People understandably don't want to make a second account to use a forum about something entirely unrelated to Twitch. No other forums does that.
It can be many reasons, really.
For some, including me, the forums have been declining in quality, and the whole Twitch thing was kind of the final breaking point, I'd imagine Twitch would want to make some changes to the forums if they're going all out with it, I really don't have any faith in those changes being good, either not really mattering or being overall terrible.
Others it's probably just a bias against twitch, with or without good reason. It's a pretty big company, and many people view big companies as generally bad or "evil", which is also understandable due to the behavior of a large portion of them.
Also possible that people just don't want to merge. There's weren't really any really good reasons provided for the merge, so I can see the hate against it.
Everyone has their own reasons, there happens to be a lot of them, so that's why it's kind of turning into a big deal.
Personally I feel it's not that big of a deal, but I'm already kind of over the forums and don't use them, so that's probably why I don't care as much.
People understandably don't want to make a second account to use a forum about something entirely unrelated to Twitch. No other forums does that.
It can be many reasons, really.
For some, including me, the forums have been declining in quality, and the whole Twitch thing was kind of the final breaking point, I'd imagine Twitch would want to make some changes to the forums if they're going all out with it, I really don't have any faith in those changes being good, either not really mattering or being overall terrible.
Members of this forum previously required a Curse account, think of this as a swap from Curse accounts (which no longer exist) to Twitch accounts.
This forum has been owned by Twitch for over a year now and they have had no say in the forum management, the only change has been this switch from Curse accounts to Twitch accounts which was a necessity as Curse accounts do not exist anymore.
I'm not really understanding why people are so upset about this switch. It seems to me to be almost exactly the same as when Curse became the owners of the Minecraft Forum and switched it from using the forums own account system to using the Curse account system -- the old accounts went away and the Curse accounts became the standard. People are talking as if they are now going to have to fumble around with two usernames/passwords instead of one, which simply is not going to be the case, since the old system is disappearing.
I do understand that a few people might be upset because of username conflicts between the Curse and Twitch account systems (where they might have to pick a different Twitch account), but I would think that very few people would have that issue, unless they had a common/simple/popular username.
My understanding is that many people do not want to have a twitch account because they do not like or use twitch. I find the reasoning rather silly, considering having a twitch account to log in here does not mean one is obligated to use the twitch streaming site. citricsquid explained the benefits of the switch clearly within the article announcing it but people will be people.
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Regardless of whether Twitch is a contributor, there is something very wrong with these forums; as I showed here activity in Survival Mode, one of the most popular subforums, has declined by more than 97% (a 30-fold reduction) in recent years, with other once-popular subforums showing similar declines (there has been no noticeable acceleration in recent months, or since Twitch bought Curse last year); not many seem interested in the "Better Together"/Bedrock/Minecraft edition either despite having the largest playerbase of any edition - all the while Mojang says that the game is selling more copies and has more users than ever, and Google does not suggest that there is a major competitor to the forums (all I found were some forums for servers, Planet Minecraft, which is also similarly declining, and Reddit, which does not provide the same environment that a forum does; for example, I have not seen long-running threads like Survival journals or mods there. All this is likely one reason why people say that the game is dying despite official stats saying otherwise since hardly anybody talks about it anymore).
Regardless of whether Twitch is a contributor, there is something very wrong with these forums.
The shrinking popularity of this forum is not caused by this forum, it's a consequence of the evolving Minecraft ecosystem. At this forum's popularity peak the way people played Minecraft differed greatly from the way that it is played now, the role websites played in the Minecraft ecosystem differed greatly too. As the game has evolved, so has the ecosystem. You can see this reflected in the traffic of this website, the Minecraft Wiki, and many other major Minecraft websites. The fall in traffic here is not unique to this forum. Furthermore, it's important to understand that discussion about Minecraft has always been a minority here, this forum was primarily driven by players looking for content and some of those people stuck around to discuss Minecraft. Fewer people here for content means fewer people here to discuss the game, and those that do stick around have less and less to talk about.
At the peak of Minecraft's popularity amongst PC players, the game was very different: a player needed this forum and a player needed the wiki to be able to play the game. Since then the ecosystem has evolved substantially, players are not dependent on this forum or the wiki anymore.
The way that console players exist within the wider gaming community differs from the way PC players exist within the gaming community too, check out any website focused towards console games, and even the most successful have very little in the way of forum discussion: that's just not what console players want. For example, futhead (another Curse website) is a website about the console game FIFA. The website's traffic is approaching an order of magnitude more than the traffic to this website, yet their forum is less popular than ours.
At the peak of Minecraft's popularity amongst PC players, the game was very different: a player needed this forum and a player needed the wiki to be able to play the game. Since then the ecosystem has evolved substantially, players are not dependent on this forum or the wiki anymore.
I'm not talking about people asking for help; what about those who just like talking about what they have done; for example, Survival journals, which are basically extinct; a couple of my own journals have probably contributed to a majority of all such discussion this year, and certainly, I don't recall seeing any with regular activity. I also do not believe that nobody at all plays Survival anymore; Mojang's own stats from a couple years ago (well into the decline on the forums) still showed that a majority of players played singleplayer and most of those likely played Survival based on the relative activity (overall) in the Survival vs Creative subforums. The higher activity in the server sections also doens't necessarily mean anything - even in August 2011 (link below) there were already more posts under servers than Survival Mode has right now, and "Survival Mode" doesn't necessarily just pertain to singleplayer; likewise, while the modding section has also always been more popular most players likely play vanilla (including mods like Optifine).
I mean, even if only one in a million players (Mojang claimed there were 55 million active users as of earlier this year) kept a Survival journal you'd see around 55 active across all subforums, then there are all of the other threads which are not really long enough to be called a journal (e.g. discussing a single thing instead of everything they've done in a world), which are also much less common. There are also always new players buying the game and the rate of of new members joining the forums is still pretty healthy (265684 since since October 12, 2016; for comparison, up to mid-August 2011 the forums gained members at a rate of around 305146 per year. Even if many older members have become inactive this indicates there should be a healthy number of active members).
I'm not talking about people asking for help; what about those who just like talking about what they have done.
When I refer to players needing the forum I'm referring to it being an essential part of playing the game. From 2010 - 2013, the Minecraft Forum and Minecraft Wiki were regularly mentioned in news articles, tv segments and youtube videos as places that were essential viewing for Minecraft players: where you'd learn to play the game, where you'd find new content for the game, where you'd find out news, where you'd discuss the game... nowadays, Minecraft has evolved. The majority of players are playing on non-pc devices, and even the PC version of the game has a recipe book and advancements and all the things a player needs, within the game. As a player of Minecraft, you can enjoy the game without ever visiting this forum or the Minecraft Wiki.
Most people don't wake up one day and decide they're going to join a forum about a subject they're interested in, instead their interest in that subject drives them to forums related to that subject, and then the more time they spend on these forums the more likely they are to take part in discussion, and then as they take part in more discussions they return to the forum more until it becomes part of their regular internet usage.
During the early years of Minecraft a player would come to the forum and wiki every single day out of necessity, which led to significant participation in the forum. During the early years of Minecraft, the game was constantly evolving, it was a unique game, the likes of which had never seen before at this scale: in both the way the game was played and the way the game was developed. This was a huge component in the success of this forum: this forum wasn't successful because it was a forum about a popular game, it was successful because it was about Minecraft. There are many other games that were at one point or another as popular as Minecraft, games like Grand Theft Auto, and their forums have never been nearly as popular as this forum was at peak.
This incredible popularity of this forum was an outlier in the world of online single game communities, this forum's popularity was something that had never been seen before and will probably never be seen again. You can't compare the popularity of the forum now (relative to the popularity of Minecraft) with the popularity of the forum at peak.
This issue is really stupid. It's pretty much exactly like Microsoft buying Mojang. Big company that has done things people don't like buys company people like; people assume that the big business is going to ruin the little guy; people blow their gaskets; in reality, the big company is smart enought to let the little company run itself.
Just like Microsoft doesn't mess with Mojang, Twitch has been doing a really good job of leaving this forum alone. Twitch has owned Curse (and thus the forum) for around a year and has done relatively little with it.
"Anyone else having Deja vu? Oh, well."
Twitch has been running Curse for a good while. Which means that every user of this forum has, in essence, had a Twitch account ever since Twitch bought the forum. By creating one, you simply acknowledge that fact.
All I'm saying is that as long as Twitch doesn't mess with us, there's really no reason to bail. This forum has a really great (perhaps wilting) community and there are certain people who are leaving whom I'm really going to miss.
Because it's sole purpose is to turn the users into products in order to make money. There are better ways to monetize things than shady big data practices.
What?
Ok, I'm really tired right now, so I might not be comprehending what you say, but you are not required to purchase anything for this merger. And don't even begin to preach big data. You are posting on an online forum. You are supporting "big data" with your very post.
Personally, I have no problem with the twitch merger. I never use twitch, but it's not like I have to remember anything extra. Twitch isn't going to force me to get Twitch Prime, watch streams, or do anything to use this site. Twitch wants to (understandably) have people use twitch to log in to the forum. this is exactly like when Curse bought the forum and had people use Curse accounts.
I was a little annoyed with this change. My reasons:
In October the section of introductions and farewells there were more farewells than presentations. During that month I was very active there trying to help people from the Twitch business, while the Administrators and Moderators did not help anyone, in fact Lord_Ralex deleted a message from me encouraging a person about the issue. I was against the Staff for a while and I still am, I get along well with Citricsquid and with KioriBug but I am against the Staff for everything I said.
This is my opinion
Why is everyone saying they're going to leave just because of this whole twitch-merging business?
People understandably don't want to make a second account to use a forum about something entirely unrelated to Twitch. No other forums does that.
It can be many reasons, really.
For some, including me, the forums have been declining in quality, and the whole Twitch thing was kind of the final breaking point, I'd imagine Twitch would want to make some changes to the forums if they're going all out with it, I really don't have any faith in those changes being good, either not really mattering or being overall terrible.
Others it's probably just a bias against twitch, with or without good reason. It's a pretty big company, and many people view big companies as generally bad or "evil", which is also understandable due to the behavior of a large portion of them.
Also possible that people just don't want to merge. There's weren't really any really good reasons provided for the merge, so I can see the hate against it.
Everyone has their own reasons, there happens to be a lot of them, so that's why it's kind of turning into a big deal.
Personally I feel it's not that big of a deal, but I'm already kind of over the forums and don't use them, so that's probably why I don't care as much.
Members of this forum previously required a Curse account, think of this as a swap from Curse accounts (which no longer exist) to Twitch accounts.
This forum has been owned by Twitch for over a year now and they have had no say in the forum management, the only change has been this switch from Curse accounts to Twitch accounts which was a necessity as Curse accounts do not exist anymore.
I'm not really understanding why people are so upset about this switch. It seems to me to be almost exactly the same as when Curse became the owners of the Minecraft Forum and switched it from using the forums own account system to using the Curse account system -- the old accounts went away and the Curse accounts became the standard. People are talking as if they are now going to have to fumble around with two usernames/passwords instead of one, which simply is not going to be the case, since the old system is disappearing.
I do understand that a few people might be upset because of username conflicts between the Curse and Twitch account systems (where they might have to pick a different Twitch account), but I would think that very few people would have that issue, unless they had a common/simple/popular username.
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My understanding is that many people do not want to have a twitch account because they do not like or use twitch. I find the reasoning rather silly, considering having a twitch account to log in here does not mean one is obligated to use the twitch streaming site. citricsquid explained the benefits of the switch clearly within the article announcing it but people will be people.
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Regardless of whether Twitch is a contributor, there is something very wrong with these forums; as I showed here activity in Survival Mode, one of the most popular subforums, has declined by more than 97% (a 30-fold reduction) in recent years, with other once-popular subforums showing similar declines (there has been no noticeable acceleration in recent months, or since Twitch bought Curse last year); not many seem interested in the "Better Together"/Bedrock/Minecraft edition either despite having the largest playerbase of any edition - all the while Mojang says that the game is selling more copies and has more users than ever, and Google does not suggest that there is a major competitor to the forums (all I found were some forums for servers, Planet Minecraft, which is also similarly declining, and Reddit, which does not provide the same environment that a forum does; for example, I have not seen long-running threads like Survival journals or mods there. All this is likely one reason why people say that the game is dying despite official stats saying otherwise since hardly anybody talks about it anymore).
TheMasterCaver's First World - possibly the most caved-out world in Minecraft history - includes world download.
TheMasterCaver's World - my own version of Minecraft largely based on my views of how the game should have evolved since 1.6.4.
Why do I still play in 1.6.4?
The shrinking popularity of this forum is not caused by this forum, it's a consequence of the evolving Minecraft ecosystem. At this forum's popularity peak the way people played Minecraft differed greatly from the way that it is played now, the role websites played in the Minecraft ecosystem differed greatly too. As the game has evolved, so has the ecosystem. You can see this reflected in the traffic of this website, the Minecraft Wiki, and many other major Minecraft websites. The fall in traffic here is not unique to this forum. Furthermore, it's important to understand that discussion about Minecraft has always been a minority here, this forum was primarily driven by players looking for content and some of those people stuck around to discuss Minecraft. Fewer people here for content means fewer people here to discuss the game, and those that do stick around have less and less to talk about.
At the peak of Minecraft's popularity amongst PC players, the game was very different: a player needed this forum and a player needed the wiki to be able to play the game. Since then the ecosystem has evolved substantially, players are not dependent on this forum or the wiki anymore.
The way that console players exist within the wider gaming community differs from the way PC players exist within the gaming community too, check out any website focused towards console games, and even the most successful have very little in the way of forum discussion: that's just not what console players want. For example, futhead (another Curse website) is a website about the console game FIFA. The website's traffic is approaching an order of magnitude more than the traffic to this website, yet their forum is less popular than ours.
I'm not talking about people asking for help; what about those who just like talking about what they have done; for example, Survival journals, which are basically extinct; a couple of my own journals have probably contributed to a majority of all such discussion this year, and certainly, I don't recall seeing any with regular activity. I also do not believe that nobody at all plays Survival anymore; Mojang's own stats from a couple years ago (well into the decline on the forums) still showed that a majority of players played singleplayer and most of those likely played Survival based on the relative activity (overall) in the Survival vs Creative subforums. The higher activity in the server sections also doens't necessarily mean anything - even in August 2011 (link below) there were already more posts under servers than Survival Mode has right now, and "Survival Mode" doesn't necessarily just pertain to singleplayer; likewise, while the modding section has also always been more popular most players likely play vanilla (including mods like Optifine).
I mean, even if only one in a million players (Mojang claimed there were 55 million active users as of earlier this year) kept a Survival journal you'd see around 55 active across all subforums, then there are all of the other threads which are not really long enough to be called a journal (e.g. discussing a single thing instead of everything they've done in a world), which are also much less common. There are also always new players buying the game and the rate of of new members joining the forums is still pretty healthy (265684 since since October 12, 2016; for comparison, up to mid-August 2011 the forums gained members at a rate of around 305146 per year. Even if many older members have become inactive this indicates there should be a healthy number of active members).
TheMasterCaver's First World - possibly the most caved-out world in Minecraft history - includes world download.
TheMasterCaver's World - my own version of Minecraft largely based on my views of how the game should have evolved since 1.6.4.
Why do I still play in 1.6.4?
When I refer to players needing the forum I'm referring to it being an essential part of playing the game. From 2010 - 2013, the Minecraft Forum and Minecraft Wiki were regularly mentioned in news articles, tv segments and youtube videos as places that were essential viewing for Minecraft players: where you'd learn to play the game, where you'd find new content for the game, where you'd find out news, where you'd discuss the game... nowadays, Minecraft has evolved. The majority of players are playing on non-pc devices, and even the PC version of the game has a recipe book and advancements and all the things a player needs, within the game. As a player of Minecraft, you can enjoy the game without ever visiting this forum or the Minecraft Wiki.
Most people don't wake up one day and decide they're going to join a forum about a subject they're interested in, instead their interest in that subject drives them to forums related to that subject, and then the more time they spend on these forums the more likely they are to take part in discussion, and then as they take part in more discussions they return to the forum more until it becomes part of their regular internet usage.
During the early years of Minecraft a player would come to the forum and wiki every single day out of necessity, which led to significant participation in the forum. During the early years of Minecraft, the game was constantly evolving, it was a unique game, the likes of which had never seen before at this scale: in both the way the game was played and the way the game was developed. This was a huge component in the success of this forum: this forum wasn't successful because it was a forum about a popular game, it was successful because it was about Minecraft. There are many other games that were at one point or another as popular as Minecraft, games like Grand Theft Auto, and their forums have never been nearly as popular as this forum was at peak.
This incredible popularity of this forum was an outlier in the world of online single game communities, this forum's popularity was something that had never been seen before and will probably never be seen again. You can't compare the popularity of the forum now (relative to the popularity of Minecraft) with the popularity of the forum at peak.
This issue is really stupid. It's pretty much exactly like Microsoft buying Mojang. Big company that has done things people don't like buys company people like; people assume that the big business is going to ruin the little guy; people blow their gaskets; in reality, the big company is smart enought to let the little company run itself.
Just like Microsoft doesn't mess with Mojang, Twitch has been doing a really good job of leaving this forum alone. Twitch has owned Curse (and thus the forum) for around a year and has done relatively little with it.
"Anyone else having Deja vu? Oh, well."
Twitch has been running Curse for a good while. Which means that every user of this forum has, in essence, had a Twitch account ever since Twitch bought the forum. By creating one, you simply acknowledge that fact.
All I'm saying is that as long as Twitch doesn't mess with us, there's really no reason to bail. This forum has a really great (perhaps wilting) community and there are certain people who are leaving whom I'm really going to miss.
Ciao.
What?
Ok, I'm really tired right now, so I might not be comprehending what you say, but you are not required to purchase anything for this merger. And don't even begin to preach big data. You are posting on an online forum. You are supporting "big data" with your very post.
Personally, I have no problem with the twitch merger. I never use twitch, but it's not like I have to remember anything extra. Twitch isn't going to force me to get Twitch Prime, watch streams, or do anything to use this site. Twitch wants to (understandably) have people use twitch to log in to the forum. this is exactly like when Curse bought the forum and had people use Curse accounts.
In October the section of introductions and farewells there were more farewells than presentations. During that month I was very active there trying to help people from the Twitch business, while the Administrators and Moderators did not help anyone, in fact Lord_Ralex deleted a message from me encouraging a person about the issue. I was against the Staff for a while and I still am, I get along well with Citricsquid and with KioriBug but I am against the Staff for everything I said.
This is my opinion