Hi, I'm new to the forum, so apologies if I sound like a newb.
This issue has made my 360 edition of minecraft pretty much unplayable after 20 mins in single player and pointless in multiplayer, is there any chance that there will be a fix of this soon.
This is pretty much the main game our console is used for.
I can see your working on it so thanks for that, Just desperate to have things working as before.
Hi, I'm new to the forum, so apologies if I sound like a newb.
This issue has made my 360 edition of minecraft pretty much unplayable after 20 mins in single player and pointless in multiplayer, is there any chance that there will be a fix of this soon.
This is pretty much the main game our console is used for.
I can see your working on it so thanks for that, Just desperate to have things working as before.
Thank you
Your guess is as good as mine. I would hope since 4JSteve was on top of the issue right away that there would be a fix soon. Last time a game breaking bug popped up (XBOX One?) the had it nailed down pretty quick. I would think that 4JSteve will update is as he can though, as he has since this started. (I'll be honest, Minecraft is about the only thing I play on my 360 too. )
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Thanks Zayne_Wolf for the reply, I understand Bug fixes take time and work. Just restarted the whole game for the Nth time today
I'm not sure restarting helps much, if at all. If it does, it's maybe mere minutes before it starts again. I only have played through it a little, just to capture the lag on video for an example. That's one of my previous post in this thread. But by that time they kinda had an idea what was up. And it's no problem to reply, just part of the moderator job. (I try to be a helpful mod!)
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I'm toughing it out, but again, I can't even go to the Nether. 4J is awesome, though, and very timely with fixes. Sit tight and they will have this locked down.
I know restarting definitely doesn't help, I have played on over a dozen worlds since the bug started and still suffer the lag, strangely me and two friends started playing today and played for just over four hours and there were no problem, the game lagged massively when we were all in different chests depositing/withdrawing items or in the creative inventory but that's kinda normal.
There has been an update to the disc based 360 edition but the DL one hasn't yet (I haven't checked since early this morning) but that might be the old update that he hadn't installed yet.
Framerate drops anywhere from 15-1 fps, this is really severe and is preventing me and family from even being able to play at times
World Seed: -7131081478727846875
Coordinates it started happening (Roughly): Around my base, which is located at roughly -49 78 -20. Base is littered with torches, chests, signs, animals, underground has in addition to cave systems and naturally-occurring spawners, a large man-made stripmine made with dimensions width 9 height 5
Offline/Online?: Both, seems to make no difference
Single/Multiplayer?: Both, seems to make no difference
Difficulty?: Any (Tested with peaceful, easy, and hard)
World Options you had enabled:
Game mode: Survival
Online Game
PvP
Daylight Cycle
Weather Cycle
Mob Spawning
Mob Griefing
Mob Loot
Tile Drops
Natural Regen
Trust Players
TNT Explodes
Fire Spreads
How long before it started happening from world creation/load: Usually after I do a little bit in the map, so anywhere between 30 minutes to an hour
Options[/b]
- View Bobbing (Off)
- Hints (On)
- In-Game Tooltips (On)
- in-Game Gamertags (On)
- Autosave Interval (15 Minutes)
- Difficulty - Any (Mainly easy and hard, also peaceful)
Audio[/b]
- Music % Sometimes 0%, sometimes 50%, depending on whether or not I'm listening to something else
This lag issue is the cause of the last update for sure ! so....Why can't we just be given the previous update to over write the last ???
It was working just fine before so I am not sure what the last update was supposed to do but it has completely wrecked my life and my blood has gone past boiling point so many times !!!
A quick fix would not be hard as mentioned above and feel that it is taking to long.
I have paid for the game and also bought the disc as well which made no difference as it needed to be updated and had the same problem.
This lag issue is the cause of the last update for sure ! so....Why can't we just be given the previous update to over write the last ???
It was working just fine before so I am not sure what the last update was supposed to do but it has completely wrecked my life and my blood has gone past boiling point so many times !!!
A quick fix would not be hard as mentioned above and feel that it is taking to long.
I have paid for the game and also bought the disc as well which made no difference as it needed to be updated and had the same problem.
If it is not broke do not try and fix it !!!!!!!!
JOKECRAFT
Ok I'll split this up a bit.
Why can't we just be given the previous update to over write the last?
Unfortunately rolling back to the previous update wouldn't necessarily be a great solution - we'd have to increment the build number/remove change sets and then run that through as an update.
It was working just fine before so I am not sure what the last update was supposed to do
The update fixed a number of issues reported by players
A quick fix would not be hard as mentioned above and feel that it is taking to long.
Reproducing the issue (FPS issue not a lag issue) wasn't just a simple case of launching a world and seeing it happen.
There were a number of different variables that would change based on each separate user.
We also identified a number of Memory Leaks that also needed fixed will investigating this issue.
The underlying cause it seems was a small change to Memory allocation that had a massive knock on effect in certain circumstances.
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I still think if the game has become completely unplayable after a update then there should be an option to "rollback" or there should be a way of downloading the previous update build.
It is possible with many applications from Android , Apple and especially Windows so a reply to your response would be it is possible and should be available as it is unplayable now and was fine ( for me ) before.
This is a wide spread issue and it obvious that the update had not gone through ENOUGH testing and hear lies my issue , its like Xbox 360 has become a second thought and not taken as serious as the other platforms.
Your saying its not as easy as to rollback the update due to build numbers and change sets and I disagree , I have had previous update versions saved on a USB and when a released update was found to be buggy or have lag issues I have deleted the update on the HDD and copied the old update across with no problems.
I just wish I had the previous update backed up but I don't...
I still think if the game has become completely unplayable after a update then there should be an option to "rollback" or there should be a way of downloading the previous update build.
It is possible with many applications from Android , Apple and especially Windows so a reply to your response would be it is possible and should be available as it is unplayable now and was fine ( for me ) before.
This is a wide spread issue and it obvious that the update had not gone through ENOUGH testing and hear lies my issue , its like Xbox 360 has become a second thought and not taken as serious as the other platforms.
Your saying its not as easy as to rollback the update due to build numbers and change sets and I disagree , I have had previous update versions saved on a USB and when a released update was found to be buggy or have lag issues I have deleted the update on the HDD and copied the old update across with no problems.
I just wish I had the previous update backed up but I don't...
Let's not forget the issues players have had by manually rolling back with back ups of TUs.
Worlds breaking because they are incompatible with previous versions.
Rolling back to a previous version using a USB is a completely different matter to forcing an "update" back to a previous version.
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Your not forcing anything if it's an previous update build with a different build number or as I have said before it being the same build available as a separate download somewhere for us to manually apply.
I just think as it has been unplayable for sometime now we shouldn't have to wait for an update to fix a broken update for something that was fine in the first place .
There should and COULD be alternative fixes to this issue that seems to not have a solution yet.
There are always 2 Minecraft files on the Xbox which are 1, Minecraft Main Game. 2,Update file and it is the update file we are talking about as it is this one that got replaced with the new update so why can't it just have the last one replace it for now ?
I usually just delete the update file when there is a update before downloading but thought this may have been the issue so I have uninstalled both which made no difference, You will probably say that the main game changes with some updates but this would not be true with the Disc version so I doubt it to be true with the digital either.
This hasn't got to be as complicated as it is from my understanding.
Dusk/Dawn. 6 Water Source Blocks creating falling water from more than 10 blocks high.
Offline
Single
Difficulty: Peaceful
World Options you had enabled:
How long before it started happening from world creation/load: The more I build the shorter the time between lag spikes gets. At first it wouldn't happen until Autosave. Gradually though it's gotten much worse and I now get about 5 mins of lag free play before the day/night cycle lag starts.
Your not forcing anything if it's an previous update build with a different build number or as I have said before it being the same build available as a separate download somewhere for us to manually apply.
I just think as it has been unplayable for sometime now we shouldn't have to wait for an update to fix a broken update for something that was fine in the first place .
There should and COULD be alternative fixes to this issue that seems to not have a solution yet.
There are always 2 Minecraft files on the Xbox which are 1, Minecraft Main Game. 2,Update file and it is the update file we are talking about as it is this one that got replaced with the new update so why can't it just have the last one replace it for now ?
I usually just delete the update file when there is a update before downloading but thought this may have been the issue so I have uninstalled both which made no difference, You will probably say that the main game changes with some updates but this would not be true with the Disc version so I doubt it to be true with the digital either.
This hasn't got to be as complicated as it is from my understanding.
What 4JSteve is saying is that once a world is opened with the most recent update (regardless if it was saved or not), it would corrupt the file to then try to open it with the previous update loaded. This has been an issue that has caused a lot of heartbreak in the community... NOT ONLY, though, for players who have manually tried to rollback, but others who have been merely bumped (timed out) of the Xbox Live download without realizing it.
So, 4JSteve - why not just put a "lock" in place that stops a file from opening if it has been opened with a more recent update than the then active one... protecting it... until the user decides to again fully download the most recent update? I agree with Bondle0666, the lack of an ability to step back from an update if it isn't working right for that user is a major drawback on otherwise great customer service.
So, 4JSteve - why not just put a "lock" in place that stops a file from opening if it has been opened with a more recent update than the then active one... protecting it... until the user decides to again fully download the most recent update? I agree with Bondle0666, the lack of an ability to step back from an update if it isn't working right for that user is a major drawback on otherwise great customer service.
That's impossible, if you're on TUXX and it implements a 'lock' for using modern worlds on a older version, the older version wouldn't support said lock and that could cause more problems in the long run than it would fix in the short run.
I understand what your saying but all I want is the ability to roll back and or download previous updates knowing what may or may not happen.
I have a few saves from my current build which I am trying to work on for my son and I would rather lose some work and start from one of those saves than to not be able to build at all.
I am surprised that this could happen in the first place and made worst by there not being a fix sooner...
That's impossible, if you're on TUXX and it implements a 'lock' for using modern worlds on a older version, the older version wouldn't support said lock and that could cause more problems in the long run than it would fix in the short run.
If find it a little hard to believe. Lots of other programs just won't open files generated through newer versions of the same program and they warn the user that the file is from a newer version... and they don't corrupt the file itself in the process. Minecraft currently opens the file with older versions, but then just toasts it... rendering it unloadable or resetting the terrain completely (eliminating the players builds, etc.) Even without actually saving over the file, the file gets damaged, so some change occurs right upon opening. Couldn't it be done by just inserting code in the file when saved with a newer version that the older version just doesn't recognize and, therefore, won't attempt to open the file?
If find it a little hard to believe. Lots of other programs just won't open files generated through newer versions of the same program and they warn the user that the file is from a newer version... and they don't corrupt the file itself in the process. Minecraft currently opens the file with older versions, but then just toasts it... rendering it unloadable or resetting the terrain completely (eliminating the players builds, etc.) Even without actually saving over the file, the file gets damaged, so some change occurs right upon opening. Couldn't it be done by just inserting code in the file when saved with a newer version that the older version just doesn't recognize and, therefore, won't attempt to open the file?
You'd have to change the base versions of game, both disc and downloadable.Not impossible for the virtual version, but I'm unaware if 4J is allowed to rewrite a disc from inside the xbox...
You'd have to change the base versions of game, both disc and downloadable.Not impossible for the virtual version, but I'm unaware if 4J is allowed to rewrite a disc from inside the xbox...
Still don't really get it. Minecraft won't open, say, game saves created by, say, by the Xbox One version without having to change the older base version of the game. Why can't they make the newer Xbox 360 file saves somewhat incompatible with the older versions of the game (say by changing the file extension like Microsoft did with .xls vs. .xlsx files. If you did want to move an old save forward to a newer version, you could put it through a transfer process the same way people had to in order to move their 360 saves onto the Xbox One, but once this was done, wouldn't the older versions of the 360 game just not be able to open the file?
Hi, I'm new to the forum, so apologies if I sound like a newb.
This issue has made my 360 edition of minecraft pretty much unplayable after 20 mins in single player and pointless in multiplayer, is there any chance that there will be a fix of this soon.
This is pretty much the main game our console is used for.
I can see your working on it so thanks for that, Just desperate to have things working as before.
Thank you
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ModeratorYour guess is as good as mine. I would hope since 4JSteve was on top of the issue right away that there would be a fix soon. Last time a game breaking bug popped up (XBOX One?) the had it nailed down pretty quick. I would think that 4JSteve will update is as he can though, as he has since this started. (I'll be honest, Minecraft is about the only thing I play on my 360 too.
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Thanks Zayne_Wolf for the reply, I understand Bug fixes take time and work. Just restarted the whole game for the Nth time today
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ModeratorI'm not sure restarting helps much, if at all. If it does, it's maybe mere minutes before it starts again. I only have played through it a little, just to capture the lag on video for an example. That's one of my previous post in this thread. But by that time they kinda had an idea what was up. And it's no problem to reply, just part of the moderator job.
(I try to be a helpful mod!)
I'm toughing it out, but again, I can't even go to the Nether. 4J is awesome, though, and very timely with fixes. Sit tight and they will have this locked down.
like a jailhouse. Got them bugs singing the blues lol. Definitely cannot wait for this one to get sentenced.
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I know restarting definitely doesn't help, I have played on over a dozen worlds since the bug started and still suffer the lag, strangely me and two friends started playing today and played for just over four hours and there were no problem, the game lagged massively when we were all in different chests depositing/withdrawing items or in the creative inventory but that's kinda normal.
There has been an update to the disc based 360 edition but the DL one hasn't yet (I haven't checked since early this morning) but that might be the old update that he hadn't installed yet.
Framerate drops anywhere from 15-1 fps, this is really severe and is preventing me and family from even being able to play at times
World Seed: -7131081478727846875
Coordinates it started happening (Roughly): Around my base, which is located at roughly -49 78 -20. Base is littered with torches, chests, signs, animals, underground has in addition to cave systems and naturally-occurring spawners, a large man-made stripmine made with dimensions width 9 height 5
Offline/Online?: Both, seems to make no difference
Single/Multiplayer?: Both, seems to make no difference
Difficulty?: Any (Tested with peaceful, easy, and hard)
World Options you had enabled:
Game mode: Survival
Online Game
PvP
Daylight Cycle
Weather Cycle
Mob Spawning
Mob Griefing
Mob Loot
Tile Drops
Natural Regen
Trust Players
TNT Explodes
Fire Spreads
How long before it started happening from world creation/load: Usually after I do a little bit in the map, so anywhere between 30 minutes to an hour
Options[/b]
- View Bobbing (Off)
- Hints (On)
- In-Game Tooltips (On)
- in-Game Gamertags (On)
- Autosave Interval (15 Minutes)
- Difficulty - Any (Mainly easy and hard, also peaceful)
Audio[/b]
- Music % Sometimes 0%, sometimes 50%, depending on whether or not I'm listening to something else
- Sound % Stays at 50%
- Cave Sounds (On)
Control[/b]
- Game Sensitivity % 150
- Interface Sensitivity % 120
Graphics[/b]
- Render Clouds (Off)
- Bedrock Fog (Off)
- Custom Skin Animation (On)
- Gamma % 100
- Interface Opacity % 45
User Interface[/b]
- Display HUD (On)
- Display Hand (On)
- Death Messages (On)
- Animated Character (On)
- 2 Player Split-Screen Vertical (On)
- Splitscreen Gamertags (On)
- Classic Crafting (On)
- HUD Size 1
- HUD Size (Splitscreen) 2
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This lag issue is the cause of the last update for sure ! so....Why can't we just be given the previous update to over write the last ???
It was working just fine before so I am not sure what the last update was supposed to do but it has completely wrecked my life and my blood has gone past boiling point so many times !!!
A quick fix would not be hard as mentioned above and feel that it is taking to long.
I have paid for the game and also bought the disc as well which made no difference as it needed to be updated and had the same problem.
If it is not broke do not try and fix it !!!!!!!!
JOKECRAFT
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4J StudiosOk I'll split this up a bit.
Why can't we just be given the previous update to over write the last?
Unfortunately rolling back to the previous update wouldn't necessarily be a great solution - we'd have to increment the build number/remove change sets and then run that through as an update.
It was working just fine before so I am not sure what the last update was supposed to do
The update fixed a number of issues reported by players
A quick fix would not be hard as mentioned above and feel that it is taking to long.
Reproducing the issue (FPS issue not a lag issue) wasn't just a simple case of launching a world and seeing it happen.
There were a number of different variables that would change based on each separate user.
We also identified a number of Memory Leaks that also needed fixed will investigating this issue.
The underlying cause it seems was a small change to Memory allocation that had a massive knock on effect in certain circumstances.
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I still think if the game has become completely unplayable after a update then there should be an option to "rollback" or there should be a way of downloading the previous update build.
It is possible with many applications from Android , Apple and especially Windows so a reply to your response would be it is possible and should be available as it is unplayable now and was fine ( for me ) before.
This is a wide spread issue and it obvious that the update had not gone through ENOUGH testing and hear lies my issue , its like Xbox 360 has become a second thought and not taken as serious as the other platforms.
Your saying its not as easy as to rollback the update due to build numbers and change sets and I disagree , I have had previous update versions saved on a USB and when a released update was found to be buggy or have lag issues I have deleted the update on the HDD and copied the old update across with no problems.
I just wish I had the previous update backed up but I don't...
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4J StudiosLet's not forget the issues players have had by manually rolling back with back ups of TUs.
Worlds breaking because they are incompatible with previous versions.
Rolling back to a previous version using a USB is a completely different matter to forcing an "update" back to a previous version.
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Currently Playing - League of Legends (EUW), World of Warcraft (EU-Turalyon) and X-COM2 (PS4)
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Your not forcing anything if it's an previous update build with a different build number or as I have said before it being the same build available as a separate download somewhere for us to manually apply.
I just think as it has been unplayable for sometime now we shouldn't have to wait for an update to fix a broken update for something that was fine in the first place .
There should and COULD be alternative fixes to this issue that seems to not have a solution yet.
There are always 2 Minecraft files on the Xbox which are 1, Minecraft Main Game. 2,Update file and it is the update file we are talking about as it is this one that got replaced with the new update so why can't it just have the last one replace it for now ?
I usually just delete the update file when there is a update before downloading but thought this may have been the issue so I have uninstalled both which made no difference, You will probably say that the main game changes with some updates but this would not be true with the Disc version so I doubt it to be true with the digital either.
This hasn't got to be as complicated as it is from my understanding.
World Seed:unknown
Dusk/Dawn. 6 Water Source Blocks creating falling water from more than 10 blocks high.
Offline
Single
Difficulty: Peaceful
World Options you had enabled:
How long before it started happening from world creation/load: The more I build the shorter the time between lag spikes gets. At first it wouldn't happen until Autosave. Gradually though it's gotten much worse and I now get about 5 mins of lag free play before the day/night cycle lag starts.
Options
- View Bobbing (On)
- Hints (Off)
- In-Game Tooltips (Off)
- in-Game Gamertags (On)
- Autosave Interval 120min
- Difficulty: Peaceful
Audio
- Music % Default
- Sound % Default
- Cave Sounds (On)
Control
- Game Sensitivity % Default
- Interface Sensitivity % Default
Graphics
- Render Clouds (On)
- Bedrock Fog (Off)
- Custom Skin Animation (On)
- Gamma % Default
- Interface Opacity % Default
User Interface
- Display HUD (On)
- Display Hand (On)
- Death Messages (On)
- Animated Character (On)
- Classic Crafting (On)
- HUD Size Default
What 4JSteve is saying is that once a world is opened with the most recent update (regardless if it was saved or not), it would corrupt the file to then try to open it with the previous update loaded. This has been an issue that has caused a lot of heartbreak in the community... NOT ONLY, though, for players who have manually tried to rollback, but others who have been merely bumped (timed out) of the Xbox Live download without realizing it.
So, 4JSteve - why not just put a "lock" in place that stops a file from opening if it has been opened with a more recent update than the then active one... protecting it... until the user decides to again fully download the most recent update? I agree with Bondle0666, the lack of an ability to step back from an update if it isn't working right for that user is a major drawback on otherwise great customer service.
That's impossible, if you're on TUXX and it implements a 'lock' for using modern worlds on a older version, the older version wouldn't support said lock and that could cause more problems in the long run than it would fix in the short run.
I understand what your saying but all I want is the ability to roll back and or download previous updates knowing what may or may not happen.
I have a few saves from my current build which I am trying to work on for my son and I would rather lose some work and start from one of those saves than to not be able to build at all.
I am surprised that this could happen in the first place and made worst by there not being a fix sooner...
If find it a little hard to believe. Lots of other programs just won't open files generated through newer versions of the same program and they warn the user that the file is from a newer version... and they don't corrupt the file itself in the process. Minecraft currently opens the file with older versions, but then just toasts it... rendering it unloadable or resetting the terrain completely (eliminating the players builds, etc.) Even without actually saving over the file, the file gets damaged, so some change occurs right upon opening. Couldn't it be done by just inserting code in the file when saved with a newer version that the older version just doesn't recognize and, therefore, won't attempt to open the file?
You'd have to change the base versions of game, both disc and downloadable.Not impossible for the virtual version, but I'm unaware if 4J is allowed to rewrite a disc from inside the xbox...
Still don't really get it. Minecraft won't open, say, game saves created by, say, by the Xbox One version without having to change the older base version of the game. Why can't they make the newer Xbox 360 file saves somewhat incompatible with the older versions of the game (say by changing the file extension like Microsoft did with .xls vs. .xlsx files. If you did want to move an old save forward to a newer version, you could put it through a transfer process the same way people had to in order to move their 360 saves onto the Xbox One, but once this was done, wouldn't the older versions of the 360 game just not be able to open the file?