LOL i love how people are going "I lost all respect for the yogcast" and "The yogcast are retarded" when they dont know the full story. Stop taking sides.
It's a simple decision for me. I had to quit listening to Yogscast videos long ago. One of the guys (I don't know who) has this BLOOD-CURDLING SQUEAL that makes me want to puncture my own eardrums. Hearing it enough times, I made the decision to get my Minecraft information elsewhere. It's too bad, because otherwise, the videos were good.
LOL i love how people are going "I lost all respect for the yogcast" and "The yogcast are retarded" when they dont know the full story. Stop taking sides.
It seems like people are just taking sides with Notch because hes the creator of Minecraft, therefore they just assume that he will prevail, whether hes 100% correct or not. All the "once" Yogscast viewers who say that theyve gone downhill seem to only be saying it based on this event, which we dont even know the entirety of. Ive been watching them for a year and a half now, and their playing style and actions do not seem to have changed at all.
It's a simple decision for me. I had to quit listening to Yogscast videos long ago. One of the guys (I don't know who) has this BLOOD-CURDLING SQUEAL that makes me want to puncture my own eardrums. Hearing it enough times, I made the decision to get my Minecraft information elsewhere. It's too bad, because otherwise, the videos were good.
Thats Simon. Everytime he sees something he deems cute, he makes that noise. I only listened to them on my headphones once. Never again. >_<
I believe were all here for the same thing... Minecraft, mods, servers, news and reviews
Personally I think there is already a forum for "He said, She said" BS..
Isn't it called Facebook?
The fact is no matter who is wrong or right.. Yogs make good vids / review's and I'm sure alot of us will still watch, even if they are idiots off-cam... hell, I'm an idiot most of the time :wink.gif:
I also think notch has jumped the gun with this comment.. "Wow, hate, insults and threats are flooding in from Yogscast fans, ill stop biting my tongue now"
Having a go at Yogs because the fan's are at your heels?
Didn't Mojang fan's go on a Bethesda rampage before getting all of the facts after a premature post from this site only told your side of the story (and even then left alot for people to fill in the blanks)I think it was because you forgot to mention that Bethesda had nothing to do with it, but someone acting on Bethesda's behalf without even telling them 1st, not sure if it was just the layers or the publishing company.. anyway..
I really don't think this is front page, must read Minecraft news, do you?
THIS. Pretty much clears the whole picture. The whole Minecon felt like an embarrassment. We must question HOW Yogscast were treated there, before judging any of their alleged actions. Now I understand why Yogscast had this REALLY WEIRD "interview" with Notch, in which THEY DIDN'T DISCUSSED A THING ABOUT MINECRAFT! That's because Notch already had a deal (with IGN?) not to give interviews about Minecraft! But Yogscast still decided to do this fake interview, probably not to disappoint the fans, where they had to pull various random topics not-about-about-minecraft out of their ass - that was really painful to watch. You could actually feel the ridiculousness of the whole situation, by how confused and edgy they looked.
Were they met with all due respect and professionalism? Were they expected to do Mojang bidding while not being paid for, as accusation of not "cooperating" seems to imply?
Probably they discussed whole this terrible management issue of Minecon in their group. Were Mojang eavesdropping on them? Then accuse of "talking behind their backs"?
"A bunch of nerd who don't know how to run a company"? Are they not?
Not paying for entertainers to come to the show? What is this if not greed?
I don't think that Yogscast were given all due respect by Mojarng, and they certainly do more than many on YT for Mincraft, even just by being most watched Minecraft show on YT. What is this if not a free advertisement?
Mojang sure knows how to **** people off, most probably thanks to that Lydia (who looked like a typical ***** by how she acted on Minecon). And Notch is out of touch with reality.
EDIT: And last accusation doesn't mean they said that to kid instead of to Notch himself.
They were given a panel for free. Did they need a script or someone to hold their hand and tell them what to do?
They were given a panel for free. Did they need a script or someone to hold their hand and tell them what to do?
That makes up for everything else that might have happened, does it? They got badgered and yanked around by someone who didnt know what she was doing, forced to pay thousands of dollars for everything else, but skipped out on one grand of it, so that makes it all better.
I dont know if this is true or not, but if it is, getting a panel for free is almost irrelevant compared to the rest of the problems.
That makes up for everything else that might have happened, does it? They got badgered and yanked around by someone who didnt know what she was doing, forced to pay thousands of dollars for everything else, but skipped out on one grand of it, so that makes it all better.
I dont know if this is true or not, but if it is, getting a panel for free is almost irrelevant compared to the rest of the problems.
"informed of their panel time, autograph time or any scheduling until about 2-3 days before they had to fly out"
--biased source
yanked around?---No. How were they being "badgered" and who put the gun to their head and forced them to "pay thousands of dollars".
Notch i used to think you were cool, now you are just a fat swedish bald *****, you are a complete hypocrite who really doesnt know how to run a company. Get a ****ing sense of humour and grow up. You are like a child tugging on his mums skirt like "MUMMY THE YOGSCAST DID SUMTHING WAAAH"
Notch doesn't run Mojang.. the CEO does.. so he doesn't need to learn how to run a company, and if I made a joke about your mum being ugly/gross/a donkey ****er, and you got upset, I should be able to turn around and say "It's funny to me and people I know, grow a sense of humour and grow up"... uh.. huh.
If that's your stance, you must never get mad at anything, because someone, somewhere will find it funny..
"informed of their panel time, autograph time or any scheduling until about 2-3 days before they had to fly out"
--biased source
yanked around?---No. How were they being "badgered" and who put the gun to their head and forced them to "pay thousands of dollars".
Youll notice that I made a point of saying "If this is true". Yanked around may not, and likely does not, imply the panel time. If you thought into it you would realize that there are a great many other things that have to be done when at a convention, not just a panel.
In terms of money, perhaps I was being a little too emphatic over being forced, but if you read the entire post and didnt simply stop at the first thing you could argue with, you would have seen just how much it must have cost them. Only two tickets were free, IF they got a booth. 8 people went. IF they didnt have a booth, then it was 800 dollars. If they DID have a booth, then it would have been around 1600. Now think about how much room and board was. The cheapest hotels in Vegas are not exactly cheap. I dont know where they stayed, but when my father stayed there for three nights in a cheap hotel, it cost him 200 dollars a night. So, if there were 8 people for three days, thats yes another 4800 dollars. Also, think of the plane tickets as well. I flew from my current state back to my home state, and it took me 200 dollars, three months in advance. Depending on when they bought their tickets, thats another 1600, or more.
So, right off the bat, they could have paid anything from between 7400 dollars to 8000 dollars, and thats going on the low side. Thats a lot of money to spend just to have yourself yanked around by a woman who doesnt know what shes doing, and to be forced by IGN to not actually discuss minecraft on video, under what I assume was risk of lawsuit, and god only know how much that might have cost them.
I dont know about you, but if that were the case, I think I would have good reason to be pissed off about that.
Why are we making such big, useless assumptions? Do you know how pointless it is to make them at this moment? Can't you people wait for the REAL facts before you make them up?
Seriously, all you are doing is making a huge, useless mess with all of these random assumptions. Just wait for the Yogscast to tell their side of the story and then put the facts together. Don't judge, don't assume, collect the facts.
You can definitely present your opinions, but don't press them upon each other like everyone else is supposed to think like you do. Express your opinion and maybe explain why if you want to, but don't fight over useless nonsense. You can't make someone change their mind about their opinion by using your opinions, you use facts. If they don't want to listen to the facts, that's on them.
Just a little tip.
When(If) the war breaks out, I'll be kickin' back relaxing and laughing with some buttered popcorn.
I love that everyone is just instantly siding with Notch here. How about we go with the facts here?
1. Yogscast HASN'T even given their side of the story, albeit the whole "wait 24 hours" is a bit shifty.
2. Sure, we can guess it was Simon and Lewis, or it couldn't be. Or just maybe Notch isn't the patron saint here and is going for the group as a whole for the actions of a few?
3. I think it would be somewhat fair for the Yogscast or other people who heavily contributed to Minecraft such as the Yogscast or CaptainSparkles or whoever in the world was at MineCon to get some form of payment. Let us be honest here, Minecraft isn't some "small indie company", and the work of many helped make Mojang who they are currently. Just for my two cents, I frankly find that Notch is being EXTREMELY stingy as of late, regardless of having sold MILLIONS of copies of his game.
4. Mojang as a whole is kind of changing it's direction because Terraria removed their "variety sandbox" monopoly, and is kind of selling out to poorly implement RPG elements which kind of shows their direction in "leadership" etc.
TL;DR My opinions aside, wait for Yogscast's story in all of this instead of being Notch's on demand white knight army.
I hope this turns out to be a huge misunderstanding. Notch and The Yogscast are heroes of mine, and I'd hate to think of either as divas or douchebags.
People are blowing this waay out of proportion. We have only heard one half of the story and people are ready to jump on a side. There could be many different conclusions to this.
Perhaps it is just a misunderstanding. So a kid asked the Yogscast to sign something that Notch also signed, and they made a joke that included "f*ck you". It was never said that the conversation went,
Kid: Hey Yogscast will you sign this for me?
Yogscast: F*ck you.
It could have been a joke they made and who knows, maybe the kid also found it funny and laughed, but the parent was offended or only heard the end of the joke and assumed the Yogscast had told their child f*ck you.
Or, maybe this is all Notch and the Yogscast trolling us. In their interview Notch said if he woke up in his body, he would just troll people and post on Twitter that he is on vacation (which he did do and this has been posted quite a few times already). Since this started I have only seen the Yogscast's subscribers increase, sure there's a few people that unsubbed because they wanna jump to conclusions, but overall they have been gaining.
Or, maybe the Yogscast are just used to how things are in their home country. You've spent your life in a completely different country with people that act one way, then fly to another country for an event where people act another way. For people saying Americans don't swear in or for jokes obviously don't get out much. People all over the world swear in jokes, not just in England. I've been to quite a few different states and have heard it. So before you pick a side and flame the other, why not stop and think about it. If someone sued you and you were in court, and the judge only heard their side of the story and decided they were right and you were wrong, case closed, how would you feel?
Notch ****ed up letting this get out, he is an immature man child.
and saying this is any better? you're being an immature man child for calling him one, how about acting like an adult and instead of bitching about it, wait for the reply by yogscast, and then not giving a ****, and continue to both watch their videos and play the game.
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It seems like people are just taking sides with Notch because hes the creator of Minecraft, therefore they just assume that he will prevail, whether hes 100% correct or not. All the "once" Yogscast viewers who say that theyve gone downhill seem to only be saying it based on this event, which we dont even know the entirety of. Ive been watching them for a year and a half now, and their playing style and actions do not seem to have changed at all.
Thats Simon. Everytime he sees something he deems cute, he makes that noise. I only listened to them on my headphones once. Never again. >_<
But I guess we'll have to see their response.
This is probably just a missunderstanding.
I believe were all here for the same thing... Minecraft, mods, servers, news and reviews
Personally I think there is already a forum for "He said, She said" BS..
Isn't it called Facebook?
The fact is no matter who is wrong or right.. Yogs make good vids / review's and I'm sure alot of us will still watch, even if they are idiots off-cam... hell, I'm an idiot most of the time :wink.gif:
I also think notch has jumped the gun with this comment.. "Wow, hate, insults and threats are flooding in from Yogscast fans, ill stop biting my tongue now"
Having a go at Yogs because the fan's are at your heels?
Didn't Mojang fan's go on a Bethesda rampage before getting all of the facts after a premature post from this site only told your side of the story (and even then left alot for people to fill in the blanks)I think it was because you forgot to mention that Bethesda had nothing to do with it, but someone acting on Bethesda's behalf without even telling them 1st, not sure if it was just the layers or the publishing company.. anyway..
I really don't think this is front page, must read Minecraft news, do you?
They were given a panel for free. Did they need a script or someone to hold their hand and tell them what to do?
That makes up for everything else that might have happened, does it? They got badgered and yanked around by someone who didnt know what she was doing, forced to pay thousands of dollars for everything else, but skipped out on one grand of it, so that makes it all better.
I dont know if this is true or not, but if it is, getting a panel for free is almost irrelevant compared to the rest of the problems.
I do the lets plays
"informed of their panel time, autograph time or any scheduling until about 2-3 days before they had to fly out"
--biased source
yanked around?---No. How were they being "badgered" and who put the gun to their head and forced them to "pay thousands of dollars".
Notch doesn't run Mojang.. the CEO does.. so he doesn't need to learn how to run a company, and if I made a joke about your mum being ugly/gross/a donkey ****er, and you got upset, I should be able to turn around and say "It's funny to me and people I know, grow a sense of humour and grow up"... uh.. huh.
If that's your stance, you must never get mad at anything, because someone, somewhere will find it funny..
Youll notice that I made a point of saying "If this is true". Yanked around may not, and likely does not, imply the panel time. If you thought into it you would realize that there are a great many other things that have to be done when at a convention, not just a panel.
In terms of money, perhaps I was being a little too emphatic over being forced, but if you read the entire post and didnt simply stop at the first thing you could argue with, you would have seen just how much it must have cost them. Only two tickets were free, IF they got a booth. 8 people went. IF they didnt have a booth, then it was 800 dollars. If they DID have a booth, then it would have been around 1600. Now think about how much room and board was. The cheapest hotels in Vegas are not exactly cheap. I dont know where they stayed, but when my father stayed there for three nights in a cheap hotel, it cost him 200 dollars a night. So, if there were 8 people for three days, thats yes another 4800 dollars. Also, think of the plane tickets as well. I flew from my current state back to my home state, and it took me 200 dollars, three months in advance. Depending on when they bought their tickets, thats another 1600, or more.
So, right off the bat, they could have paid anything from between 7400 dollars to 8000 dollars, and thats going on the low side. Thats a lot of money to spend just to have yourself yanked around by a woman who doesnt know what shes doing, and to be forced by IGN to not actually discuss minecraft on video, under what I assume was risk of lawsuit, and god only know how much that might have cost them.
I dont know about you, but if that were the case, I think I would have good reason to be pissed off about that.
Seriously, all you are doing is making a huge, useless mess with all of these random assumptions. Just wait for the Yogscast to tell their side of the story and then put the facts together. Don't judge, don't assume, collect the facts.
You can definitely present your opinions, but don't press them upon each other like everyone else is supposed to think like you do. Express your opinion and maybe explain why if you want to, but don't fight over useless nonsense. You can't make someone change their mind about their opinion by using your opinions, you use facts. If they don't want to listen to the facts, that's on them.
Just a little tip.
When(If) the war breaks out, I'll be kickin' back relaxing and laughing with some buttered popcorn.
1. Yogscast HASN'T even given their side of the story, albeit the whole "wait 24 hours" is a bit shifty.
2. Sure, we can guess it was Simon and Lewis, or it couldn't be. Or just maybe Notch isn't the patron saint here and is going for the group as a whole for the actions of a few?
3. I think it would be somewhat fair for the Yogscast or other people who heavily contributed to Minecraft such as the Yogscast or CaptainSparkles or whoever in the world was at MineCon to get some form of payment. Let us be honest here, Minecraft isn't some "small indie company", and the work of many helped make Mojang who they are currently. Just for my two cents, I frankly find that Notch is being EXTREMELY stingy as of late, regardless of having sold MILLIONS of copies of his game.
4. Mojang as a whole is kind of changing it's direction because Terraria removed their "variety sandbox" monopoly, and is kind of selling out to poorly implement RPG elements which kind of shows their direction in "leadership" etc.
TL;DR My opinions aside, wait for Yogscast's story in all of this instead of being Notch's on demand white knight army.
Perhaps it is just a misunderstanding. So a kid asked the Yogscast to sign something that Notch also signed, and they made a joke that included "f*ck you". It was never said that the conversation went,
Kid: Hey Yogscast will you sign this for me?
Yogscast: F*ck you.
It could have been a joke they made and who knows, maybe the kid also found it funny and laughed, but the parent was offended or only heard the end of the joke and assumed the Yogscast had told their child f*ck you.
Or, maybe this is all Notch and the Yogscast trolling us. In their interview Notch said if he woke up in his body, he would just troll people and post on Twitter that he is on vacation (which he did do and this has been posted quite a few times already). Since this started I have only seen the Yogscast's subscribers increase, sure there's a few people that unsubbed because they wanna jump to conclusions, but overall they have been gaining.
Or, maybe the Yogscast are just used to how things are in their home country. You've spent your life in a completely different country with people that act one way, then fly to another country for an event where people act another way. For people saying Americans don't swear in or for jokes obviously don't get out much. People all over the world swear in jokes, not just in England. I've been to quite a few different states and have heard it. So before you pick a side and flame the other, why not stop and think about it. If someone sued you and you were in court, and the judge only heard their side of the story and decided they were right and you were wrong, case closed, how would you feel?
"I'm sorry about the ugly public airing of dirty laundry."
8 minutes ago
http://twitter.com/#!/notch
and saying this is any better? you're being an immature man child for calling him one, how about acting like an adult and instead of bitching about it, wait for the reply by yogscast, and then not giving a ****, and continue to both watch their videos and play the game.