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Quote from Random_Guy_32

Singleplayer and Multiplayer are now the same thing. You can even use the /seed command if you are not allowed to use commands.

Well, No, SSP and SMP are simply much closer than before, but they are not the same thing.

There is a single player server, and a client/server split. But the single player server is not quite the same as the multiplayer server.

Quote from Random_Guy_32

Or maybe you could craft chains. But I like it how it works at the moment. Nevertheless chainmail armor is not that useful. It just looks different.

Ohh, nice idea. Maybe one iron ingot can be turned into 6 chains? That would mean 4 iron ores (one vein) yields one set of chainmail.

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Chain is stronger than leather, weaker than iron.

The real problems:

1. Leather armor is too hard to get. Seriously, do you need to kill 20 cows to get enough leather to cover one person?
2. Chain armor is too hard to get. Seriously, you have to first find a village, and then farm up something to trade to them.

It is too easy to just mine iron; it is too hard to get leather or chain. By the time you can get Leather/Chain, you've already gotten iron.

That's the fundamental problem. For adventure maps, where you cannot mine, and have to kill cows, or trade with the right villager? That's good.

For normal survival? Iron tops everything until diamond. That's the flaw.

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For #1, elsewhere I gave the idea of a cow dropping rawhide instead of leather; rawhide could be worked ("smelted", in-game) to yield leather. Baby cows drop one rawhide, adults drop 2-3, each rawhide turns into multiple leathers. If 2 adults give you 5 rawhide, and each rawhide turns into 5 leather, that's one suit of armor from 2 cows -- much more sensible than "Farm wheat, grow a herd, slaughter the entire herd for one starter armor suit.".

For #2, I've mentioned that traders should seek you out, and charge for the delivery. But that still doesn't address the whole "iron is easy to find", unless it's something like "trade 1 iron ore for 4 processed chain" or something.
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About to test 26a on my PPC machine, will report back later today if I don't lose internet. (Again :-).

Testing 26a on a PPC mac, J5:

First: The server is throttled. I'm using What's My Light Level, and the game clock does not run faster than the client can handle. When the client has major lag, the game clock stops. All good.

Second: The responsiveness seems around what 1.1 was before I installed Optifine. Horrible. But that's OF's job.

Third: A killing spree, killing off at least 80 chickens, at least 30 sheep, and at least 3 cows -- all the passive mobs I could find -- did improve responsiveness noticeable. But not sufficiently. Optifine will be needed.

Mojang: Can you please check to make sure you are forcing the OpenGL drivers to display every frame (instead of throwing 2/3rds away), that you have a tiny pause between frames for input to process, and that your video processing does not have higher priority than user input?

Fourth: When paused, in cave, not doing anything, WMLL reports 20+ FPS. But as soon as I leave the menu and return to the game, it drops to 1-2 FPS. In a simple cave (C: 20), not paused, standing still, it went around 11 to 17 fps standing still.

Fifth: PPC's are still giving torchlight from the sky and sun/moon skylight from torches. I'm still under the belief that this is a byteswap issue.

Sixth: I could not get the server side to die. I don't know what the client side responsiveness is by itself.

This testing was in peaceful. So I know that a lot of mobs just weren't there. And I had to remove a bunch manually.

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We have throttled the server!

Now the server does not run faster than client X can handle. Good.

Now let us tell the server "Don't just throttle to client X, let me add client Y and Z to the throttle list". For "Open to LAN", that should default to all machines. And if Hamachi works as a LAN, that's probably good enough for release 1.3.

But for 1.4, I'm looking at a bigger want. Keep in mind, single player multiplayer is not the same as multiplayer multiplayer. So lets get the throttle to client feature working in multiplayer multiplayer as well.

Or, I'll just have to leave a GUI and client running at all time, in a safe room, but then ** NO ONE ELSE ON THE SERVER CAN SLEEP **.

If I have a single player game open to a Hamachi LAN, and others are playing when I'm not there, then they cannot sleep.

SMP (single multiplayer) and MMP (multi multiplayer) are not the same.

We need better initials :-)

Storage blocks and client/server split:

"Shelf" is a mod by Risugami. It lets you have visible display shelves in single player, where you can see what's on the shelf without having to open up a chest.

In old single player, the client knows what's in furnaces, chests, etc, without having to open them first.
In new single player, the client does not know what's in any storage block until that block is accessed.

So any form of display storage is a failure currently in multiplayer.