Yes it is my friend, its being outsourced to people in India who dont know anything about data structures or hash key hit mitigation through the use of things like chaining or even using bigger data sets. Be afraid, be very afraid. I am.
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You have any idea the number of addons hosted on that website, or how many are updated every day?
No and I dont care. The number doesnt matter, as long as the design of the system is correct.
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. . . so you start by changing the subject (virus argument didn't work, try marketing stats argument).
They are actualy keeply involved. Since its clear you dont deal with this sort of thing (Maybe you only code in Visual Basic or something, I dont know so I will not judge) keep in mind that often such systems are used to identify higher profile targets. For example, the guy using data from the advanced section of the lvl-85 wow guide is going to have a more valuable account to steal then the guy reading the beginners "noob" guide. Simple logic.
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. . . and accuse them of criminal behavior (where your only "proof" is a single aggregate statistic and a law that only some states adopt).
Illegal in some states is still illegal. To make it worse, crossing state lines - as the internet is prone to do - puts this sort of thing under fedral law, based on my personal experience with dealing with people who do that sort of electronic tresspass (Yes, Electronic Tresspass is the crime of using others computers n ways you shouldn't.).
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Are you really looking for answers to your questions, or are you just using them as a way to vent your anger?
I'm looking for answers, and Im willing to ask hard questions, be trolled by people who do not have the mental capacity to understand what I am saying, and correct people who misunderstood me to do so. In the end, the goal is to learn something.
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Last I checked, this was announced - oh, yesterday (in my time zone), and you're already blaming Curse for the mod forums?
Well as they stated they are this huge company that has all this respect for people, you would think it would be there number one priority oif that was the case. I'm usiung this lack to prove that they are full of it.
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I dunno if he's the real CEO (anybody can get a name on a forum and pretend to be somebody else)
Confirmed by mod as real, when the mod decided to stick up for the new boss. Nothing like a guy asking hard questions to bring out the CYA posts.
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but I dunno if it was really necessary to start rattling off accusations, especially accusations of criminal behavior. I may see Curse as a bit juvenile, but not criminal.
I spoke my opinion, and asked questions. Nothing wrong twith thgat as that was what they asked people to do.
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Not 1 SINGLE addon site does - the fact that you don't know this, invalidates every that you say.
No it doest, but nice try at fail logic. Its perfectly reasonably to assume that they could through an automated way look for the "bad stuff" I spoke of. Yet they publicly stated they fid not and only let a few AV's do some simple scans, thereby having invested really nothing in protecting people. Even some simple plaintext searches would be of benifit, and automated profileing tools usualy have basic support for this, so its unreasonable for them not to even try.
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I doubt you understand - I also doubt that you've ever looked at an addon developed for any curse game.
I have done some simple mods for raids in wow, before I gave up on WoW to shoot people in the face in Eve.
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You let me know where Polymorphic code can hide in that. This is not decompiled - this is the addon as it is installed. Its called LUA.
I'm aware of LUA, and you proved the point I was trying to make (I was hoping others wuuld not have to spell it out): Its not hard to scan the plugins with more then an Anti-virus and do anctual searched for code that would be harmful its just test in the case of LUA add-ons, so some simple things can be searched for using simple regular expression searches. Other things could be automated in other ways. No need to add to payrole or increase costs outside of the develoeprs that already work on the cleint and are no doubt on salary - as that is what is commonly done - anyway.
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That explains the **** games then.
Games I have worked on are GOTY type games, not crap. And besides you dont know who I have worked for, so stop trolling.
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Hate to tell you, but you'd be hard pressed to find a site that DIDN'T have trackers - in fact the very site your on has them. What dirty rotten people they are. Did you give written consent?
Dude, there is a difference between tracking your websites page hits and tracking individual users. Are you really stupid enough to not know the difference?
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The fact that you think this proves anything PROVES how little you know. You find it unethical that a website know how many people logged in, in a given month? That what every servers logs are for. Or that a client that requires you to log in keeps a record of you logging in? Are you retarded?
Please see my question above. There are multiple types of tracking, some are benign, and others just plain suck. Stop trying to confuse the issue; I'm talking about the bad "this is who the person is and based on their account activity he may be a good target to steal the account of in this given game" kind of tracking, not the "oh yeah our average users diped on wednesday but our weekedend numbers are raping our servers, oh btw you logged in yesterday after being gone from the site for a week" kind of tracking.
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It doesn't violate ANY state law to record the IP address of site visitors or login information when required to enter the site.
Once again your confusing the issue and look like a idiot. Please see above.
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If only you realized how silly you sound - Billions of lines of code for dozens of games... 1 addon a month if you're lucky.
As I have said above, automation can be used to mitigate threats, and speed up things. Its better then the NOTHING they publicly admit to having.
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I guess 'professionals' don't need to have reading comprehension skills. The CURSE CLIENT will not support addons if Notch doesn't want it to. Notch doesn't own the forums (more reading you missed) nor has ANY control over its content.
Not talking about minecraft addons, I'm talking about curse as a company and as a software product that is inherently insecure and puts people at risk, per the publicly admitted lack of security as expressed by the CEO/Owner. Its clear your own reading skills are "rusty".
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I spent more time then it was worth trying to find some data to back up this claim - I found nothing. Enlighten me with some creditable sources.
Whatever you think Curse is doing - I promise you, half the sites you visit are doing the same and more. Curse is a file host at best, and as such is no different then RapidShare - the day I can sue RS for getting a virus or collecting info on what I'm downloading or where I'm downloading from is the day I'll quit the internet.
A google search for "rapidshare sued" returns lots of hits, although I cant be bothered to read them all. Please quit the internet now.
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Alright guys this got way out of hand, let me explain some things for you all. Firstly, netcuse is the real account of the curse founder.
A part of me thought he was a troll, but good to know.
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Adverts
-- bla blah blah we need the money/ads are not bad/etc --
The ads are bad, they dont even provide me any value as all they do is offer the stuff I have already bought or things I have absolutly no interest in. I'm not going to click on an add for something I already have or dont want, and I am not going to waste my time not blocking them if they are in the way or otherwise provide no value to me. Period.
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curse are evil!!
We worked extensively with curse on explaining what we are, what our goals are and finding out about theirs. We are sufficiently happy with how they view the forum and where they want to take it in the future, we've looked at other sites they've worked on and spoken to people they've worked with, sure we heard a few negative things (wowmatrix) but when investigating them we found out that actually, curse acted exactly how we would have done.
I have heard stories about wowmatrix, but I honestly have alwaya wondered what both sides of the story actualy are as there seems to be a lot of he-said-she-said going on. Would anybody care to direct me to a creditable source for both sides?
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We have signed contracts with curse that state myself, WedTM and aera are placed in charge of the forum and wiki, unlike before where we were focused on keeping the sites JUST online, we're now in a position where we can have the servers up and running 100% with people paid to focus on keeping them online, this means that we can focus on improving the forum usability, including fixing that bug that loses posts.
So its only abbout money and a host? You had so many other options its not funny, I know hosting companies that would have killed to host you guys for free given your nummbers are as high as you claimed, and would have done it with no ads and no problems, just a little tiny hosted by XYZ logo in the corner that would have given them an in to make monthly income through direct webhosting sales. And you sold out and gave that up so you could get money in your pocket.
I cant help but admit that I doubt your commitment to the community now, given your actions. And based on what you are saying, your stuck in it now.
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This deal won't change much at all, you guys have seen all the changes already. If you have any genuine concerns I really do encourage you to email me and we can discuss it privately, if it's something that curse should have input on then I'll get them talking too, we want to make this as best for you guys as possible. We took this deal because we were struggling with keeping the forums running and keeping them usable, we could have taken a different deal and each become very rich but instead we went with a deal that guaranteed the forum and communities future.
See my comment above. I see your efforts to move this discussion to private to me kind of hostile against the users, as I see it as a sort of passive form of censorship. If people have issue, they should speak it publicly and get public answers back.
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There's not much more to say really, if you're hell bent on seeing curse as the devil then so be it, but we're happy with the deal and we believe in the long run it'll be better for everyone. How about you wait a month and report back with your feelings then, when we have a prettier more functional and more stable forum?
And I suspect that you will also have more users blocking ads.
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I have an adblocker, and use noscript, so whatever soothes your soul.
I'd be careful about mentioning AdBlocker. I got banned from a WoW fansite for even mentioning that I used one at one point. I no longer use ANY form of AdBlocker.
Its a legal requirment to use them at my company; I have employees sign a form that says they will use them for all work systems and if they do not that I can fire them on the spot. Also helps with anti-spam, as you cant go a week without reading about some giant ad network that was infected with a javascript based badness or serving up fresh malware like mom used to make.
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Look at the Minecraft.net stats page. Notch logs every single game created. He logs how many buy the game. He tracks user data. So why do you use Minecraft then?
Dude, read the above. I make a big distinction between the diferent types of tracking that a website can do, so please, dont be an idiot and group them all together becouse they are NOT all the same thing.
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How many times must we re-iterate this? The forums and wiki are NOT connected with Notch in ANY way. We are community ran.
No, you are not community ran. You are Curse ran, and as you admitted publicly YOU are one of 3 people who are the only ones with any real power over the site. We the users don't matter anymore.
I have heard stories about wowmatrix, but I honestly have alwaya wondered what both sides of the story actualy are as there seems to be a lot of he-said-she-said going on. Would anybody care to direct me to a creditable source for both sides?
I looked at independent reports, but you can read the curse announcement here lots of reports from users and an independent report from joystiq: here.
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So its only abbout money and a host? You had so many other options its not funny, I know hosting companies that would have killed to host you guys for free given your nummbers are as high as you claimed, and would have done it with no ads and no problems, just a little tiny hosted by XYZ logo in the corner that would have given them an in to make monthly income through direct webhosting sales. And you sold out and gave that up so you could get money in your pocket.
I cant help but admit that I doubt your commitment to the community now, given your actions. And based on what you are saying, your stuck in it now.
We considered this, but it raised multiple issues. You know how big businesses will often go with the more expensive option, even if they could get "just as good" for less? That's part of our problem. We had offers from companies willing to host us for free, but it puts us in a position where if they decide "oh hey, we won't host you any more bye!" we can't afford to run the sites, we were paying $2,300 last month for servers, something myself, aera and wedtm don't want to be paying AGAIN, wedtm coughed a huge amount just to keep the forums and wiki online previously.
I honestly do understand your concerns, I've been a member of communities who do this before and yeah, it can suck, but we worked hard with curse to work out how we can do this as best possible. It's not about the money per se, sure myself being paid by curse to manage the forums and wiki is awesome, but I'd have had to problem sticking to the previous arrangement if it was better for the forums and wiki. In the long run I believe this will work, I care about these sites a lot, I invested a lot of my time here as did aera and wedtm, we're not about to throw that away for a few $. I won't say "**** you, we're going to never change!" I'd rather just tell you to wait and see, but I'll bet my hat nothing will go wrong! Curse can offer so much for us, stability, resources, exposure, we believe it's for the best.
If you'd seen what it was like before from a management pov maybe you'd see it differently, but our job wasn't to make the forum and wiki better, it was just to keep them accessible, were you around on the 30th of october? If we'd been with curse then that would never have happened, we would have also been able to improve the forums for that update with more moderation, better tools for users when posting about the update, we now have the freedom to do so much to improve the forum whereas before it was constant "what can we do to make the forums stay online?" and "will we cover costs this month?".
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Its a legal requirment to use them at my company; I have employees sign a form that says they will use them for all work systems and if they do not that I can fire them on the spot. Also helps with anti-spam, as you cant go a week without reading about some giant ad network that was infected with a javascript based badness or serving up fresh malware like maom used to make.
Yes it is my friend, its being outsourced to people in India who dont know anything about data structures or hash key colisoion mitigation through the use of things like chaining or even using bigger data sets. Be afraid, be very afried.. I am.
LOL. I was actually referring to your attitude. I'd rather have a good attitude and a good intellect rather than having to choose between a good attitude xor a good intellect.
Since its clear you dont deal with this sort of thing (Maybe you only code in Visual Basic or something, I dont know so I will not judge)
C/C++, Java, Lua, C#, a few research languages. Quite willing to learn whatever language is needed for the job.
Illegal in some states is still illegal.
I'd have to look at the exact wording of the laws, and the exact method used to derive the statistic. Essentially, I'd have to hire a lawyer and a detective to investigate before I'd go around making bold claims.
I have learned to be a bit cautious when it comes to legal issues - I am not well versed in law, and what I've seen so far is that it is much like programming: Precise and nuanced. Terms that most people would not distinguish between have important distinctions in legal language, and I have had very little experience in legal matters.
Its perfectly reasonably to assume that they could through an automated way look for the "bad stuff" I spoke of.
It is possible they could look for specific types of code that follow specific types of known bad patterns, however:
[*:3t6ps04k]You have to define precisely what you are looking for. If you don't know what to look for, you can't find it.
[*:3t6ps04k]You have to cover all types of vulnerabilities. I don't know of anybody who has created a complete, exhaustive list of all vulnerabilities. If such a thing were possible, I do not think we would have all of the security problems we have today with computers.
[*:3t6ps04k]There are some fundamental barriers in computing/information theory that makes predicting the outputs of all possible programs impossible. The halting problem states that we cannot predict when a piece of code will halt with absolute certainty, and that gives rise to a class of unpredictable behavior.
I'm sure they do their best - but nothing will be perfect.
Even some simple plaintext searches would be of benifit, and automated profileing tools usualy have basic support for this, so its unreasonable for them not to even try.
I'm sure they'd be interested in your recommendations, if the recommendations are reasonable.
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When all is said and done, Will you have said more than you have done?
I looked at independent reports, but you can read the curse announcement here lots of reports from users and an independent report from joystiq: here.
The comments by users are interesting. GrotG makes a point I agree with: Curse decided to go with a sledgehammer win/lose option instead of looking at other options, many of which may have resulted in a win/win situation. True or not, painting wowmatrix as the evil bandwidth vampires only served to fuel further division of communities. I do not think it was the best way to handle the situation.
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When all is said and done, Will you have said more than you have done?
Thank you for the compliment. I'm a blunt by nature, and often people mistake that for hostility or being an angry person. To me, being blunt is about showing respect. Maybe its the military background, maybe I'm just a blunt guy, but yeah I don't mean my bluntness as disrespectful, quite the opposite in fact.
I actually have personal experience on the legal issues involved, so thats why I feel comfortable speaking on my own personal experience. And yes, each state is different, but what usually happens is that once an investigation crosses state lines the common federal rules come into play and that simplifies things greatly.
Your list of test cases is commendable, but starting with common "dangerous" library functions as a red flag that needs to be reviewed deeper would be a great start, and much better then seem to have. Standard software development methodology: start with *something* and then work to improve it continualy.
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we were paying $2,300 last month for servers
As somebody who owns a company and has done hosting for 15 years..Thats actually not a lot of money, and I highly doubt that you were paying the least possible. No doubt your host either had no clue, or was raping you, no lube, because they could.
The big thing here is that from my point of view as a humble user who does not have the benefit of sekret infoz, but has a background doing things to make money in the space that could have helped you the most, is that you guys didn't even ask your user-base for help on a long term solution. Sure, you let people donate in return for getting a permanent little gold star/button/coin whatever the heck that thing is, but in the end you did nothing - that I can see - that could have been used to mitigate the problem long term. How many users does the server have? I'm sure a dollar a month for premium membership and yet another pretty icon next to your username only for that month would have covered all costs as people did monthly subscriptions, etc.
There is a lot you could have done to stay out from under Curse, and yet you didn't trust your user-base enough to even try. Sure, not having the brain trust - I'm talking about ignorance here, not making an insult - to start a company/charity and so forth around the site to gain the tax benefits and hosting savings associated with that is excusable, but you didn't even act as the people you claim t be and ask for help from the community that you claim to value, even as your actions dispute what you are now claiming.
In the end a community of thousands of people knows much more then any one person could, no matter who that one person is. Yet I see no "help, we need ideas for a long term solution to this list of our troubles!" threads, Or even "Hey guys we value you as our community, and we are thinking of joining curse what do you think?" thread. You just didn't care enough - about the community, about the sites, about anybody but yourselves - to try.
So the fact remains no matter what you say now, you sold out the community and proved with your actions that we the community of users have no value to you unless you can get a paycheck out of it. Since it now makes the money you are complaining about spending before, every cost you are complaining about look like nothing more then an investment that has now gotten a return.
So claim what you like, but please don't try to feed us bs. The site is not powered by the community anymore, its powered by Curse now. You basicly told us - the little guys actually using your site and giving you the valuable asset that is the community that LET you make the Curse deal in the first place - that we are worthless and we can go suck on a for all you care. And that sucks, because what is going to happen now is people are going to start other sites and fragment the community in order to get away from the stigma of Curse/Ads/Etc... and that means you will have less server issues, just not in a way you want now that your paycheck is tied to the site.
Admit it, now that your paycheck is based on the site, you have bias too. And I bet Notch has some bias on this too, given the official minecraft website says this forum is the "official" one. So its impossible to see this as Notch not selling out as well.
Admit it, now that your paycheck is based on the site, you have bias too. And I bet Notch has some bias on this too, given the official minecraft website says this forum is the "official" one. So its impossible to see this as Notch not selling out as well.
It's clear you disagree with this deal and it's fine, but I won't argue any more, it's not going to go anywhere. I honestly believe that this is the best deal for the community, if you disagree then I hope to prove you wrong and if not, well then you win :sad.gif:
I can understand why some people think this deal might cause some problems, but honestly this is going to save the community a lot of hassle. Forum is hosted by curse's hardware, and still moderated by the people we are familiar with. A couple small banner ads never hurt anyone (unless your internet provider issues you a bandwidth quota... then it would suck ASS).
It will take a while to get used to seeing the gigantic Curse logo at the bottom of every page though...
And do I see a link to Runes of Magic?!?!
NEVER! NEEEVVEEERRRRRRR get hooked on that game, they will bleed your bank account dry if you have a bit of money and little self control.
I am just going to throw this out there- Moniter your advertisements. Occationally, someone will create an "ad" that automatically runs a script, redirecting you to a trojan-riddled webpage. In quite a few cases, it is some "Your computer is infected!" type message, and the sudden shock gets people to click the "ok" button. That immidiatly downloads the trojan onto your computer. In some cases, even simply key commands activate it, such as crtl-alt-delete. ALWAYS hard-boot if the page is redirected without your consent to some site that even LOOKS suspicious.
Make sure that the advertisements on this site are actual ads, not trojan-infected nightmares. I have personally dealt with quite a few attempting to access my computer (Not on this site) as well as removing them as of someone else's folly. It is not fun. They can have long lasting, if not permanent, effects on ones computer. I do NOT want to see this site become riddled with auto-redirect ads, auto-open URLs, and the like, ESPECIALLY if they contain trojans and the like.
Did you mention there were ads on the site? **** SON I HADN'T NOTICED. <3 Adblock FTW.
Anyhoos, while shits gettin' done, could someone fix the goddamn forums?!
You have to attempt posting 2-3 times before it actually goes through ffs.
Yep, with the servers being controlled by curse (although I believe wedtm will continue working on them) we can focus on fixing the problems! :biggrin.gif:
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I am just going to throw this out there- Moniter your advertisements. Occationally, someone will create an "ad" that automatically runs a script, redirecting you to a trojan-riddled webpage. In quite a few cases, it is some "Your computer is infected!" type message, and the sudden shock gets people to click the "ok" button. That immidiatly downloads the trojan onto your computer. In some cases, even simply key commands activate it, such as crtl-alt-delete. ALWAYS hard-boot if the page is redirected without your consent to some site that even LOOKS suspicious.
Make sure that the advertisements on this site are actual ads, not trojan-infected nightmares. I have personally dealt with quite a few attempting to access my computer (Not on this site) as well as removing them as of someone else's folly. It is not fun. They can have long lasting, if not permanent, effects on ones computer. I do NOT want to see this site become riddled with auto-redirect ads, auto-open URLs, and the like, ESPECIALLY if they contain trojans and the like.
I've never seen this and not once have I ever ad blocked, if you have any info on this (links, examples) email me ([email protected]) and I'll make sure we do everything to stop this happening, no way we're going to let people do that.
I am just going to throw this out there- Moniter your advertisements. Occationally, someone will create an "ad" that automatically runs a script, redirecting you to a trojan-riddled webpage. In quite a few cases, it is some "Your computer is infected!" type message, and the sudden shock gets people to click the "ok" button. That immidiatly downloads the trojan onto your computer. In some cases, even simply key commands activate it, such as crtl-alt-delete. ALWAYS hard-boot if the page is redirected without your consent to some site that even LOOKS suspicious.
Make sure that the advertisements on this site are actual ads, not trojan-infected nightmares. I have personally dealt with quite a few attempting to access my computer (Not on this site) as well as removing them as of someone else's folly. It is not fun. They can have long lasting, if not permanent, effects on ones computer. I do NOT want to see this site become riddled with auto-redirect ads, auto-open URLs, and the like, ESPECIALLY if they contain trojans and the like.
*laughs*
Okay, I'm pretty anti-advertising, but you're being a bit paranoid there.
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The National Socialist of minecraftforums, since 2010!
http://www.techjaws.com/how-to-remove-security-tool-virus/
Yeah, they do exist. Frnkly, my family tends to get these ones much more than any other (if any other at all) and they are quite annoying. Go to a site such as armorgames.com(not attempting to advertise) and refresh the page dozens of times. Eventually, one will pop up, and I do hope that you do NOT click on it. (There is a big difference between paranoid and actually helping about every member of your family that you currently live with deal with one of them, including myself)
I'm not saying that they don't exist. I'm saying that it's a bit strange to assume that the introduction of Curse will bring virus-laden ads onto the site.
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I know that the introduction of Curse will not plauge the site, just saying that I for one would much rather NOT have the constant worry that such a virus will pop up. If anything, I am almost sure that there is an almost nill chance, it is just better to be cautious and waste your time then to be careless and regret it later.
I am also quite content with the current advertisings, much better then the gibberish false-gaming websites normally spewed on game-related sites. (Refresh the page I posted earlier, count how many times a game advertisement comes up. It will not remain on your fingers long)
I doubt your paranoia isn't in vain. Most everyone on these forums it seems isn't dumb enough to not have an anti-virus, and without one you can always pull out your ethernet cable/turn off your wireless hardware and exit your browser.
Since these are your forums, do w/e you want with them. It seems as though you just want to keep them running smoothly and perhaps improve on them as the game itself improves. (still in ALPHA!) When I played WoW, I visited curse every time a new patch/update came to get the add-ons that I needed (crutches!) to raid/pvp. I found myself there only at those times and never got any viruses or issues with any content from that site. It was streamlined and easy to maneuver. I never was much of a forum person, but i never played a game in it's early development stages, either. So i find myself in these forums more, only because of the nature of this stage of a game. Which makes me wonder how some of you get to 2k, 3k, .. 5k posts!? Do you ever PLAY the game you are posting about? Sleep/eat/****?
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Alright guys this got way out of hand, let me explain some things for you all. Firstly, netcuse is the real account of the curse founder.
/me bows
Yes it is my friend, its being outsourced to people in India who dont know anything about data structures or hash key hit mitigation through the use of things like chaining or even using bigger data sets. Be afraid, be very afraid. I am.
No and I dont care. The number doesnt matter, as long as the design of the system is correct.
They are actualy keeply involved. Since its clear you dont deal with this sort of thing (Maybe you only code in Visual Basic or something, I dont know so I will not judge) keep in mind that often such systems are used to identify higher profile targets. For example, the guy using data from the advanced section of the lvl-85 wow guide is going to have a more valuable account to steal then the guy reading the beginners "noob" guide. Simple logic.
Illegal in some states is still illegal. To make it worse, crossing state lines - as the internet is prone to do - puts this sort of thing under fedral law, based on my personal experience with dealing with people who do that sort of electronic tresspass (Yes, Electronic Tresspass is the crime of using others computers n ways you shouldn't.).
I'm looking for answers, and Im willing to ask hard questions, be trolled by people who do not have the mental capacity to understand what I am saying, and correct people who misunderstood me to do so. In the end, the goal is to learn something.
Well as they stated they are this huge company that has all this respect for people, you would think it would be there number one priority oif that was the case. I'm usiung this lack to prove that they are full of it.
Confirmed by mod as real, when the mod decided to stick up for the new boss. Nothing like a guy asking hard questions to bring out the CYA posts.
I spoke my opinion, and asked questions. Nothing wrong twith thgat as that was what they asked people to do.
No it doest, but nice try at fail logic. Its perfectly reasonably to assume that they could through an automated way look for the "bad stuff" I spoke of. Yet they publicly stated they fid not and only let a few AV's do some simple scans, thereby having invested really nothing in protecting people. Even some simple plaintext searches would be of benifit, and automated profileing tools usualy have basic support for this, so its unreasonable for them not to even try.
I have done some simple mods for raids in wow, before I gave up on WoW to shoot people in the face in Eve.
I'm aware of LUA, and you proved the point I was trying to make (I was hoping others wuuld not have to spell it out): Its not hard to scan the plugins with more then an Anti-virus and do anctual searched for code that would be harmful its just test in the case of LUA add-ons, so some simple things can be searched for using simple regular expression searches. Other things could be automated in other ways. No need to add to payrole or increase costs outside of the develoeprs that already work on the cleint and are no doubt on salary - as that is what is commonly done - anyway.
Games I have worked on are GOTY type games, not crap. And besides you dont know who I have worked for, so stop trolling.
Dude, there is a difference between tracking your websites page hits and tracking individual users. Are you really stupid enough to not know the difference?
Please see my question above. There are multiple types of tracking, some are benign, and others just plain suck. Stop trying to confuse the issue; I'm talking about the bad "this is who the person is and based on their account activity he may be a good target to steal the account of in this given game" kind of tracking, not the "oh yeah our average users diped on wednesday but our weekedend numbers are raping our servers, oh btw you logged in yesterday after being gone from the site for a week" kind of tracking.
Once again your confusing the issue and look like a idiot. Please see above.
As I have said above, automation can be used to mitigate threats, and speed up things. Its better then the NOTHING they publicly admit to having.
Not talking about minecraft addons, I'm talking about curse as a company and as a software product that is inherently insecure and puts people at risk, per the publicly admitted lack of security as expressed by the CEO/Owner. Its clear your own reading skills are "rusty".
A google search for "rapidshare sued" returns lots of hits, although I cant be bothered to read them all. Please quit the internet now.
A part of me thought he was a troll, but good to know.
The ads are bad, they dont even provide me any value as all they do is offer the stuff I have already bought or things I have absolutly no interest in. I'm not going to click on an add for something I already have or dont want, and I am not going to waste my time not blocking them if they are in the way or otherwise provide no value to me. Period.
I have heard stories about wowmatrix, but I honestly have alwaya wondered what both sides of the story actualy are as there seems to be a lot of he-said-she-said going on. Would anybody care to direct me to a creditable source for both sides?
So its only abbout money and a host? You had so many other options its not funny, I know hosting companies that would have killed to host you guys for free given your nummbers are as high as you claimed, and would have done it with no ads and no problems, just a little tiny hosted by XYZ logo in the corner that would have given them an in to make monthly income through direct webhosting sales. And you sold out and gave that up so you could get money in your pocket.
I cant help but admit that I doubt your commitment to the community now, given your actions. And based on what you are saying, your stuck in it now.
See my comment above. I see your efforts to move this discussion to private to me kind of hostile against the users, as I see it as a sort of passive form of censorship. If people have issue, they should speak it publicly and get public answers back.
And I suspect that you will also have more users blocking ads.
Its a legal requirment to use them at my company; I have employees sign a form that says they will use them for all work systems and if they do not that I can fire them on the spot. Also helps with anti-spam, as you cant go a week without reading about some giant ad network that was infected with a javascript based badness or serving up fresh malware like mom used to make.
Dude, read the above. I make a big distinction between the diferent types of tracking that a website can do, so please, dont be an idiot and group them all together becouse they are NOT all the same thing.
No, you are not community ran. You are Curse ran, and as you admitted publicly YOU are one of 3 people who are the only ones with any real power over the site. We the users don't matter anymore.
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AdminI looked at independent reports, but you can read the curse announcement here lots of reports from users and an independent report from joystiq: here.
We considered this, but it raised multiple issues. You know how big businesses will often go with the more expensive option, even if they could get "just as good" for less? That's part of our problem. We had offers from companies willing to host us for free, but it puts us in a position where if they decide "oh hey, we won't host you any more bye!" we can't afford to run the sites, we were paying $2,300 last month for servers, something myself, aera and wedtm don't want to be paying AGAIN, wedtm coughed a huge amount just to keep the forums and wiki online previously.
I honestly do understand your concerns, I've been a member of communities who do this before and yeah, it can suck, but we worked hard with curse to work out how we can do this as best possible. It's not about the money per se, sure myself being paid by curse to manage the forums and wiki is awesome, but I'd have had to problem sticking to the previous arrangement if it was better for the forums and wiki. In the long run I believe this will work, I care about these sites a lot, I invested a lot of my time here as did aera and wedtm, we're not about to throw that away for a few $. I won't say "**** you, we're going to never change!" I'd rather just tell you to wait and see, but I'll bet my hat nothing will go wrong! Curse can offer so much for us, stability, resources, exposure, we believe it's for the best.
If you'd seen what it was like before from a management pov maybe you'd see it differently, but our job wasn't to make the forum and wiki better, it was just to keep them accessible, were you around on the 30th of october? If we'd been with curse then that would never have happened, we would have also been able to improve the forums for that update with more moderation, better tools for users when posting about the update, we now have the freedom to do so much to improve the forum whereas before it was constant "what can we do to make the forums stay online?" and "will we cover costs this month?".
Pretty sure you're bias in that regard ;-)
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Curse PremiumLOL. I was actually referring to your attitude. I'd rather have a good attitude and a good intellect rather than having to choose between a good attitude xor a good intellect.
C/C++, Java, Lua, C#, a few research languages. Quite willing to learn whatever language is needed for the job.
I'd have to look at the exact wording of the laws, and the exact method used to derive the statistic. Essentially, I'd have to hire a lawyer and a detective to investigate before I'd go around making bold claims.
I have learned to be a bit cautious when it comes to legal issues - I am not well versed in law, and what I've seen so far is that it is much like programming: Precise and nuanced. Terms that most people would not distinguish between have important distinctions in legal language, and I have had very little experience in legal matters.
It is possible they could look for specific types of code that follow specific types of known bad patterns, however:
[*:3t6ps04k]You have to define precisely what you are looking for. If you don't know what to look for, you can't find it.
[*:3t6ps04k]You have to cover all types of vulnerabilities. I don't know of anybody who has created a complete, exhaustive list of all vulnerabilities. If such a thing were possible, I do not think we would have all of the security problems we have today with computers.
[*:3t6ps04k]There are some fundamental barriers in computing/information theory that makes predicting the outputs of all possible programs impossible. The halting problem states that we cannot predict when a piece of code will halt with absolute certainty, and that gives rise to a class of unpredictable behavior.
I'm sure they do their best - but nothing will be perfect.
I'm sure they'd be interested in your recommendations, if the recommendations are reasonable.
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Curse PremiumThe comments by users are interesting. GrotG makes a point I agree with: Curse decided to go with a sledgehammer win/lose option instead of looking at other options, many of which may have resulted in a win/win situation. True or not, painting wowmatrix as the evil bandwidth vampires only served to fuel further division of communities. I do not think it was the best way to handle the situation.
Endorsement:
One Sided Windows: http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=27244
Compasses & Grand Magnets: http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=24619
Thank you for the compliment. I'm a blunt by nature, and often people mistake that for hostility or being an angry person. To me, being blunt is about showing respect. Maybe its the military background, maybe I'm just a blunt guy, but yeah I don't mean my bluntness as disrespectful, quite the opposite in fact.
I actually have personal experience on the legal issues involved, so thats why I feel comfortable speaking on my own personal experience. And yes, each state is different, but what usually happens is that once an investigation crosses state lines the common federal rules come into play and that simplifies things greatly.
Your list of test cases is commendable, but starting with common "dangerous" library functions as a red flag that needs to be reviewed deeper would be a great start, and much better then seem to have. Standard software development methodology: start with *something* and then work to improve it continualy.
As somebody who owns a company and has done hosting for 15 years..Thats actually not a lot of money, and I highly doubt that you were paying the least possible. No doubt your host either had no clue, or was raping you, no lube, because they could.
The big thing here is that from my point of view as a humble user who does not have the benefit of sekret infoz, but has a background doing things to make money in the space that could have helped you the most, is that you guys didn't even ask your user-base for help on a long term solution. Sure, you let people donate in return for getting a permanent little gold star/button/coin whatever the heck that thing is, but in the end you did nothing - that I can see - that could have been used to mitigate the problem long term. How many users does the server have? I'm sure a dollar a month for premium membership and yet another pretty icon next to your username only for that month would have covered all costs as people did monthly subscriptions, etc.
There is a lot you could have done to stay out from under Curse, and yet you didn't trust your user-base enough to even try. Sure, not having the brain trust - I'm talking about ignorance here, not making an insult - to start a company/charity and so forth around the site to gain the tax benefits and hosting savings associated with that is excusable, but you didn't even act as the people you claim t be and ask for help from the community that you claim to value, even as your actions dispute what you are now claiming.
In the end a community of thousands of people knows much more then any one person could, no matter who that one person is. Yet I see no "help, we need ideas for a long term solution to this list of our troubles!" threads, Or even "Hey guys we value you as our community, and we are thinking of joining curse what do you think?" thread. You just didn't care enough - about the community, about the sites, about anybody but yourselves - to try.
So the fact remains no matter what you say now, you sold out the community and proved with your actions that we the community of users have no value to you unless you can get a paycheck out of it. Since it now makes the money you are complaining about spending before, every cost you are complaining about look like nothing more then an investment that has now gotten a return.
So claim what you like, but please don't try to feed us bs. The site is not powered by the community anymore, its powered by Curse now. You basicly told us - the little guys actually using your site and giving you the valuable asset that is the community that LET you make the Curse deal in the first place - that we are worthless and we can go suck on a
Admit it, now that your paycheck is based on the site, you have bias too. And I bet Notch has some bias on this too, given the official minecraft website says this forum is the "official" one. So its impossible to see this as Notch not selling out as well.
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AdminIt's clear you disagree with this deal and it's fine, but I won't argue any more, it's not going to go anywhere. I honestly believe that this is the best deal for the community, if you disagree then I hope to prove you wrong and if not, well then you win :sad.gif:
It will take a while to get used to seeing the gigantic Curse logo at the bottom of every page though...
And do I see a link to Runes of Magic?!?!
NEVER! NEEEVVEEERRRRRRR get hooked on that game, they will bleed your bank account dry if you have a bit of money and little self control.
My Pathfinder Campaign for the denizens of MCF: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1939035-where-are-we-sandbox-pathfinder-campaign-ooc/
Make sure that the advertisements on this site are actual ads, not trojan-infected nightmares. I have personally dealt with quite a few attempting to access my computer (Not on this site) as well as removing them as of someone else's folly. It is not fun. They can have long lasting, if not permanent, effects on ones computer. I do NOT want to see this site become riddled with auto-redirect ads, auto-open URLs, and the like, ESPECIALLY if they contain trojans and the like.
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AdminYep, with the servers being controlled by curse (although I believe wedtm will continue working on them) we can focus on fixing the problems! :biggrin.gif:
I've never seen this and not once have I ever ad blocked, if you have any info on this (links, examples) email me ([email protected]) and I'll make sure we do everything to stop this happening, no way we're going to let people do that.
*laughs*
Okay, I'm pretty anti-advertising, but you're being a bit paranoid there.
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Better grass ... 1.99
Premium grass ... 5.99
Notch is a Temporal Coadjutor rant ... priceless!
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Yeah, they do exist. Frnkly, my family tends to get these ones much more than any other (if any other at all) and they are quite annoying. Go to a site such as armorgames.com(not attempting to advertise) and refresh the page dozens of times. Eventually, one will pop up, and I do hope that you do NOT click on it. (There is a big difference between paranoid and actually helping about every member of your family that you currently live with deal with one of them, including myself)
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I am also quite content with the current advertisings, much better then the gibberish false-gaming websites normally spewed on game-related sites. (Refresh the page I posted earlier, count how many times a game advertisement comes up. It will not remain on your fingers long)
Srsly not a troll? ><
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Curse PremiumThe client software is for installing addons for some games (WoW, Warhammer). It is doubtful Minecraft will be supported.