Thats great for those who use Bukkit for the other part of the community, yes it exists- this means Doom. i'm sure alot of mod creators will not port their mods since they want to save their hassle to do so, you'll see... so i dont know what i should think of this. Congratulations i guess - kind off
I don't like this at all. This is basically the death knell of the Minecraft community, along with most SMP servers. The proposed API is set to be closed-source, which kills the community aspect completely (and it's not like Bukkit ever gave a damn about the community either, what with their history of ignoring and neglecting the users of their product). That leaves the Spout project as the only viable option for most people who want to run a multiplayer server, and there's a very good chance that Mojang will shut them down to avoid competition, claiming it as a "benefit for the users". For the near future, 1.2 will be the end of Bukkit. For the long term, this could potentially mean the downfall of Minecraft entirely, depending on how the new API turns out.
Either way, the best case scenario is that the community will die (or fracture if Spout is permitted to live), and the next three to six months will be a bigger cluster**** than ever before. Personally, as it stands now, I might just abandon Minecraft entirely, because this will certainly spell the demise of the server I help to run. I don't have enough faith in the Bukkit team to make a product that will be worth the incoming community flux and the lobotomizing of many servers.
Don't misinterpret my doomsday prophecies as me hating on Bukkit or Mojang; I hope that I'm 100% wrong on all of this. I want more than anything to see this endeavor succeed beyond my wildest dreams... but I simply cannot see that vision being anything more than a fantasy.
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I don't like this at all. This is basically the death knell of the Minecraft community, along with most SMP servers. The proposed API is set to be closed-source, which kills the community aspect completely (and it's not like Bukkit ever gave a damn about the community either, what with their history of ignoring and neglecting the users of their product). That leaves the Spout project as the only viable option for most people who want to run a multiplayer server, and there's a very good chance that Mojang will shut them down to avoid competition, claiming it as a "benefit for the users". For the near future, 1.2 will be the end of Bukkit. For the long term, this could potentially mean the downfall of Minecraft entirely, depending on how the new API turns out.
And even that doesn't look like a given. Closed-source? Single-core (which is terrible in terms of performance)? A complete dismantling of any sense of community? A total lack of communication between Bukkit/Mojang and what remains of the userbase (the former already has a great track record in that regard)? And we'll STILL have considerable delays between patch version releases and the API patch? It's feasible that I could be playing 1.4 on singleplayer mode before the 1.3 server files are ready.
Either way, the best case scenario is that the community will die (or fracture if Spout is permitted to live), and the next three to six months will be a bigger cluster**** than ever before. Personally, as it stands now, I might just abandon Minecraft entirely, because this will certainly spell the demise of the server I help to run. I don't have enough faith in the Bukkit team to make a product that will be worth the incoming community flux and the lobotomizing of many servers. For example, here is a quote from Grum speaking about the official API, taken from Spout's IRC channel:
[13:40:49] <Grum> I personally do not see much benefit in making it opensource at this moment
[13:42:03] <Grum> you dont need to opensource to have the community
[13:42:06] <Grum> see Bukkit
This sort of ignorance is what will kill Minecraft's future. It's ironic that Bukkit was created because they wanted an open source, community driven project... and now after the community props them up, they abandon it in favor of closed-source paychecks.
Don't misinterpret my doomsday prophecies as me hating on Bukkit or Mojang; I hope that I'm 100% wrong on all of this. I want more than anything to see this endeavor succeed beyond my wildest dreams... but I simply cannot see that vision being anything more than a fantasy. For now, all I can really do is wait. If this API turns out to be a failure, then we'll all be relying on Spout to serve as the flagship client for developers. And if Mojang forces Spout to shut down, then this partnership will have alienated every single one of Minecraft's SMP players.
I personally don't like this decision. Call it an old habit, but whenever a 3rd party group and a mainstream company join hands, it tends to sour quickly. Maybe this time'll be different, and I'm just being judgmental. But I personally don't like Bukkit nor do I like the idea of the entire server system and Mod API being built around Bukkit.
And essentially for your mod to be deemed 'legal' it would have to comply with a Mod API in place that you might simply not want to use. I understand this is their game and they are 100% allowed to do whatever the hell they feel like, but I just don't think pushing a common system onto everyone is very ideal.
I seriously doubt this would kill SMP.
Considering that this is one of the bigger steps in getting a Mod API [Basically this is the start of working on the SMP part of this], which is about having un-obfuscated source code for people to use, I doubt they'll make it impossible to mod Bukkit or anything.
People are sounding a bit too much like drama queens here #_#
[Well about 30% of the posts i've seen]
what people aren't seeing is that this could mean the end for some of our favorite mods. it may have already killed evil minecraft, and that's the best mod i've ever used. i don't know the details but it has something to do with the mod having to have a certain API in order to be "legal".
Either way, the best case scenario is that the community will die (or fracture if Spout is permitted to live), and the next three to six months will be a bigger cluster**** than ever before. Personally, as it stands now, I might just abandon Minecraft entirely, because this will certainly spell the demise of the server I help to run. I don't have enough faith in the Bukkit team to make a product that will be worth the incoming community flux and the lobotomizing of many servers.
Don't misinterpret my doomsday prophecies as me hating on Bukkit or Mojang; I hope that I'm 100% wrong on all of this. I want more than anything to see this endeavor succeed beyond my wildest dreams... but I simply cannot see that vision being anything more than a fantasy.
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Conrgats bukkit!
I can't wait for 1.2!
And even that doesn't look like a given. Closed-source? Single-core (which is terrible in terms of performance)? A complete dismantling of any sense of community? A total lack of communication between Bukkit/Mojang and what remains of the userbase (the former already has a great track record in that regard)? And we'll STILL have considerable delays between patch version releases and the API patch? It's feasible that I could be playing 1.4 on singleplayer mode before the 1.3 server files are ready.
Either way, the best case scenario is that the community will die (or fracture if Spout is permitted to live), and the next three to six months will be a bigger cluster**** than ever before. Personally, as it stands now, I might just abandon Minecraft entirely, because this will certainly spell the demise of the server I help to run. I don't have enough faith in the Bukkit team to make a product that will be worth the incoming community flux and the lobotomizing of many servers. For example, here is a quote from Grum speaking about the official API, taken from Spout's IRC channel:
[13:40:49] <Grum> I personally do not see much benefit in making it opensource at this moment
[13:42:03] <Grum> you dont need to opensource to have the community
[13:42:06] <Grum> see Bukkit
This sort of ignorance is what will kill Minecraft's future. It's ironic that Bukkit was created because they wanted an open source, community driven project... and now after the community props them up, they abandon it in favor of closed-source paychecks.
Don't misinterpret my doomsday prophecies as me hating on Bukkit or Mojang; I hope that I'm 100% wrong on all of this. I want more than anything to see this endeavor succeed beyond my wildest dreams... but I simply cannot see that vision being anything more than a fantasy. For now, all I can really do is wait. If this API turns out to be a failure, then we'll all be relying on Spout to serve as the flagship client for developers. And if Mojang forces Spout to shut down, then this partnership will have alienated every single one of Minecraft's SMP players.
And essentially for your mod to be deemed 'legal' it would have to comply with a Mod API in place that you might simply not want to use. I understand this is their game and they are 100% allowed to do whatever the hell they feel like, but I just don't think pushing a common system onto everyone is very ideal.
WHAT?!
Danger zone.
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Considering that this is one of the bigger steps in getting a Mod API [Basically this is the start of working on the SMP part of this], which is about having un-obfuscated source code for people to use, I doubt they'll make it impossible to mod Bukkit or anything.
People are sounding a bit too much like drama queens here #_#
[Well about 30% of the posts i've seen]