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Where are the updates, we have been waiting months for an update, all we have had is half measure fixes, a few doors and MICROSOFT wanting $$ (star wars/doctor who etc).
Had a great seed going, good people, great builds(mega builds). All quit the game. Now when I see a minecraft update pop up I know it's just more texture packs, they need more $$$, but are not doing their job.
Still huge bugs in the game ignored, eg. Blazes don't spawn from blaze spawners....
No new biomes, though they thought we'd be happy with a few chunks of wood and some doors.
Meanwhile my notifications screen is sprawling with great updates from nearly every other game. Even my 7year old is tired of waiting, found himself some better managed games to play.
Agreed, this is perhaps always going to be clouded in mixed schemes no matter what, on Playstation 4 we are either getting ripped off their end of the promise (which wouldn't be a surprise coming from Microsoft messing things up just like EA Games) or they want to toss us a few bones once the next available update has already become old news for Xbox Consoles. Whatever circumstance it is, it should no longer be an issue as seen before by Mojang/4J Studios dealing with Playstation running differently for a Java-based game.
Microsoft is way too rich to have excuses, especially when they make the promise of soon having all consoles and devices one day running an equal version of the game. Just look at the facts, they can't even keep the two front-runner consoles to be up-to-par on the same update for a game that takes up less than a small fraction of a gigabyte to store.
That right there is a problem compared everything out there today, like I can't even have the pleasure of being annoyed to see that I can't play the game right away because they just aren't bothering to update the game file.
This is a lie that they cannot get a good update on PS4, it's an even bigger lie they can't add more content because they prefer to bug fix first.
Look at it this way,
if Microsoft has EVER needed to realize what happens when updating ANYTHING belonging to them, it's this:
There will always be a need for more bug fixes even after a bug fix.
The whole notion of it being in the hands of Microsoft as we are currently seeing is exactly the kind of terrible work I was suspecting, even well before Notch had officially opted out of Mojang.
Which while his decision to put this in Microsoft's hands wasn't for the money, he could've at least entrusted the "sanity" of the game's future to someone that would actually try to avoid bias and make this future enjoyable for everyone no matter the console or mobile device.
At the very very least Notch should've (or should) just tell Microsoft straight-up don't mess up my game for everyone - that's what's happening right now, they want to milk Notch's big baby dry by maxing out the deal exclusively to Microsoft's end as a first priority.
(Sounds just like the Call of Duty DLC packs unfortunately.)
Bottomline this is just disappointing to not see the attempt at something new and productive for us on console.
(Adding Skin Packs don't count, don't need more microtransactions, the City Texture pack is still the best one lol)
Most games: pay €65, get a few patches, pay €20 for DLC features. Pay €65 again the next year, sometimes for as little as a roster update (I'm looking at you, EA). Minecraft: pay €25 once, play forever, with free feature updates alongside bug fixes.
If Mojang/4J never ever updated again I would still spend hours in it and even recommend it as a new purchase (but please don't, Mojang/4J). You're getting so much value for your money already, don't be greedy.
There are free games that rely on optional micro transaction systems that update their games A LOT more than minecraft. It's not greed that fuels this is BOREDOM, greed is Mojang/4J and Microsoft. We just want new biomes and blocks. One main update per year, is not good enough in today's world.
If fallout4 gets here before a new update, minecraft is gone for me
As robkaper already said, don't be greedy. Would it be nice if we got the biomes to go with the acacia and dark oak wood? Yes. Is an update necessary to keep me interested in the game? Not at all. I use creative mode more than anything anyway - for both building and digging out an entire map until it's nothing but bedrock - but if I was bigger on survival, I'd still be happy with the game as it is. There's more than enough to keep me occupied. The only thing I'm really annoyed at not having is the Halloween texture pack, but that's just an aesthetic thing. If you're really that salty about Minecraft not updating to your high standards, why not quit now and stop bringing other people down with your negativity?
Microsoft is way too rich to have excuses, especially when they make the promise of soon having all consoles and devices one day running an equal version of the game.
Minecraft for consoles is not being developed by Microsoft, though. 4J is a totally different company, and has been neither bought nor sold.
And, again, as I've said numerous times where this thread has cropped up before (really, isn't one instance of it enough?): How much are you paying for these updates?
If you're not paying for something, you have no right to demand that it be given to you.
There are free games that rely on optional micro transaction systems that update their games A LOT more than minecraft. It's not greed that fuels this is BOREDOM, greed is Mojang/4J and Microsoft. We just want new biomes and blocks. One main update per year, is not good enough in today's world.
If fallout4 gets here before a new update, minecraft is gone for me
And this people, is why we can't have good things (enough said).
As robkaper already said, don't be greedy. Would it be nice if we got the biomes to go with the acacia and dark oak wood? Yes. Is an update necessary to keep me interested in the game? Not at all. I use creative mode more than anything anyway - for both building and digging out an entire map until it's nothing but bedrock - but if I was bigger on survival, I'd still be happy with the game as it is. There's more than enough to keep me occupied. The only thing I'm really annoyed at not having is the Halloween texture pack, but that's just an aesthetic thing. If you're really that salty about Minecraft not updating to your high standards, why not quit now and stop bringing other people down with your negativity?
Most games: pay €65, get a few patches, pay €20 for DLC features. Pay €65 again the next year, sometimes for as little as a roster update (I'm looking at you, EA). Minecraft: pay €25 once, play forever, with free feature updates alongside bug fixes.
If Mojang/4J never ever updated again I would still spend hours in it and even recommend it as a new purchase (but please don't, Mojang/4J). You're getting so much value for your money already, don't be greedy.
Minecraft for consoles is not being developed by Microsoft, though. 4J is a totally different company, and has been neither bought nor sold.
And, again, as I've said numerous times where this thread has cropped up before (really, isn't one instance of it enough?): How much are you paying for these updates?
If you're not paying for something, you have no right to demand that it be given to you.
While I don't disagree with your general point, it's not really too much to ask that our version keeps up with PC. It's frustrating knowing there are game resources that I don't have access to. Especially since coding for this game isn't especially hard, so they are likely just sitting on it.
What benefit would they gain from "just sitting on it"? Players want everything just like the PC right now, so if they were "just sitting on it" they could make their customers happy in an instant. Generally, businesses want their customers to be happy, not saying things like "this is a joke", so I think they'd do that.
Rewriting the Minecraft code in a totally different language (more than one now, I believe) for a different platform (or five) with totally different system constraints is not as easy as it sounds. Then you have to add in the fact that a different company is doing it, and anything that company produces has to pass certification testing by two other companies -- Sony and Microsoft -- and it gets even harder. Pile on the fact that the company has to pay cash money for every update they produce, too.
There aren't game resources that you don't have access to. There are game resources in a different game, sold by a different company, on a different platform, that you don't have access to (unless you were to buy that game, of course). Minecraft/PC is not Minecraft/console is not Minecraft/pocket. Someone playing Minecraft/console complaining that the game they bought is just the game they bought, not a different game, and they don't have ocean monuments like Minecraft/PC is like someone playing Minecraft/PC and complaining that the game they bought is just the game they bought, and they don't have beetroots or stonecutters like Minecraft/pocket.
It is what it is. More exactly, it is what you bought. If you didn't want the game you bought, why on earth did you buy it? And if you did want the game you bought, then anything 4J adds to it is a bonus, not an obligation.
What benefit would they gain from "just sitting on it"? Players want everything just like the PC right now, so if they were "just sitting on it" they could make their customers happy in an instant. Generally, businesses want their customers to be happy, not saying things like "this is a joke", so I think they'd do that.
Rewriting the Minecraft code in a totally different language (more than one now, I believe) for a different platform (or five) with totally different system constraints is not as easy as it sounds. Then you have to add in the fact that a different company is doing it, and anything that company produces has to pass certification testing by two other companies -- Sony and Microsoft -- and it gets even harder. Pile on the fact that the company has to pay cash money for every update they produce, too.
There aren't game resources that you don't have access to. There are game resources in a different game, sold by a different company, on a different platform, that you don't have access to (unless you were to buy that game, of course). Minecraft/PC is not Minecraft/console is not Minecraft/pocket. Someone playing Minecraft/console complaining that the game they bought is just the game they bought, not a different game, and they don't have ocean monuments like Minecraft/PC is like someone playing Minecraft/PC and complaining that the game they bought is just the game they bought, and they don't have beetroots or stonecutters like Minecraft/pocket.
It is what it is. More exactly, it is what you bought. If you didn't want the game you bought, why on earth did you buy it? And if you did want the game you bought, then anything 4J adds to it is a bonus, not an obligation.
I bought this game with the expectation, an expectation fueled by what both Mojang and 4J said would happen, that we would get updated to the current version of the game. A promise they made repeatedly over multiple press releases way back in the last gen days. An expectation confirmed by individuals in various tweets.
I'm not one of these kiddies that demands things immediately. I understand the effort that goes into these things. I'm also grateful that they have continued to update the game. But I don't see how you can call these huge gaps between updates at least annoying, if not unreasonable. When you make a promise there is an expectation that you will deliver.
As for why they would hold it...that would seem obvious. They want nothing to take away from Story Mode. They don't want us flocking back to the real game, they want us to spend money on the pretender because they know fans are hurting for a "fix".
They are missing a huge opportunity here. The Bountiful Update and a texture pack/mash up pack could have had their fans pounding the game and buying the texture pack/mash up pack to kill time before next month. But Fallout is going to own the rest of the year. It's completely foolish to not get this out before Fallout comes out.
I can't understand why they would let their update get buried in the Holiday season instead making some buzz for themselves now.
Nothing I type here matters. I'm just using it to vent. But I wish they would at least give us some sort of update. Are we getting the update? Is it coming in December? Are we even going to get the mass updates anymore or will they be reserved for Xbox like many of the skin packs have?
I imagine you'd see a lot less threads complaining about this if there was some communication.
I bought this game with the expectation, an expectation fueled by what both Mojang and 4J said would happen, that we would get updated to the current version of the game. A promise they made repeatedly over multiple press releases way back in the last gen days. An expectation confirmed by individuals in various tweets.
If you would be so kind, could you please link one of those press releases for me to read? Thanks.
I'm not one of these kiddies that demands things immediately. I understand the effort that goes into these things.
Quote from your post: "Especially since coding for this game isn't especially hard, so they are likely just sitting on it."
I'm also grateful that they have continued to update the game. But I don't see how you can call these huge gaps between updates at least annoying, if not unreasonable.
I don't, probably because I'm old enough to expect that what I get will be what comes in the box, not something else to be delivered later. For most of the history of computer games, and for most of the time I've been playing computer games, that's how it's been. If a game looked like something you wanted, you bought it; if it didn't, you didn't, but either way, there was no expectation even that the bugs would be fixed, let alone new content added, game balance changed, and the whole game slowly converted into something very different from what was in that original box. You may argue that it isn't that way, or it shouldn't be that way, but the reason I don't feel that gaps between updates (or even a cessation of updates entirely) are not annoying or unreasonable is that I'm old-school enough to have never expected them in the first place.
When you make a promise there is an expectation that you will deliver.
As I said, I'd greatly appreciate a link to these promises you're referring to, as I hadn't seen them when I bought it myself, so I can evaluate the primary source.
As for why they would hold it...that would seem obvious. They want nothing to take away from Story Mode. They don't want us flocking back to the real game, they want us to spend money on the pretender because they know fans are hurting for a "fix".
Why would 4J care about how much money Telltale Games makes, or doesn't make? So much so that they'd sacrifice their own income for a competing computer game company?
If you're saying that Microsoft is requiring this, I find it highly doubtful. The odds are that 4J's contract with Mojang, which far predates the Microsoft sale, is a fairly simple licensing arrangement where Mojang provides the Minecraft source code, 4J produces a console port, and 4J pays Mojang royalties. It's highly doubtful that there is anything in that contract whereby Mojang/Microsoft could require 4J to not produce a product in order to enhance the sales of another product which didn't even exist at the time the contract was written.
As someone who has spent many times the price of Minecraft on spin-offs ranging from the calendar on my wall to the "creepers gonna creep" T-shirt in my closet, I'm not going to deny that Minecraft fans want our "fix". However, I'm much less likely to buy a game I'm not interested in from a company that doesn't make games I like just because it says "Minecraft" on it than I am to buy another T-shirt, or next year's calendar (where is it, anyway?), or any of the rest of the Minecraft paraphernalia out there.
They are missing a huge opportunity here. The Bountiful Update and a texture pack/mash up pack could have had their fans pounding the game and buying the texture pack/mash up pack to kill time before next month. But Fallout is going to own the rest of the year. It's completely foolish to not get this out before Fallout comes out.
If we grant that this is true, and we know 4J is a smart bunch of people, it would seem that they know about this opportunity, no? And if they know about it and aren't releasing content to capitalize on it, then they're not doing it because they're stupid; they're doing it because something else is preventing them from doing so. Microsoft is also not made up of stupid people (ruthless, yes; stupid, no) so they certainly wouldn't miss a revenue-earning opportunity either. So that argument is self-defeating.
I can't really add much more until I've had time to read those links to 4J's press releases that you mentioned.
Been opting out of chipping in to this thread for awhile now but hey....you only live once eh? (Prepares for ensuing flaming).
Firstly...if you look closely enough...a "Promise" WAS made. It's right there on the load screen. On occasions it clearly states.....and I quote...."THERE WILL BE UPDATES TO THIS GAME.......EVENTUALLY". Now if that's not a "Promise" in those exact terms then it's as sure as hell a solid commitment.
"But we've recieved updates".... I hear the nay sayers say. True...we have....but after each update that splash still appears which in effect reaffirms and reinstates that "Promise"....commitment....whatever...and until the time it's removed the expectation of future updates will continue.
So it brings me to my next point.....what is an "update" as such. Well texture packs and skins I guess you could call updates....loosely....but not bug fixes or patches. Fixes to an existing structure is not really adding anything new...merely smoothing out a few overlooked rough edges. So no....patches and fixes do not count as "updates" in my mind. Obviously the real focus on the meaning of "update" is the addition of new features such as biomes, materials and the like. Having said that I can pretty much safely assume that's what the splash message on the load screen was eluding to.
With all the above in clearer focus I can fully understand the frustration that some players are experiencing when said "promises" are not delivered....or delivered at such an incredibly slow rate. It's not players having an unrealistic sense of entitlement.....just wanting delivery of the commitment that is STILL in effect (although you may have to load your game a few dozen times to see the specific splash message). Once that splash is removed i'll no longer feel "entitled" to future updates....but until that time comes the commitment HAS been made.....and we all know it's poor form to go back on ones word eh?
Do I think Microsoft is purposely putting the spanner in the works?.....no...no I don't. Do I think 4J are simply either understaffed, underskilled or under resourced...yes....firmly. I have some very good friends in the game development business, in companies much bigger than 4J/Mojang, and even they agree that Minecraft would've been better off (for players at least) in the hands of a bigger, more polished, outfit. I know some of you may love the work that 4J does and are very happy with current things.....good for you.....but remember that's your opinion and everyone is entitled to have differing views.
Ok ok ill go brace myself for all the negative critique incoming my way......anyone know how to craft diamond undies with a protection enchantment of 100?
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Been opting out of chipping in to this thread for awhile now but hey....you only live once eh? (Prepares for ensuing flaming).
Flaming is not permitted on the Minecraft Forum. There is a massive difference between disagreement and flaming.
Firstly...if you look closely enough...a "Promise" WAS made. It's right there on the load screen. On occasions it clearly states.....and I quote...."THERE WILL BE UPDATES TO THIS GAME.......EVENTUALLY". Now if that's not a "Promise" in those exact terms then it's as sure as hell a solid commitment.
"EVENTUALLY" So if there's an update to the game some time in 2018, the promise has been fulfilled.
Obviously the real focus on the meaning of "update" is the addition of new features such as biomes, materials and the like. Having said that I can pretty much safely assume that's what the splash message on the load screen was eluding to.
The existence of that message is a fact; the interpretation of it is an opinion.
"Obviously"?
According to dictionary.com, the relevant meaning is "to incorporate new or more accurate information in (a database, program, procedure, etc.)." (the noun is basically 'doing the verb.') So, if we want to get definition-geeky here, "new or more accurate" would, in fact, include bug fixes and patches. So, within the letter of the message, they could put out a bug fix ten years from now and it would be sufficient.
And there's the matter of the EVENTUALLY part. If your maiden aunt says she'll get married "eventually" do not start shopping for a tux.
This is why, by the way, software companies (especially game companies) rarely announce a specific date for anything: In an industry where buyers take something as vague as "eventually" to mean "right away, when I want" actually committing to a date is business suicide. Been there, done that, and it's not pretty.
With all the above in clearer focus I can fully understand the frustration that some players are experiencing when said "promises" are not delivered....or delivered at such an incredibly slow rate.
What promises have not been fulfilled?
4J did not promise to release new biomes for MC/console on August 23, 2015. They promised "updates" would come "eventually." That is, some code changes would be made, at some unspecified time in the future. Aside from the fact that they have done such updates, repeatedly, that unspecified time in the future remains in the future.
It's not players having an unrealistic sense of entitlement.....just wanting delivery of the commitment that is STILL in effect (although you may have to load your game a few dozen times to see the specific splash message). Once that splash is removed i'll no longer feel "entitled" to future updates....but until that time comes the commitment HAS been made.....and we all know it's poor form to go back on ones word eh?
So where have they gone back on their word? They have released updates ranging from bug fixes to addition of massive amounts of content since the first console release (for the 360). So "updates" have happened, and there is no reason to believe they will not continue to happen. They did not give any specific date, so "eventually" has not passed. Their promise (such as it is) was to continue doing at some unspecified time in the future the same thing they've done repeatedly in the past, and that promise has not been broken.
I'm not sure why I'm still arguing this. The entitlement issue remains. You're taking "there will be updates eventually" and interpreting that to mean "there will be all of the additions I want when I want them." They're not the same thing.
I got the game I bought and paid for. Additional content is a bonus for which I am grateful, not demanding more. I think anyone who bought a game they didn't like because they expected it to be turned into a game they would like at some point in the future is doing it wrong. If it's not the game you want, but you think it will be some day, then put the money under your mattress and wait until it is the game you want, and buy it then, or until they go in some other direction entirely, and buy some other game instead. Either way, you win.
Didn't look up the exact definition of the word 'flaming'....but thought it was sufficient to get my point across. Anyway my apologies for not being fully up to date with all the lingo used these days. I am humbled by your correction.
Yes...if Mojang do an update in 2018 then they've for kept their end of the bargain....that was never in dispute.
The appropriate length of time to wait for "updates" is again subject to personal opinion.
As of the last update....and the presence of the splash message still in effect that "promise/commitment" has not been for filled...be it one day, one year or one century.....makes no difference. At no point did I demand immediate retification as I'm fully educated on the meaning of the word 'eventually'. I'm also familiar with terms like 'timely delivery'.
I am fully aware that updates have been recieved but as I stated earlier....everytime that splash message appears AFTER an update has been released the "promise" takes new effect. And...I might add...if this "promise" is not delivered then indeed 4J will have effectively gone back on their word. My statement stands. I did not say 4J have broken any agreement so far in my original post correct?
Finally I've already bought that tux for my Aunts wedding.....but if it's too early I can sell it to you on the cheap as a token of goodwill. Do you fit a medium?
Guys i know u guys are going really high on this topic but to be true i just want command blocks and those could keep me going for about a year and they have even made the models and different textures for these command blocks in different texture packs so all i wanna say is that if a guy gets command blocks he can go a year almost without updates so if any of u guys know someone in 4j or Mojang remind them about the command blocks for minecraft ps3
Where are the updates, we have been waiting months for an update, all we have had is half measure fixes, a few doors and MICROSOFT wanting $$ (star wars/doctor who etc).
Had a great seed going, good people, great builds(mega builds). All quit the game. Now when I see a minecraft update pop up I know it's just more texture packs, they need more $$$, but are not doing their job.
Still huge bugs in the game ignored, eg. Blazes don't spawn from blaze spawners....
No new biomes, though they thought we'd be happy with a few chunks of wood and some doors.
Meanwhile my notifications screen is sprawling with great updates from nearly every other game. Even my 7year old is tired of waiting, found himself some better managed games to play.
Agreed, this is perhaps always going to be clouded in mixed schemes no matter what, on Playstation 4 we are either getting ripped off their end of the promise (which wouldn't be a surprise coming from Microsoft messing things up just like EA Games) or they want to toss us a few bones once the next available update has already become old news for Xbox Consoles. Whatever circumstance it is, it should no longer be an issue as seen before by Mojang/4J Studios dealing with Playstation running differently for a Java-based game.
Microsoft is way too rich to have excuses, especially when they make the promise of soon having all consoles and devices one day running an equal version of the game. Just look at the facts, they can't even keep the two front-runner consoles to be up-to-par on the same update for a game that takes up less than a small fraction of a gigabyte to store.
That right there is a problem compared everything out there today, like I can't even have the pleasure of being annoyed to see that I can't play the game right away because they just aren't bothering to update the game file.
This is a lie that they cannot get a good update on PS4, it's an even bigger lie they can't add more content because they prefer to bug fix first.
Look at it this way,
if Microsoft has EVER needed to realize what happens when updating ANYTHING belonging to them, it's this:
There will always be a need for more bug fixes even after a bug fix.
The whole notion of it being in the hands of Microsoft as we are currently seeing is exactly the kind of terrible work I was suspecting, even well before Notch had officially opted out of Mojang.
Which while his decision to put this in Microsoft's hands wasn't for the money, he could've at least entrusted the "sanity" of the game's future to someone that would actually try to avoid bias and make this future enjoyable for everyone no matter the console or mobile device.
At the very very least Notch should've (or should) just tell Microsoft straight-up don't mess up my game for everyone - that's what's happening right now, they want to milk Notch's big baby dry by maxing out the deal exclusively to Microsoft's end as a first priority.
(Sounds just like the Call of Duty DLC packs unfortunately.)
Bottomline this is just disappointing to not see the attempt at something new and productive for us on console.
(Adding Skin Packs don't count, don't need more microtransactions, the City Texture pack is still the best one lol)
Jesus is Lord!
There are free games that rely on optional micro transaction systems that update their games A LOT more than minecraft. It's not greed that fuels this is BOREDOM, greed is Mojang/4J and Microsoft. We just want new biomes and blocks. One main update per year, is not good enough in today's world.
If fallout4 gets here before a new update, minecraft is gone for me
As robkaper already said, don't be greedy. Would it be nice if we got the biomes to go with the acacia and dark oak wood? Yes. Is an update necessary to keep me interested in the game? Not at all. I use creative mode more than anything anyway - for both building and digging out an entire map until it's nothing but bedrock - but if I was bigger on survival, I'd still be happy with the game as it is. There's more than enough to keep me occupied. The only thing I'm really annoyed at not having is the Halloween texture pack, but that's just an aesthetic thing. If you're really that salty about Minecraft not updating to your high standards, why not quit now and stop bringing other people down with your negativity?
Minecraft for consoles is not being developed by Microsoft, though. 4J is a totally different company, and has been neither bought nor sold.
And, again, as I've said numerous times where this thread has cropped up before (really, isn't one instance of it enough?): How much are you paying for these updates?
If you're not paying for something, you have no right to demand that it be given to you.
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While I don't disagree with your general point, it's not really too much to ask that our version keeps up with PC. It's frustrating knowing there are game resources that I don't have access to. Especially since coding for this game isn't especially hard, so they are likely just sitting on it.
What benefit would they gain from "just sitting on it"? Players want everything just like the PC right now, so if they were "just sitting on it" they could make their customers happy in an instant. Generally, businesses want their customers to be happy, not saying things like "this is a joke", so I think they'd do that.
Rewriting the Minecraft code in a totally different language (more than one now, I believe) for a different platform (or five) with totally different system constraints is not as easy as it sounds. Then you have to add in the fact that a different company is doing it, and anything that company produces has to pass certification testing by two other companies -- Sony and Microsoft -- and it gets even harder. Pile on the fact that the company has to pay cash money for every update they produce, too.
There aren't game resources that you don't have access to. There are game resources in a different game, sold by a different company, on a different platform, that you don't have access to (unless you were to buy that game, of course). Minecraft/PC is not Minecraft/console is not Minecraft/pocket. Someone playing Minecraft/console complaining that the game they bought is just the game they bought, not a different game, and they don't have ocean monuments like Minecraft/PC is like someone playing Minecraft/PC and complaining that the game they bought is just the game they bought, and they don't have beetroots or stonecutters like Minecraft/pocket.
It is what it is. More exactly, it is what you bought. If you didn't want the game you bought, why on earth did you buy it? And if you did want the game you bought, then anything 4J adds to it is a bonus, not an obligation.
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I bought this game with the expectation, an expectation fueled by what both Mojang and 4J said would happen, that we would get updated to the current version of the game. A promise they made repeatedly over multiple press releases way back in the last gen days. An expectation confirmed by individuals in various tweets.
I'm not one of these kiddies that demands things immediately. I understand the effort that goes into these things. I'm also grateful that they have continued to update the game. But I don't see how you can call these huge gaps between updates at least annoying, if not unreasonable. When you make a promise there is an expectation that you will deliver.
As for why they would hold it...that would seem obvious. They want nothing to take away from Story Mode. They don't want us flocking back to the real game, they want us to spend money on the pretender because they know fans are hurting for a "fix".
They are missing a huge opportunity here. The Bountiful Update and a texture pack/mash up pack could have had their fans pounding the game and buying the texture pack/mash up pack to kill time before next month. But Fallout is going to own the rest of the year. It's completely foolish to not get this out before Fallout comes out.
I can't understand why they would let their update get buried in the Holiday season instead making some buzz for themselves now.
Nothing I type here matters. I'm just using it to vent. But I wish they would at least give us some sort of update. Are we getting the update? Is it coming in December? Are we even going to get the mass updates anymore or will they be reserved for Xbox like many of the skin packs have?
I imagine you'd see a lot less threads complaining about this if there was some communication.
If you would be so kind, could you please link one of those press releases for me to read? Thanks.
Quote from your post: "Especially since coding for this game isn't especially hard, so they are likely just sitting on it."
I don't, probably because I'm old enough to expect that what I get will be what comes in the box, not something else to be delivered later. For most of the history of computer games, and for most of the time I've been playing computer games, that's how it's been. If a game looked like something you wanted, you bought it; if it didn't, you didn't, but either way, there was no expectation even that the bugs would be fixed, let alone new content added, game balance changed, and the whole game slowly converted into something very different from what was in that original box. You may argue that it isn't that way, or it shouldn't be that way, but the reason I don't feel that gaps between updates (or even a cessation of updates entirely) are not annoying or unreasonable is that I'm old-school enough to have never expected them in the first place.
As I said, I'd greatly appreciate a link to these promises you're referring to, as I hadn't seen them when I bought it myself, so I can evaluate the primary source.
Why would 4J care about how much money Telltale Games makes, or doesn't make? So much so that they'd sacrifice their own income for a competing computer game company?
If you're saying that Microsoft is requiring this, I find it highly doubtful. The odds are that 4J's contract with Mojang, which far predates the Microsoft sale, is a fairly simple licensing arrangement where Mojang provides the Minecraft source code, 4J produces a console port, and 4J pays Mojang royalties. It's highly doubtful that there is anything in that contract whereby Mojang/Microsoft could require 4J to not produce a product in order to enhance the sales of another product which didn't even exist at the time the contract was written.
As someone who has spent many times the price of Minecraft on spin-offs ranging from the calendar on my wall to the "creepers gonna creep" T-shirt in my closet, I'm not going to deny that Minecraft fans want our "fix". However, I'm much less likely to buy a game I'm not interested in from a company that doesn't make games I like just because it says "Minecraft" on it than I am to buy another T-shirt, or next year's calendar (where is it, anyway?), or any of the rest of the Minecraft paraphernalia out there.
If we grant that this is true, and we know 4J is a smart bunch of people, it would seem that they know about this opportunity, no? And if they know about it and aren't releasing content to capitalize on it, then they're not doing it because they're stupid; they're doing it because something else is preventing them from doing so. Microsoft is also not made up of stupid people (ruthless, yes; stupid, no) so they certainly wouldn't miss a revenue-earning opportunity either. So that argument is self-defeating.
I can't really add much more until I've had time to read those links to 4J's press releases that you mentioned.
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Been opting out of chipping in to this thread for awhile now but hey....you only live once eh? (Prepares for ensuing flaming).
Firstly...if you look closely enough...a "Promise" WAS made. It's right there on the load screen. On occasions it clearly states.....and I quote...."THERE WILL BE UPDATES TO THIS GAME.......EVENTUALLY". Now if that's not a "Promise" in those exact terms then it's as sure as hell a solid commitment.
"But we've recieved updates".... I hear the nay sayers say. True...we have....but after each update that splash still appears which in effect reaffirms and reinstates that "Promise"....commitment....whatever...and until the time it's removed the expectation of future updates will continue.
So it brings me to my next point.....what is an "update" as such. Well texture packs and skins I guess you could call updates....loosely....but not bug fixes or patches. Fixes to an existing structure is not really adding anything new...merely smoothing out a few overlooked rough edges. So no....patches and fixes do not count as "updates" in my mind. Obviously the real focus on the meaning of "update" is the addition of new features such as biomes, materials and the like. Having said that I can pretty much safely assume that's what the splash message on the load screen was eluding to.
With all the above in clearer focus I can fully understand the frustration that some players are experiencing when said "promises" are not delivered....or delivered at such an incredibly slow rate. It's not players having an unrealistic sense of entitlement.....just wanting delivery of the commitment that is STILL in effect (although you may have to load your game a few dozen times to see the specific splash message). Once that splash is removed i'll no longer feel "entitled" to future updates....but until that time comes the commitment HAS been made.....and we all know it's poor form to go back on ones word eh?
Do I think Microsoft is purposely putting the spanner in the works?.....no...no I don't. Do I think 4J are simply either understaffed, underskilled or under resourced...yes....firmly. I have some very good friends in the game development business, in companies much bigger than 4J/Mojang, and even they agree that Minecraft would've been better off (for players at least) in the hands of a bigger, more polished, outfit. I know some of you may love the work that 4J does and are very happy with current things.....good for you.....but remember that's your opinion and everyone is entitled to have differing views.
Ok ok ill go brace myself for all the negative critique incoming my way......anyone know how to craft diamond undies with a protection enchantment of 100?
Regards,
Thr33 Nin3s
Flaming is not permitted on the Minecraft Forum. There is a massive difference between disagreement and flaming.
"EVENTUALLY" So if there's an update to the game some time in 2018, the promise has been fulfilled.
The existence of that message is a fact; the interpretation of it is an opinion.
"Obviously"?
According to dictionary.com, the relevant meaning is "to incorporate new or more accurate information in (a database, program, procedure, etc.)." (the noun is basically 'doing the verb.') So, if we want to get definition-geeky here, "new or more accurate" would, in fact, include bug fixes and patches. So, within the letter of the message, they could put out a bug fix ten years from now and it would be sufficient.
And there's the matter of the EVENTUALLY part. If your maiden aunt says she'll get married "eventually" do not start shopping for a tux.
This is why, by the way, software companies (especially game companies) rarely announce a specific date for anything: In an industry where buyers take something as vague as "eventually" to mean "right away, when I want" actually committing to a date is business suicide. Been there, done that, and it's not pretty.
What promises have not been fulfilled?
4J did not promise to release new biomes for MC/console on August 23, 2015. They promised "updates" would come "eventually." That is, some code changes would be made, at some unspecified time in the future. Aside from the fact that they have done such updates, repeatedly, that unspecified time in the future remains in the future.
So where have they gone back on their word? They have released updates ranging from bug fixes to addition of massive amounts of content since the first console release (for the 360). So "updates" have happened, and there is no reason to believe they will not continue to happen. They did not give any specific date, so "eventually" has not passed. Their promise (such as it is) was to continue doing at some unspecified time in the future the same thing they've done repeatedly in the past, and that promise has not been broken.
I'm not sure why I'm still arguing this. The entitlement issue remains. You're taking "there will be updates eventually" and interpreting that to mean "there will be all of the additions I want when I want them." They're not the same thing.
I got the game I bought and paid for. Additional content is a bonus for which I am grateful, not demanding more. I think anyone who bought a game they didn't like because they expected it to be turned into a game they would like at some point in the future is doing it wrong. If it's not the game you want, but you think it will be some day, then put the money under your mattress and wait until it is the game you want, and buy it then, or until they go in some other direction entirely, and buy some other game instead. Either way, you win.
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Didn't look up the exact definition of the word 'flaming'....but thought it was sufficient to get my point across. Anyway my apologies for not being fully up to date with all the lingo used these days. I am humbled by your correction.
Yes...if Mojang do an update in 2018 then they've for kept their end of the bargain....that was never in dispute.
The appropriate length of time to wait for "updates" is again subject to personal opinion.
As of the last update....and the presence of the splash message still in effect that "promise/commitment" has not been for filled...be it one day, one year or one century.....makes no difference. At no point did I demand immediate retification as I'm fully educated on the meaning of the word 'eventually'. I'm also familiar with terms like 'timely delivery'.
I am fully aware that updates have been recieved but as I stated earlier....everytime that splash message appears AFTER an update has been released the "promise" takes new effect. And...I might add...if this "promise" is not delivered then indeed 4J will have effectively gone back on their word. My statement stands. I did not say 4J have broken any agreement so far in my original post correct?
Finally I've already bought that tux for my Aunts wedding.....but if it's too early I can sell it to you on the cheap as a token of goodwill. Do you fit a medium?
Thr33 Nin3s
Tell em man.
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Guys i know u guys are going really high on this topic but to be true i just want command blocks and those could keep me going for about a year and they have even made the models and different textures for these command blocks in different texture packs so all i wanna say is that if a guy gets command blocks he can go a year almost without updates so if any of u guys know someone in 4j or Mojang remind them about the command blocks for minecraft ps3
Cause it really changes everything
Have to agree that command blocks is something I'd love to see too. That and slime blocks.