncompressed copy of the code with what will probably also include his comments and usage notes.
In short: Notch finds mods good! He finds them beneficial to Minecraft and will be providing methods for modders to officially make money off their mods!
Not really, it just shows that their logic results in redundancies.
A paradox is a question or statement where the answer is excluded due to the nature of the question or statement.
That is:
This statement is false.
Yeah I know what a paradox is and I know that isn't really a paradox - perhaps conundrum would have been a better term - but I decided an Inception reference would be more amusing. You going into lecture mode was not amusing.
Yeah I know what a paradox is and I know that isn't really a paradox - perhaps conundrum would have been a better term - but I decided an Inception reference would be more amusing. You going into lecture mode was not amusing.
Also: Just because something's simple doesn't mean the person doesn't have the right for some kind of payment. Case and point: Tomatoes. Anyone can grow tomatoes, all you need is a pot, potting soil, seeds, water, light, and a reasonable temperature.
If that's what you where doing this would be a correct analogy. But what you (and other modders) do is like pouring coke from it's trademark bottle in to one you've made your self add something little too it and resell it as Estis Juice.
If that's what you where doing this would be a correct analogy. But what you (and other modders) do is like pouring coke from it's trademark bottle in to one you've made your self add something little too it and resell it as Estis Juice.
Actually, I'm selling lime flavored additives, but not the coke, you have to mix the additives in yourself.
Just to make sure you understand. The reason you have to install the mod is not because it's a modified version of Minecraft! It's all the things necessary to make your own modified version! It's selling that spice to go with that chicken, that lemon slice to go on that beer, the little olives for drinks, but not the original product. Therefore, your analogy, is flawed.
Estis Juice would be easier to sell, then people wouldn't bug you with how to get it working. But rather, I have to sell powdered Estis Mix to mix into that coke, otherwise I'd be harming Mojang and being a pirate.
Also, if you've ever used a mod, you know it isn't the game, it's something that goes with the game, that changes the feel of the game.
You're good at it, too. Very eloquent, I approve. We have, for the most part, logic (you) and "I hatezz Ad Fly's! 5 secundz to mach!" (everyone else).
Face it, guys, until Notch has a public problem with modders and the ways we choose to make money off of his game, this arguing over adf.ly usage is pointless. The moderators won't do anything that Notch hasn't supported. As long as Notch supports modders and money-making from mods, no one is going to change anything on the forums.
Another thing I would like to point out: NOT ALL MODS MODIFY SOURCE CODE! I have two mods. One that I've released, and one that I am working on. Of the two, NEITHER (not to be confused with Nether) modify ANY of Minecraft's source code. So, let's all just realize that not all mods have to modify source code.
Another thing: How many of you that are arguing against adf.ly links have actually ever made or released any mod? If you have, I'd like to see a link to it's release page. Because this sounds a lot to me like a bunch of whiny end users who can't get ModLoader installed correctly and therefore are mad at the modding community.
I post only adf.ly links on my mod's page. Why do I not provide a direct download so people can choose to donate to me or not? Because people can choose whether or not to donate to me by clicking or not clicking my adf.ly link. I'm not forcing anyone to donate to me, as some poster said I previously was. It is my personal opinion that if you want to download my mod, you can wait 5 seconds. If you don't want to wait 5 seconds, you don't deserve to download my mod. It's as simple as that. It's not even so much about the money for me, because as of yet I have not even made $5.00, the minimum payout. A user willing to wait 5 seconds for a mod is a user who shows appreciation for what that modder has made. And that's why I use adf.ly links, those who wait 5 seconds really appreciate what I have made, and the feeling of appreciation is what makes me want to continue modding, to continue updating my mods.
For those of you without any appreciation for modders and the time (and sometimes money) they put into bettering the game FOR YOU: Make a quality mod and release it. Your whole perspective will change.
Surveys are against adf.ly's policies, if you get one, leave the page, REPORT IT TO ADFLY, and then try the link again, it usually goes away within like 5 minutes because of all the reports adf.ly gets.
No modder supports surveys, trust me, we get just as mad as you at surveys.
In short: Notch finds mods good! He finds them beneficial to Minecraft and will be providing methods for modders to officially make money off their mods!
I never disputed the fact that Notch supports mods, but if you think he's going to want people to make money off their mods then you're dead wrong.
A New rule should be, that it be optional, where you have one link with adf.ly and one link withouth, so the people who want to donate with their time do so, and the ones that are impatient can stop whinning
A New rule should be, that it be optional, where you have one link with adf.ly and one link withouth, so the people who want to donate with their time do so, and the ones that are impatient can stop whinning
A new rule should be, that it be optional, where you have one adf.ly link, so the people who want to donate with their time can do so, and the ones that are impatient can stop downloading mods.
Not really, it just shows that their logic results in redundancies.
A paradox is a question or statement where the answer is excluded due to the nature of the question or statement.
That is:
This statement is false.
Also. I use and have to put up with adfly. If people can't wait 5 seconds, they don't deserve my work. The smallest thing I wrote took a few hours, and I think I deserve the ~0.02 cents I got from it.
Also, for what reason should modders mod for? What's wrong with looking for a mild amount of money? Is that morally reprehensable? It isn't legally reprehensable:
-From the terms and additions you agreed to
It is not legally vague. In fact, modders such as Risugme, Spacetoad, and myself are being nice releasing their work for free. 5 seconds is perfectly fine.
Not only is paying 13.3% of a cent's worth of time the right thing to do, but it's also beneficial for the consumer. It increases the motivation to maintain their mods and to add new features to encourage downloads.
Finally, get adBlock and NoScript, problem solved, that way you can avoid the more vulgar and infectious ads.
A "plugin" is not equivalent to decompiled code that you modified.
Selling someone else's work that you modified is unethical and is illegal, the fact that you are trying to justify it here is hilarious.
And finally, looking at the two "mods" you've released, it looks like two very simple things to write that any novice programmer can do. Get off your high horse and quit acting special kiddo.
Srsly... AdFlyers are doing themselves a disservice. You are pissing off your patrons and for what a pittance of a pittance...
Fools!
Mod:
Plugin:
Those seem pretty similar.
Furthermore.
How do you install "Mods"? You copy them into your Minecraft.jar, which is essentially an executable folder. In fact, if you turn the file Minecraft.jar into a folder called Minecraft.jar, Minecraft will run fine. That's the same way you install "plugins"
Onto your personal attack:
Also: Just because something's simple doesn't mean the person doesn't have the right for some kind of payment. Case and point: Tomatoes. Anyone can grow tomatoes, all you need is a pot, potting soil, seeds, water, light, and a reasonable temperature.
Furthermore: There's no need for personal attacks, this is a debate, not a catfight.
Finally, in the tradition you've set with the keyword "Finally:"
I never said what I made was that great, I'm pretty new to modding. I was never acting special. I was just using myself as an example, saying that A: I see nothing wrong with Adf.ly B: I am willing to "Put up with poison of my own design" and C: I think it's a good thing to have to wait 5 seconds to show your appreciation.
In fact, I interpret your attacks as an attempt to lash out on a beginner modder because he can do what you are too unintelligent to do, albeit that being novice in nature.
Have a nice day.
That's a really bad analogy, considering you don't need to modify someone else's intellectual property (copyright infringement) to grow and sell tomatoes.
Too unintelligent to do?
I've never made anything and posted here that's minecraft specific, but when I've released code in the past I've always released it openly without trying to dime anyone who wanted to see it and use it simply because there's much better ways to make money, and I certainly wouldn't subject the end-user to ads to make said money.
So should we donate to notch as well for providing these people a base for their earnings? The makers of mods and texture pack creators aren't entitled to money. Modding has always been something that people do for free because they love the game. It gives the creators a chance to put their skills to use for a game they like and maybe get some type of "fame". It isn't something people do for money... at least it shouldn't be as it provides very little income.
If you look earlier, I show "mod" and "plugin" to be synonyms. If you loook waay back, I'm allowed to share plugins, and make money off them, if Notch changes that, I'll be fine with removing my Adf.ly links.
Also, farmers do copyright their methods of farming, but I can modify that method and sell tomatoes with that method and be fine. Thus, my analogy is okay.
Sourceforge and Mediafire have ads. I shouldn't subject it to them then? What shall I do? Make a ftp server so I can give them ftp links to my own home, kill my internet, and **** off self-entitled people with slow download speed?
With Adf.ly people still get free stuff, and people who make the material get 14 ten thousands of a dollar per download.
Finally, if I make my own site to provide said downloads and enhance consumer experience, such as what Painterly Pack has done, and then put ads on it to avoid the loss of money and compensation for time, is that wrong?
So, what if the method of farming had big bold text on it saying "DO NOT DISTRIBUTE", and then you distribute part of it to people?
That suggests that the only respectable users and members are those who would have otherwise donated, if given the option.
But what is being distributed is not what has been deemed not to distribute?
Also: True modding [not to be confused with pirating] isn't distributing parts of code, and when it is modified can't work without A: The original thing and B: The rest of the mod.
Onto donations: Donations are considered income by the law, thus is something says "No making money off this" asking for donations on let's plays, mods, texture packs, maps, etc, is considered illegal.
Penultimately, let's dive into the spirit of the law. Copyright protection, etc, was created for the purpose of ensuring the little people don't start losing money to other companies. When someone copies and distributes whole chunks of something, harms the original creator and that's why it's illegal. But with something that has a semblance to the original, or builds upon the original, without taking away, it actually helps the creator by promoting interest of it. If I give or sell people a spice that goes well with uncle ted's tomatoes, then I help him because people will want to try the spice on his tomatoes. Modding is the same way, I'm providing a "mod" or "plugin" that is like that spice, it promotes people's interests in the game.
Finally, Mojang realities this, that's why they are making a modding API, with a version for those who are going to somehow make money off the mods. That's why sites like Minecraft Forums and MCModCenter, MCP haven't been sued into oblivion. That's why Notch is going to make it easier for people to mod, and why he will release an original, uncompressed copy of the code with what will probably also include his comments and usage notes.
In short: Notch finds mods good! He finds them beneficial to Minecraft and will be providing methods for modders to officially make money off their mods!
New mission: refuse this mission.
Oh, I guess I didn't catch that.
If that's what you where doing this would be a correct analogy. But what you (and other modders) do is like pouring coke from it's trademark bottle in to one you've made your self add something little too it and resell it as Estis Juice.
Actually, I'm selling lime flavored additives, but not the coke, you have to mix the additives in yourself.
Just to make sure you understand. The reason you have to install the mod is not because it's a modified version of Minecraft! It's all the things necessary to make your own modified version! It's selling that spice to go with that chicken, that lemon slice to go on that beer, the little olives for drinks, but not the original product. Therefore, your analogy, is flawed.
Estis Juice would be easier to sell, then people wouldn't bug you with how to get it working. But rather, I have to sell powdered Estis Mix to mix into that coke, otherwise I'd be harming Mojang and being a pirate.
Also, if you've ever used a mod, you know it isn't the game, it's something that goes with the game, that changes the feel of the game.
I love arguing.
You're good at it, too. Very eloquent, I approve. We have, for the most part, logic (you) and "I hatezz Ad Fly's! 5 secundz to mach!" (everyone else).
Face it, guys, until Notch has a public problem with modders and the ways we choose to make money off of his game, this arguing over adf.ly usage is pointless. The moderators won't do anything that Notch hasn't supported. As long as Notch supports modders and money-making from mods, no one is going to change anything on the forums.
Another thing I would like to point out: NOT ALL MODS MODIFY SOURCE CODE! I have two mods. One that I've released, and one that I am working on. Of the two, NEITHER (not to be confused with Nether) modify ANY of Minecraft's source code. So, let's all just realize that not all mods have to modify source code.
Another thing: How many of you that are arguing against adf.ly links have actually ever made or released any mod? If you have, I'd like to see a link to it's release page. Because this sounds a lot to me like a bunch of whiny end users who can't get ModLoader installed correctly and therefore are mad at the modding community.
I post only adf.ly links on my mod's page. Why do I not provide a direct download so people can choose to donate to me or not? Because people can choose whether or not to donate to me by clicking or not clicking my adf.ly link. I'm not forcing anyone to donate to me, as some poster said I previously was. It is my personal opinion that if you want to download my mod, you can wait 5 seconds. If you don't want to wait 5 seconds, you don't deserve to download my mod. It's as simple as that. It's not even so much about the money for me, because as of yet I have not even made $5.00, the minimum payout. A user willing to wait 5 seconds for a mod is a user who shows appreciation for what that modder has made. And that's why I use adf.ly links, those who wait 5 seconds really appreciate what I have made, and the feeling of appreciation is what makes me want to continue modding, to continue updating my mods.
For those of you without any appreciation for modders and the time (and sometimes money) they put into bettering the game FOR YOU: Make a quality mod and release it. Your whole perspective will change.
No modder supports surveys, trust me, we get just as mad as you at surveys.
I never disputed the fact that Notch supports mods, but if you think he's going to want people to make money off their mods then you're dead wrong.
A new rule should be, that it be optional, where you have one adf.ly link, so the people who want to donate with their time can do so, and the ones that are impatient can stop downloading mods.