No one made an API for modders, maybe you don't understand what API means. I think people forget that all the code that modders work with is obfuscated. Modders have to deal with variables named a,b,c,d,e and classes named zz.class while Notch has nice, neat Notch style unobfusacted code to work with.
Maybe I don't , but the code they use ( NOt java , the classes n stuff. ). They simply ( Again not saying this is simple , it's hard but not as making the whole game. ) use the class , attach a event and a texture. Without the class and variables that Notch made there wouldn't be any mods. I'm not a modder or anything but i've tried it few times , and what I did is just the above. Pick name , add event , texture and done.
You don't give a ****? Well you should, because the money you gave for the game is being used on them instead of improving the game you actually bought.
No, it's not. My money has been fully invested into Minecraft and I believe Mojang's earned every penny of it. If you're going to cry that much about twenty dollars, you probably shouldn't be buying a game that's in beta.
You don't give a ****? Well you should, because the money you gave for the game is being used on them instead of improving the game you actually bought.
What money is used exactly?
As far as I know , coding is free. Maybe you mean pay the other workers and stuff like that but i'm sure it doesnt take even half of the cash Notch gets.
people the game is not even out!THIS IS BETA! were any of you in battle feild 3 beta?it was realy bad and it took months to fix for the new beta of it....even if notch is trying time to chill
At the end of the day, Notch has too many projects on his plate and Mojang has definitely taken a turn for the worse. If you played Minecraft like 9 months ago, you would know EXACTLY what I mean. As long as I don't have to pay any more money, I'll get the fullest out of my $20 by playing this game despite the fact it's deteriorating faster than the kidneys of an end-stage kidney failure patient.
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I am currently beating Minecraft Forum's silly & stupid limits. This signature will definitely be more than 2 lines long. Who da fudge even came up with that silly rule?
Ha ha MCF
Minecraft is definitely a lot worse now.
I'm serious
I don't see how anyone can legitimately play this game and have fun
Wanna know why I think it's so bad?
It took Mojang over 2 months to finish 1.8
My reaction when 1.8 came out?
LOL is this some kind of joke?
Then I sadly figured out that it wasn't a joke.
1. Less updates, much less frequently.
They are implementing features that suck
Example?
Hunger system.
The hunger system sucks.
Do I have to explain why?
No seriously, do I really have to explain why? Look at the many threads about it on this forum.
I'm against the hunger system
2. They add in pointless updates, even some that make the game worse.
I don't feel like finishing this post with more reasons, maybe I'll do it later.
Anyways, at the end of the day, Minecraft has been sucking lately.
Oh yeah!
Take this Minecraft Forum! My signature is longer than 2 lines! HA HA HA HA HA.
I hope everyone realises what Mojang is doing. They're marketing. Notch is stretching out these updates to keep us playing and interested in the game. But I'm sure that everyone can pretty much see through it and are like you and are getting frustrated with how they are stretching out these updates. I hope everyone also realises this guy isn't debating that Notch can't code. We all know that he can but the fact is the adventure update could have easily been done and released weeks ago. And it's fair enough leaving it say a week to keep people playing for another week until then but its getting stupid.
notch does not care about money if he did he would not give the game away and be fine with people pirating it he just wants to make a game thats all hes even said he will give the game away when hes done with it
Off topic: Challenge accepted
On topic: Enderman are not scary and will never be to me. Also, I like the abandon mineshafts and villages.
I mean, you need saftey. Theres a village. Also, i found 12 in 4 minutes.
I'm not going to pretend to have some insight into the man's work ethic, but I do have one observation. Based on the shape 1.8 is in ATM, I don't see how it will be possible for Minecraft to "go retail" in November. No way. That has as much chance happening as Valve releasing that unfinished Half Life 2 beta. Right now they should drop those other projects, and put a heroic effort into trying to get Minecraft to a stable state by their chosen release date. Spending weeks "researching a secret project" isn't going to cut it. Personally I didn't kick in 20 bucks so they could start developing pet projects, I thought the funds would go to giving Minecraft the support it needs.
guys listen he is newly married he has to set things up also the reason why it`s not more is because for coding a game (lets say the sims) you need to code each individual piece at least ten times for it to remotely work the way it has to and why wouldn't enderman be creepy and adrenalin pumping? what if you were mining and you walk into a dark part of a cave and before you even set a light down some smoke billows into your characters face and you get hit but you cant see the source, obviously meant to be terrifying (and it would be if that happened to you)
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99.8% of anime fans are obsessing over Naruto If you are the last few of the clan who can think up three or more better anime`s than this,paste this on your signature please.
I, like many, have been highly anticipated the 1.8 update since it was announced months ago. All I would like to know, is with atleast 2 months of planning, coding, testing, etc, why does Notch and Mojang half-ass everything?
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Completely agree, it's all a bit disappointing.
The highly advertised "Adventure Update" gets half finished and released with empty villages, a leveling system that does nothing, zero mushroom biomes, etc., and the promise that 1.9 will finish it. What was the point of advertising it so much if you weren't even going to finish it before release? Empty villages? Seriously, Mojang? Ugh.
Just look at what the Aether modders have done in five months, and they did that all in their spare time and without Mojang's millions of dollars. Get your **** together, Mojang!
I got to page 4, decided idiots were about, and put together this post, regardless of the 16 pages ahead of me to read. (Because I normally try to read every post)
In my admittedly-not-so-vast coding experience, Java is a horrible language that only has one good thing going for it: It's human-readable. It's a good first language. But it's not a good language for anything else. C++ is superior, and that's saying a fair bit. Be it for portability reasons or whatever, the decision to code the game in Java was a poor one. However, it's generally easier and somewhat faster to code in Java than other languages, at the cost of poor performance.
Which brings me to wonder how so many bugs exist in a Java game. All I can think of is poor communication among the coding team, and/or poor programming style. Unless the full unobfuscated code is ever actually released, I doubt we'll ever know.
Anyway, Notch has been coding games for some years now. He has, likely, more experience at it than any modder who's worked on this game. He also has access to the full source code of Minecraft, as well as an in-depth understanding of how every feature operates. Frankly, I'm impressed that the modders can do it. But I'm disappointed that the Mojang programming team behind Minecraft doesn't seem to be so apt.
Take note: Markus Persson does not run Mojang. He's officially just a programmer on the team. Minecraft money's allowed Mojang to hire people with experience to run the company while Notch and Jeb and everyone else that comes to mind can do programming, which, apparently is what they're good at. (To each his own)
So, Notch has this full-time job working on Mojang games, primarily Minecraft and Scrolls. Dividing this time to 4 hours per day each, at 5 days a week, as would be a normal job, is 20 hours per week, multiplied by the number of weeks spent on it, and we're getting to a high number of hours. Add Jeb's hours, we have a significant number of man-hours involved in updating a game they have full access to the source code of.
Of course, as would be expected of any Indie dev, Notch doesn't actually spend much time working on the game, as he is instead doing whatever we see his tumblr and twitter say he's doing.
I don't care that so many features have been added, I don't care that this is just a pre-release, I kind of don't even care that that excerpt from the Terms of Use is from after he renegged his original promise to make sure we who paid for Minecraft Alpha, got a full, complete game. The game is bugged to hell, far behind schedule, and hyped features have been put off. And it's in a poor programming language.
I guess it's Notch's thing, and whatever, but I paid for this, with the promise he'd finish it. And I just want the game to work, with all the features promised, and minimal bugs, by the time they say it'll work. If that means Notch has to actually work for a change, so be it. But let's be honest, he doesn't seem to do much work anymore.
Source(s): Amateur programmer (That is, I HAVE written a game, in Java no less. It's not hard. It's not even time-consuming.)
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Who doesn't like Mustard Yellow?
-SchizophrenicMC
Why do we have a Suggestions section if everyone shoots everyone else down? I suggest renaming it the Flame War section. Pun intended.
Yeah, maybe they should have more coders to work on the game. That would make it go a little faster, and I was there during the halloween update, I still thought it was so fricken beast with the NETHER... so that wasn't too bad, but if they hired more guys, they could make everything work, and I know how hard coding is, but together they could... make something.. awesome. I guess.
Lets go over a few things. If notch wanted to release today and say "**** it I dont want to work anymore" legally, he can do that. The only reason he still works on minecraft, if because he likes it. That is the one and only reason.
Unless you can code faster and better, you cannot complain.
The reason he has been so slow, is because he has alot on his plate. "any other developer" has an army of coders, he has just a few. "any other developer" has hardset codes already in place (CoD has been the same for years, they just add a new skin and 2 or 3 new features), they are just tweaking things. Notch is pushing new ground THE WHOLE TIME. a kink in coding can undo 2 weeks of work. "any other developer" has an army of blind fanboys who will nod and like anything they put into the game. Notch is under criticism the whole time, everything that he does is met with pissed off customers, who don't remember what they were pissed about after a week of playing. Notch is doing a damn good job right now, so please, think before you rage.
I rethought that, minecraft is behind schedule because notch is enjoying himself.I agree they could do more, but they could also do less. I am pretty happy with the speed things are going, I just hope that 1.9 with the finishing touches on 1.8 gets out within a few months.
Finally, if you don't like 1.8, don't update.
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After 10:30 PST, my IQ drops to around that of a shovel, please disregard anything I say after aforementioned time, it will likely not make any sense, and is best ignored.
1) Play unfinished game.
2) Download pre-released, unfinished update to unfinished game.
3) Complain that update is unfinished.
4) Fail at life.
I would like to revise my previous post to this.
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After 10:30 PST, my IQ drops to around that of a shovel, please disregard anything I say after aforementioned time, it will likely not make any sense, and is best ignored.
Unless you can code faster and better, you cannot complain.
Uh, the hell we can't.
By that logic we can't complain about crappy or delayed movies, either.
Regardless, look at what the Aether modders, who unlike Mojang don't have millions of dollars or any responsibility to produce a video game, have done in only five months, all in their spare time. Mojang hasn't done half as much in this period of time.
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1) Play unfinished game.
2) Download pre-released, unfinished update to unfinished game.
3) Complain that update is unfinished.
4) Fail at life.
1. We're paying customers.
2. Highly advertised update is released unfinished.
3. Watch mindless fanboys criticize others for being disappointed.
Maybe I don't , but the code they use ( NOt java , the classes n stuff. ). They simply ( Again not saying this is simple , it's hard but not as making the whole game. ) use the class , attach a event and a texture. Without the class and variables that Notch made there wouldn't be any mods.
I'm not a modder or anything but i've tried it few times , and what I did is just the above. Pick name , add event , texture and done.
No, it's not. My money has been fully invested into Minecraft and I believe Mojang's earned every penny of it. If you're going to cry that much about twenty dollars, you probably shouldn't be buying a game that's in beta.
What money is used exactly?
As far as I know , coding is free. Maybe you mean pay the other workers and stuff like that but i'm sure it doesnt take even half of the cash Notch gets.
notch does not care about money if he did he would not give the game away and be fine with people pirating it he just wants to make a game thats all hes even said he will give the game away when hes done with it
On topic: Enderman are not scary and will never be to me. Also, I like the abandon mineshafts and villages.
I mean, you need saftey. Theres a village. Also, i found 12
Completely agree, it's all a bit disappointing.
The highly advertised "Adventure Update" gets half finished and released with empty villages, a leveling system that does nothing, zero mushroom biomes, etc., and the promise that 1.9 will finish it. What was the point of advertising it so much if you weren't even going to finish it before release? Empty villages? Seriously, Mojang? Ugh.
Just look at what the Aether modders have done in five months, and they did that all in their spare time and without Mojang's millions of dollars. Get your **** together, Mojang!
In my admittedly-not-so-vast coding experience, Java is a horrible language that only has one good thing going for it: It's human-readable. It's a good first language. But it's not a good language for anything else. C++ is superior, and that's saying a fair bit. Be it for portability reasons or whatever, the decision to code the game in Java was a poor one. However, it's generally easier and somewhat faster to code in Java than other languages, at the cost of poor performance.
Which brings me to wonder how so many bugs exist in a Java game. All I can think of is poor communication among the coding team, and/or poor programming style. Unless the full unobfuscated code is ever actually released, I doubt we'll ever know.
Anyway, Notch has been coding games for some years now. He has, likely, more experience at it than any modder who's worked on this game. He also has access to the full source code of Minecraft, as well as an in-depth understanding of how every feature operates. Frankly, I'm impressed that the modders can do it. But I'm disappointed that the Mojang programming team behind Minecraft doesn't seem to be so apt.
Take note: Markus Persson does not run Mojang. He's officially just a programmer on the team. Minecraft money's allowed Mojang to hire people with experience to run the company while Notch and Jeb and everyone else that comes to mind can do programming, which, apparently is what they're good at. (To each his own)
So, Notch has this full-time job working on Mojang games, primarily Minecraft and Scrolls. Dividing this time to 4 hours per day each, at 5 days a week, as would be a normal job, is 20 hours per week, multiplied by the number of weeks spent on it, and we're getting to a high number of hours. Add Jeb's hours, we have a significant number of man-hours involved in updating a game they have full access to the source code of.
Of course, as would be expected of any Indie dev, Notch doesn't actually spend much time working on the game, as he is instead doing whatever we see his tumblr and twitter say he's doing.
I don't care that so many features have been added, I don't care that this is just a pre-release, I kind of don't even care that that excerpt from the Terms of Use is from after he renegged his original promise to make sure we who paid for Minecraft Alpha, got a full, complete game. The game is bugged to hell, far behind schedule, and hyped features have been put off. And it's in a poor programming language.
I guess it's Notch's thing, and whatever, but I paid for this, with the promise he'd finish it. And I just want the game to work, with all the features promised, and minimal bugs, by the time they say it'll work. If that means Notch has to actually work for a change, so be it. But let's be honest, he doesn't seem to do much work anymore.
Source(s): Amateur programmer (That is, I HAVE written a game, in Java no less. It's not hard. It's not even time-consuming.)
-SchizophrenicMC
Why do we have a Suggestions section if everyone shoots everyone else down? I suggest renaming it the Flame War section. Pun intended.
He should finish it first.
Unless you can code faster and better, you cannot complain.
The reason he has been so slow, is because he has alot on his plate. "any other developer" has an army of coders, he has just a few. "any other developer" has hardset codes already in place (CoD has been the same for years, they just add a new skin and 2 or 3 new features), they are just tweaking things. Notch is pushing new ground THE WHOLE TIME. a kink in coding can undo 2 weeks of work. "any other developer" has an army of blind fanboys who will nod and like anything they put into the game. Notch is under criticism the whole time, everything that he does is met with pissed off customers, who don't remember what they were pissed about after a week of playing. Notch is doing a damn good job right now, so please, think before you rage.I rethought that, minecraft is behind schedule because notch is enjoying himself.I agree they could do more, but they could also do less. I am pretty happy with the speed things are going, I just hope that 1.9 with the finishing touches on 1.8 gets out within a few months.
Finally, if you don't like 1.8, don't update.
I would like to revise my previous post to this.
Uh, the hell we can't.
By that logic we can't complain about crappy or delayed movies, either.
Regardless, look at what the Aether modders, who unlike Mojang don't have millions of dollars or any responsibility to produce a video game, have done in only five months, all in their spare time. Mojang hasn't done half as much in this period of time.
1. We're paying customers.
2. Highly advertised update is released unfinished.
3. Watch mindless fanboys criticize others for being disappointed.