I can call them lazy when the amount of time between updates increases a ton and when Mod the API kept getting delayed and delayed and delayed because they never actually do any work on it. Even when they say, "Yup, this is the update where we are gonna release it and put the majority of our time on it" they just add stupid stuff and then, unsurprisingly, they release the version and delay the API to the next version.
I like the quote in your signature. I would encourage you to take a look at the link in my signature so you can use your freedom of speech more effectively.
FYI: Never not once has a release date/time/update been set or even hinted at. Please source the paraphrased quote you are using as the foundation for your argument.
Also, I specifically linked to this topic in the topic linked in my signature.
Would you walk up to Jeb at minecon, look him in the eyes, neglect to thank him for his work on the game and say to his face "You are a lazy jerk and you're ruining the game for impatient children like me"? If you would, you either have a lot of life left to live before you should participate in discussion, or you are a raving psychopath.
I always hate that word in relation to Minecraft. "Promised". It's almost never used correctly. Normally it stems from an imaginary agreement between Mojang and the fans that only the fans believe to exist: That whatever Mojang says might happen is a promise that it will happen.
No offense, but your argument is invalid. First of all, we're only one month into the year, and second of all, they've got maybe two or three people working on the game. We've got well over two hundred modders. Another thing, the game is written in Java. Not JavaScript. Get your facts straight before you accuse Mojang of being lazy.
Actually, he promised it for 1.3 originally, and it's been a LONG time since then. Then they said 1.5, but there is no sign of it yet.
Okay, take a deep breath... Refrain from exploding...
Look. You clearly don't understand what "Please SOURCE your information" means. Go find a quote and give me your source(s) and we'll talk. Until then, I can't help but think you're an idiot.
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Actually, he promised it for 1.3 originally, and it's been a LONG time since then. Then they said 1.5, but there is no sign of it yet.
No "promises" were made. This is a promise:
"We Promise we will release Version X.X with a Modding API"
This is not a Promise:
"We intend to release Version X.X with a Modding API"
Even this isn't a promise:
"We will release Version X.X with a Modding API"
that is, these "promises" are nothing but vague hopes and musings made by the developer(s), only made public because of the high level of community interaction. Imagine if, say, Oblivion, was made available in the same fashion from early beta. People would be complaining about the "promised" Radiant AI that was subsequently removed.
What I've never really understood about people so in love with the Modding API is that most of them can't program anyway. I half-suspect some people think it's something like a special user-accessible editor for the game. If you don't know Java, it's going to be bloody useless to you no matter when it's released.
"We Promise we will release Version X.X with a Modding API"
This is not a Promise:
"We intend to release Version X.X with a Modding API"
Even this isn't a promise:
"We will release Version X.X with a Modding API"
that is, these "promises" are nothing but vague hopes and musings made by the developer(s), only made public because of the high level of community interaction. Imagine if, say, Oblivion, was made available in the same fashion from early beta. People would be complaining about the "promised" Radiant AI that was subsequently removed.
What I've never really understood about people so in love with the Modding API is that most of them can't program anyway. I half-suspect some people think it's something like a special user-accessible editor for the game. If you don't know Java, it's going to be bloody useless to you no matter when it's released.
As always, very insightful. Upvote4u.
By the way, I'd suspect the majority of people who are clamoring for a Mod API are really annoyed by a two-day window where they can't update and have to wait for their favorite mods to update. Then having to re-install all of their mods.
Yes, this is annoying. It is also EXACTLY WHAT YOU SIGN UP FOR by using mods. If you don't like putting in the effort to maintain your mod(pack)s, use the FTB launcher or Tekkit launcher. They manage everything for your tiny minds.
Okay, take a deep breath... Refrain from exploding...
Look. You clearly don't understand what "Please SOURCE your information" means. Go find a quote and give me your source(s) and we'll talk. Until then, I can't help but think you're an idiot.
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1.) Minecraft is developed in Java
2.) Mojang has been working very hard. Have you visted mojang.com ? They attempt to release weekly snapshots on the game.
3.) If you were around during Alpha / Beta, you would be surprised how long it took for updates to be released. I personally think updates are being released faster.
4.) I would like you to code a game and update it with more features then Mojang is every month. You complain Mojan is slow? Well, let us see how fast you can do what they do.
How was I on the verge of exploding? Don't make assumptions over the internet, guru. I can't find the 1.3 bit, but I have a link to an article about them saying it will probably be in 1.4 instead, and I am 100% certain it was promised for 1.3.
To get any of the tweets about 1.3 and Mod API is pretty much impossible at this point.
I was talking to myself, oh great Lord of Assumption. People like you are infuriating.
By the way, I'm no longer fighting the acceptance of my swelling anger.
In what way does an off-hand "probably" on TWITTER OF ALL THE CRYING OUT LOUD GOD-FORSAKEN MEDIUMS OF COMMUNICATION constitute a promise?
You are "100% certain it was promised for 1.3" because your brain is playing tricks on you. Shut up and go away until you find this "promise" in writing.
Mojang should shut up and not say a word about the API until they are ready to release a snapshot that contains it, because any time they make hopeful predictions it creates morons like you.
Actually, I'd prefer it if they came out and made an official statement that they ARE working on it and people should cool their jets.
OH, WAIT. AS A MATTER OF FACT, THEY MENTIONED AT MINECON THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO MAKE THE TEXTURE PACK CHANGES. HMMMMM. SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON THE MOD API. https://twitter.com/...984682366107648
They are still working on it. They are still implementing changes in the general direction of moving towards an API. It will take a LONG TAPDANCING TIME to do it unless they continue to do it piece-by-piece so that they can release OTHER CONTENT and keep PEOPLE OTHER THAN YOURSELF happy.
TLDR: I wish you'd say "I will probably leave the forums forever", so I could hold it against you like a promise.
Woah, isn't someone getting angry? And this is coming from the guy that said I was swelling with rage.
Since you obviously can't read the FIRST SENTENCE of my last post, YOU are the one who was making assumptions when assuming that I was referring to you. I was revealing pre-anger that you were so infuriating I needed to talk myself out of exploding.
I am leaving this topic before I say something too incendiary. Enjoy being upset over something you have no control over. I, however, have every option to leave the conversation. BYE!
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To a degree they are lazy, when you compare it to people that truly deadicate themselves to there work then this progress would seem slow. When you look at modifications of the game they are awesome i understand that it is not the core game. However it really does not take this long to add stuff to the core structure. The mindset may be that they have made their money and are continuing to make money and do not have anything to prove anymore.
No.
There's a lot of bugs.
Inherently, there are. If you have a game where you can make pretty much anything, there will be bugs. There will be bug-fix bugs. Ad infinitum. They fix lots of bugs every time—adding more bugs, but still, fixing bugs. This is what takes the time. Plus, the updates add new features AND new core mechanics to redstone. They are getting less and less lazy.
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I can call them lazy when the amount of time between updates increases a ton and when Mod the API kept getting delayed and delayed and delayed because they never actually do any work on it. Even when they say, "Yup, this is the update where we are gonna release it and put the majority of our time on it" they just add stupid stuff and then, unsurprisingly, they release the version and delay the API to the next version.
The problem with making an API is not with coding. I'm sure the Mojang Minecraft team could pound one out that doesn't fulfill their goals within a week. However, it seems like they want to make sure that the API they produce will NEVER break or need to be fixed...or if it does, maybe only once or twice.
When Dinnerbone posted that the API was going to be in 1.3, he also mentions that they're meeting on it the next week to plan it. Obviously, Dinnerbone was overly optimistic, as Mojang has been with this, since it was retracted well before 1.3 came out. All the "promises" we've gotten are highly optimistic estimates. The project and everything related to it turned out to be bigger and more complicated than they estimated. From my understanding, the Minecraft team already has a person working on rendering which is apparently a criterion for actually getting an API up. In the meantime, we're getting newer features that are kind of nice to have.
Also, the OP is wrong. We've had 4 major updates in the year since Minecraft came out with snapshots introducing new features most weeks. Seems less lazy than most of the Beta updates to me.
To a degree they are lazy, when you compare it to people that truly deadicate themselves to there work then this progress would seem slow. When you look at modifications of the game they are awesome i understand that it is not the core game. However it really does not take this long to add stuff to the core structure. The mindset may be that they have made their money and are continuing to make money and do not have anything to prove anymore.
Like Mathy said, There's a lot of bugs, Have you seen how much snapshots they release? Also, Someone who dedicates themselves to their work probably gets more done then someone who goes to work everyday and just does the work that needs to be done. They have added a lot of stuff to the snapshots over the last month so you would expect it to take a while to fix all the bugs before actually updating the game.
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Mojang is not lazy. And clearly, You don't know how much work is put into these updates. The reason they have been taking so long, Is because they're adding more features into each update compared to what they use to.
I like the quote in your signature. I would encourage you to take a look at the link in my signature so you can use your freedom of speech more effectively.
FYI: Never not once has a release date/time/update been set or even hinted at. Please source the paraphrased quote you are using as the foundation for your argument.
Also, I specifically linked to this topic in the topic linked in my signature.
Would you walk up to Jeb at minecon, look him in the eyes, neglect to thank him for his work on the game and say to his face "You are a lazy jerk and you're ruining the game for impatient children like me"? If you would, you either have a lot of life left to live before you should participate in discussion, or you are a raving psychopath.
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*cough* DICE *cough* They put out updates every 5th month or so and they actually make things worse. Every patched bug gets replaced by 2 new ones.
Okay, take a deep breath... Refrain from exploding...
Look. You clearly don't understand what "Please SOURCE your information" means. Go find a quote and give me your source(s) and we'll talk. Until then, I can't help but think you're an idiot.
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No "promises" were made. This is a promise:
"We Promise we will release Version X.X with a Modding API"
This is not a Promise:
"We intend to release Version X.X with a Modding API"
Even this isn't a promise:
"We will release Version X.X with a Modding API"
that is, these "promises" are nothing but vague hopes and musings made by the developer(s), only made public because of the high level of community interaction. Imagine if, say, Oblivion, was made available in the same fashion from early beta. People would be complaining about the "promised" Radiant AI that was subsequently removed.
What I've never really understood about people so in love with the Modding API is that most of them can't program anyway. I half-suspect some people think it's something like a special user-accessible editor for the game. If you don't know Java, it's going to be bloody useless to you no matter when it's released.
As always, very insightful. Upvote4u.
By the way, I'd suspect the majority of people who are clamoring for a Mod API are really annoyed by a two-day window where they can't update and have to wait for their favorite mods to update. Then having to re-install all of their mods.
Yes, this is annoying. It is also EXACTLY WHAT YOU SIGN UP FOR by using mods. If you don't like putting in the effort to maintain your mod(pack)s, use the FTB launcher or Tekkit launcher. They manage everything for your tiny minds.
I don't understand it, either.
Repeat of my last post directed at "manu3733":
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2.) Mojang has been working very hard. Have you visted mojang.com ? They attempt to release weekly snapshots on the game.
3.) If you were around during Alpha / Beta, you would be surprised how long it took for updates to be released. I personally think updates are being released faster.
4.) I would like you to code a game and update it with more features then Mojang is every month. You complain Mojan is slow? Well, let us see how fast you can do what they do.
This.
I was talking to myself, oh great Lord of Assumption. People like you are infuriating.
By the way, I'm no longer fighting the acceptance of my swelling anger.
In what way does an off-hand "probably" on TWITTER OF ALL THE CRYING OUT LOUD GOD-FORSAKEN MEDIUMS OF COMMUNICATION constitute a promise?
You are "100% certain it was promised for 1.3" because your brain is playing tricks on you. Shut up and go away until you find this "promise" in writing.
Mojang should shut up and not say a word about the API until they are ready to release a snapshot that contains it, because any time they make hopeful predictions it creates morons like you.
Actually, I'd prefer it if they came out and made an official statement that they ARE working on it and people should cool their jets.
OH, WAIT. AS A MATTER OF FACT, THEY MENTIONED AT MINECON THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO MAKE THE TEXTURE PACK CHANGES. HMMMMM. SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON THE MOD API.
https://twitter.com/...984682366107648
They are still working on it. They are still implementing changes in the general direction of moving towards an API. It will take a LONG TAPDANCING TIME to do it unless they continue to do it piece-by-piece so that they can release OTHER CONTENT and keep PEOPLE OTHER THAN YOURSELF happy.
TLDR:
I wish you'd say "I will probably leave the forums forever", so I could hold it against you like a promise.
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Praise be to Spode.
Since you obviously can't read the FIRST SENTENCE of my last post, YOU are the one who was making assumptions when assuming that I was referring to you. I was revealing pre-anger that you were so infuriating I needed to talk myself out of exploding.
I am leaving this topic before I say something too incendiary. Enjoy being upset over something you have no control over. I, however, have every option to leave the conversation. BYE!
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No.
There's a lot of bugs.
Inherently, there are. If you have a game where you can make pretty much anything, there will be bugs. There will be bug-fix bugs. Ad infinitum. They fix lots of bugs every time—adding more bugs, but still, fixing bugs. This is what takes the time. Plus, the updates add new features AND new core mechanics to redstone. They are getting less and less lazy.
The problem with making an API is not with coding. I'm sure the Mojang Minecraft team could pound one out that doesn't fulfill their goals within a week. However, it seems like they want to make sure that the API they produce will NEVER break or need to be fixed...or if it does, maybe only once or twice.
When Dinnerbone posted that the API was going to be in 1.3, he also mentions that they're meeting on it the next week to plan it. Obviously, Dinnerbone was overly optimistic, as Mojang has been with this, since it was retracted well before 1.3 came out. All the "promises" we've gotten are highly optimistic estimates. The project and everything related to it turned out to be bigger and more complicated than they estimated. From my understanding, the Minecraft team already has a person working on rendering which is apparently a criterion for actually getting an API up. In the meantime, we're getting newer features that are kind of nice to have.
Also, the OP is wrong. We've had 4 major updates in the year since Minecraft came out with snapshots introducing new features most weeks. Seems less lazy than most of the Beta updates to me.
Really though no, If anything were getting more content now than ever before.
Like Mathy said, There's a lot of bugs, Have you seen how much snapshots they release? Also, Someone who dedicates themselves to their work probably gets more done then someone who goes to work everyday and just does the work that needs to be done. They have added a lot of stuff to the snapshots over the last month so you would expect it to take a while to fix all the bugs before actually updating the game.
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