What they know about the word and how they use them is on them and the parents. Still today there are a large group of people whom hate the idea of children knowing such terms and will take offense to anyone using them nearby their children, and that's where I could see Notch being a bit upset or even embarrassed about it. Keeping things family friendly is insanely hard, in fact so insane that even I wouldn't attempt it, lol. I would put an age limit for Minecons, however then I'd get flamed because kids would roll around on the floor screaming about it, and no one wants to deal with that.
It's bad on Notch's end for both sides on this, if he goes one way he has to deal with children around adults (whether mature or immature), the other way he has to deal with screaming and upset children.
Honestly I think that the best thing to do is tell them to bring children at their own risk, like all conventions do. that way when a child hears something that the parent doesnt want them to, when the parent complains, Notch can just say "We told you bring them at your own risk. We take no responsibility for what they heard" Seems the easiest way to go about doing it, doesnt it?
Honestly I think that the best thing to do is tell them to bring children at their own risk, like all conventions do. that way when a child hears something that the parent doesnt want them to, when the parent complains, Notch can just say "We told you bring them at your own risk. We take no responsibility for what they heard" Seems the easiest way to go about doing it, doesnt it?
Or is that just me?
It seems much easier, 'cause then it would be the parent's fault if they had trouble with the idea of their children hearing some nasty words. And you know, the more I think about it, I'm sure that if a parent were really that careful about it, they would have considered that they definitely would not be the only adult around and would have had second thoughts.
Telling people something like that would definitely fix the situation, though, but sadly that's only one of many that Notch has stated about the Yogscast.
Youll notice that I made a point of saying "If this is true". Yanked around may not, and likely does not, imply the panel time. If you thought into it you would realize that there are a great many other things that have to be done when at a convention, not just a panel.
In terms of money, perhaps I was being a little too emphatic over being forced, but if you read the entire post and didnt simply stop at the first thing you could argue with, you would have seen just how much it must have cost them. Only two tickets were free, IF they got a booth. 8 people went. IF they didnt have a booth, then it was 800 dollars. If they DID have a booth, then it would have been around 1600. Now think about how much room and board was. The cheapest hotels in Vegas are not exactly cheap. I dont know where they stayed, but when my father stayed there for three nights in a cheap hotel, it cost him 200 dollars a night. So, if there were 8 people for three days, thats yes another 4800 dollars. Also, think of the plane tickets as well. I flew from my current state back to my home state, and it took me 200 dollars, three months in advance. Depending on when they bought their tickets, thats another 1600, or more.
So, right off the bat, they could have paid anything from between 7400 dollars to 8000 dollars, and thats going on the low side. Thats a lot of money to spend just to have yourself yanked around by a woman who doesnt know what shes doing, and to be forced by IGN to not actually discuss minecraft on video, under what I assume was risk of lawsuit, and god only know how much that might have cost them.
I dont know about you, but if that were the case, I think I would have good reason to be pissed off about that.
I read the whole thing-they decided to go.
"If you thought into it you would realize that there are a great many other things that have to be done when at a convention, not just a panel."
What are these other things? Between my degree and work I don't have the time or money to go to conventions.
You should check out hotel prices before basing your figures on you dads--If he paid that much a night for a cheap hotel then he got ripped off.
As for the ign crap--it's Mojangs game and their contracts.
this makes me very sad. its shocking how simon and louis could have had a negative effect on notch's view of them. this all reminds me a little bit of the movie Julie&Julia. :\
can i just ask, who here knows the full story...no-one, you all have instantly agreed with notch's twitter (bearing in mind that this could be a massive troll, this is the internet). If this is true, then yes, i will be very disappointed with the yogscast. But i've never heard of them doing anything like this before, so once again, how do you know this is true?
The Yogscast aren't even claiming to have introduced Minecraft to the world, but I don't know why everyone is denying that they've had Minecraft videos on the front page of Youtube for the entirety of this year. Yogscast was around before Minecraft and when it dies due to Notch's inability to run a company to store everyone's data on a server the Yogscast will continue to exist.
It really annoys me when these Notch fanboys think they're cool by hating on people they have 'never heard of', despite being on the front page of youtube for the whole of this year, and agreeing completely with Notch even though he hasn't even made an official statement. It's pathetic, it's childish, it undermines Notch's claim that Minecraft 'is about friendship and kindness' all I've seen on this forum is hate, biased hate based on vague tweets and what some random thought they saw/heard at MineCon.
Notch has a CEO. Get an adult to explain it to you.
I just hate people pointing out that Notch shouldn't have said anything. Rather than just not invite them like some companies would do, he is basically giving an opportunity to show some grace in how this is handled. Unorthodox? Yes, but that is why I love Notch. If Yogscast are not dicks about this I am pretty sure all will end well, aka they can agree or disagree as long as they remain reasonable and refrain from saying "FU NOTCH!!1!"
Unlike companies who keep all their inner workings secret I love have one willing to make some decisions known to see if the public can persuade against it.
You do know that notch is just trolling watch this: it'll explain most. When they talk about being in notch's body Simon says that if he were in notch's body then he'd just be trollin' and afterwards write on twitter, that he suddenly was going on a vacation.
Try to compare that with the tweets notch made and you will discover ..
I'll believe it's a joke when both sides tell me it was a joke.
I don't believe this at all..... Simon and luois seem like generally good natured people apart from the occasional swear word here and there... I'm not sure about Hannah either but I don't know **** about her so she might have been responsible. But in the case of who I trust, obviously I'm going with notch, because who are you going to believe ? The man who created minecraft itself, or a group that gained popularity out of posting videos about it. I feel really really sorry for notch, I would be flipping out if these people came to my celebration party and demands for money and insulted my guests. Personally I hope things work out in notches favor if there has to be only one party that succeds.
I suppose overall I fall down on the side of the Yogscast with the information provided so far, but I think the majority arguments posed by both sides in this thread and about fifty identical ones on this forum show a distinct lack of intelligence.
First off, most of you should probably read Total Biscuits analysis of the situation on Reddit. It pretty much echoes my opinion on the matter (although we differ on some points) and contains reasoned arguments unlike 90% of what inhabits this thread, which primarily seems to be Notch or Yogscast fanboyism. Both parties can be seen to be at fault depending on your perspective. Anyway, on to the meat of my opinion on the matter.
Remember the legal action taken by Bethesda against Mojang? This situation echoes that one in all honesty. Initial reports were that Bethesda were unfoundedly suing Mojang for calling their game 'Scrolls' because it was, to quote much less savoury games journalism, "too similar" to the name of the Elder Scrolls series. This belief was compounded by Notch's reaction to the lawsuit online - at no stage did he decide to reveal the fact that actually the legal dispute arose over the attempt by Mojang to trademark the word 'Scrolls'. Now that's a whole different ball park, and in that instance, Mojang is definitely in the wrong. Attempting to trademark a common word just screams of EDGE Games and the idiocy surrounding Tim Langdell's aggressive pursuit of complete ownership over the word "Edge" when related to gaming. Bethesda was right in that situation, and by legally challenging Mojang's decision was simply trying to prevent one company gaining ownership of a noun.
How is this relevant? Once again the only information which is causing controversy so far is being provided by Notch via twitter, and once again people are making huge leaps of judgement from what is, of course, one source; and one very overworked and [most likely] very irritable source too. Add on to that the fact that Notch seems to have a tendency to omit various details from these kinds of situations (look no further than the lawsuit described above) and you can clearly see that to throw stupid anger in the direction of the Yogscast is naive and stupid at this stage.
On to the point about Yogscast demanding payment. The details on this are very unclear at the moment; and I've seen several people assume that the Yogscast turned up under the pretence of going for free and then later unfairly demanding payment. If this was the case, then of course both Simon and Lewis are at fault. However, do any of us actually know that's the case - have we heard the full story - or are a number of the more immature members of this forum just making assumptions so that they can throw hate in that general direction. My opinion on this particular dispute will be based on actually finding out what happened, so I'll hold off on it for now. What I will say is this - if Notch is implying (and of course we don't know this) that people who have had such an influence on the community do not deserve to be paid, then he is wrong. By all means, I think they should have turned up on condition they get paid in the first place. This is their livelihood, in case anyone has forgotten, and as several people (notably John Bain) have stated, you have no requirement to turn up free of charge to a major event and support a company when it is essentially your job. Any implication that in general getting paid for these kind of events is inherently wrong is stupid, and you'd do well to consider yourself in a situation where that is your job.
On the subject of the swearing; again, I think a lot of people need to read before spouting off. And I quote:
"A kid wanted them to sign something I had signed, and they said they'd cross it out and put "f*** you" there instead."
That's what Notch wrote, which a minority of people took to mean:
"The Yogscast took a kids autograph, crossed out Notch's name and wrote "f*** you" instead."
Which is clearly not the case. The ethics of this are convoluted, but in essence the Yogscast are demonstrating a distinctly British style of humour. To watch their videos expecting the attitudes and morals of people who live most likely thousands of miles away from you are going to be identical to your own is pretty egotistical. On top of that you have the fact that, as many have mentioned, Yogscast videos generally contain a large amount of foul language anyway. Their demographic hears it on Youtube regardless of your pittance that it's unacceptable, and to be quite honest, I'm pretty certain that those of you older than about 7 have sworn yourselves.
The Minecraft community in general isn't about "respecting and caring" either. It largely consists of narcissistic children who disregard those other than themselves and like to spout anger, abuse, troll and flame. It is also why any competent multiplayer builder either owns a private server or one where build allowance requires in-depth vetting. If Minecraft was about "respecting and caring" these measures would clearly not be necessary.
So in conclusion, we can establish that a) one viewpoint is not enough to condem one party in it's entirety, b ) the vast majority of this can be explained by two parties who are worn out and relative strangers, and c) a large proportion of the condemnation is coming from those who already disliked either Notch or the Yogscast and as such are just jumping on a bandwagon, or whom haven't actually read the details provided so far properly.
I'll wait for the full details to emerge before adding anything more, but the amount of narrow-minded antagonism in this thread is astounding.
Honestly I think that the best thing to do is tell them to bring children at their own risk, like all conventions do. that way when a child hears something that the parent doesnt want them to, when the parent complains, Notch can just say "We told you bring them at your own risk. We take no responsibility for what they heard" Seems the easiest way to go about doing it, doesnt it?
Or is that just me?
It seems much easier, 'cause then it would be the parent's fault if they had trouble with the idea of their children hearing some nasty words. And you know, the more I think about it, I'm sure that if a parent were really that careful about it, they would have considered that they definitely would not be the only adult around and would have had second thoughts.
Telling people something like that would definitely fix the situation, though, but sadly that's only one of many that Notch has stated about the Yogscast.
I read the whole thing-they decided to go.
"If you thought into it you would realize that there are a great many other things that have to be done when at a convention, not just a panel."
What are these other things? Between my degree and work I don't have the time or money to go to conventions.
You should check out hotel prices before basing your figures on you dads--If he paid that much a night for a cheap hotel then he got ripped off.
As for the ign crap--it's Mojangs game and their contracts.
Notch has a CEO. Get an adult to explain it to you.
No. It was a community convention and Mojang blatantly made money out of it.
Unlike companies who keep all their inner workings secret I love have one willing to make some decisions known to see if the public can persuade against it.
You people think that arguing on here will fix this no.
Non of you can fix this.
is that clear?
Im going to go play minecraft and listen to some yogpods because i could care less what happened. Its life deal with it people
Uh, how? They were doing playful banter. Notch said he had sex with Simon's mom, even. So how were either of them being immature if it was mutual?
I'll believe it's a joke when both sides tell me it was a joke.
How so? I think you're just another person jumping on this "I always knew something was up with those two" bandwagon.
Or some one started a troll/flame war with the yogscast. It will blow over, nuff said.
First off, most of you should probably read Total Biscuits analysis of the situation on Reddit. It pretty much echoes my opinion on the matter (although we differ on some points) and contains reasoned arguments unlike 90% of what inhabits this thread, which primarily seems to be Notch or Yogscast fanboyism. Both parties can be seen to be at fault depending on your perspective. Anyway, on to the meat of my opinion on the matter.
Remember the legal action taken by Bethesda against Mojang? This situation echoes that one in all honesty. Initial reports were that Bethesda were unfoundedly suing Mojang for calling their game 'Scrolls' because it was, to quote much less savoury games journalism, "too similar" to the name of the Elder Scrolls series. This belief was compounded by Notch's reaction to the lawsuit online - at no stage did he decide to reveal the fact that actually the legal dispute arose over the attempt by Mojang to trademark the word 'Scrolls'. Now that's a whole different ball park, and in that instance, Mojang is definitely in the wrong. Attempting to trademark a common word just screams of EDGE Games and the idiocy surrounding Tim Langdell's aggressive pursuit of complete ownership over the word "Edge" when related to gaming. Bethesda was right in that situation, and by legally challenging Mojang's decision was simply trying to prevent one company gaining ownership of a noun.
How is this relevant? Once again the only information which is causing controversy so far is being provided by Notch via twitter, and once again people are making huge leaps of judgement from what is, of course, one source; and one very overworked and [most likely] very irritable source too. Add on to that the fact that Notch seems to have a tendency to omit various details from these kinds of situations (look no further than the lawsuit described above) and you can clearly see that to throw stupid anger in the direction of the Yogscast is naive and stupid at this stage.
On to the point about Yogscast demanding payment. The details on this are very unclear at the moment; and I've seen several people assume that the Yogscast turned up under the pretence of going for free and then later unfairly demanding payment. If this was the case, then of course both Simon and Lewis are at fault. However, do any of us actually know that's the case - have we heard the full story - or are a number of the more immature members of this forum just making assumptions so that they can throw hate in that general direction. My opinion on this particular dispute will be based on actually finding out what happened, so I'll hold off on it for now. What I will say is this - if Notch is implying (and of course we don't know this) that people who have had such an influence on the community do not deserve to be paid, then he is wrong. By all means, I think they should have turned up on condition they get paid in the first place. This is their livelihood, in case anyone has forgotten, and as several people (notably John Bain) have stated, you have no requirement to turn up free of charge to a major event and support a company when it is essentially your job. Any implication that in general getting paid for these kind of events is inherently wrong is stupid, and you'd do well to consider yourself in a situation where that is your job.
On the subject of the swearing; again, I think a lot of people need to read before spouting off. And I quote:
"A kid wanted them to sign something I had signed, and they said they'd cross it out and put "f*** you" there instead."
That's what Notch wrote, which a minority of people took to mean:
"The Yogscast took a kids autograph, crossed out Notch's name and wrote "f*** you" instead."
Which is clearly not the case. The ethics of this are convoluted, but in essence the Yogscast are demonstrating a distinctly British style of humour. To watch their videos expecting the attitudes and morals of people who live most likely thousands of miles away from you are going to be identical to your own is pretty egotistical. On top of that you have the fact that, as many have mentioned, Yogscast videos generally contain a large amount of foul language anyway. Their demographic hears it on Youtube regardless of your pittance that it's unacceptable, and to be quite honest, I'm pretty certain that those of you older than about 7 have sworn yourselves.
The Minecraft community in general isn't about "respecting and caring" either. It largely consists of narcissistic children who disregard those other than themselves and like to spout anger, abuse, troll and flame. It is also why any competent multiplayer builder either owns a private server or one where build allowance requires in-depth vetting. If Minecraft was about "respecting and caring" these measures would clearly not be necessary.
So in conclusion, we can establish that a) one viewpoint is not enough to condem one party in it's entirety, b ) the vast majority of this can be explained by two parties who are worn out and relative strangers, and c) a large proportion of the condemnation is coming from those who already disliked either Notch or the Yogscast and as such are just jumping on a bandwagon, or whom haven't actually read the details provided so far properly.
I'll wait for the full details to emerge before adding anything more, but the amount of narrow-minded antagonism in this thread is astounding.