If this game goes on steam I want a refund, people ask for things they don't know much about and before they know it they realize what they got themselves into. I wont even vote because you decided to mention steam. Sorry.
So even though their company has made millions upon millions of dollars... they can't be bothered to debug on more than one machine setup?
Sounds like another excuse for laziness to me.
Ok, go and find every bug in 1.8, by yourself. No help, just you and the game. Tell me how long it would take you to find every single bug. That is testing while developing it.If you do that for every addition, it would never get done. Even with a large group of testers, you miss things.
Now that you have tested it and found and fixed bugs, run your code through an obfuscating script. Now find all the new bugs.
Now try testing it on every version of java, on every brand of graphics card, on every graphics setting....
Casting it out to 3 million testers is literally the best way to find bugs.with testing, manpower is key. the developer can find one level of bugs. Internal testing can find another. it requires massive, massive efforts to find all of the bugs.
At the company I work, for the past 8+months, 90% of the effort has been going itno finding and fixing bugs. Not adding new features. Not improving old features. Finding bugs. We have hundreds of testers. Now, admittedly our code is much more complex than minecraft, but minecraft still has a huge number of possible test cases. Even more-so than a typical game, due to the open-ended nature of the game. Mojang could have done nothing but bug testing for the last 3 months, and still have bugs. It is the nature of code.
Ok, go and find every bug in 1.8, by yourself. No help, just you and the game. Tell me how long it would take you to find every single bug. That is testing while developing it.If you do that for every addition, it would never get done. Even with a large group of testers, you miss things.
Now that you have tested it and found and fixed bugs, run your code through an obfuscating script. Now find all the new bugs.
Now try testing it on every version of java, on every brand of graphics card, on every graphics setting....
Casting it out to 3 million testers is literally the best way to find bugs.with testing, manpower is key. the developer can find one level of bugs. Internal testing can find another. it requires massive, massive efforts to find all of the bugs.
At the company I work, for the past 8+months, 90% of the effort has been going itno finding and fixing bugs. Not adding new features. Not improving old features. Finding bugs. We have hundreds of testers. Now, admittedly our code is much more complex than minecraft, but minecraft still has a huge number of possible test cases. Even more-so than a typical game, due to the open-ended nature of the game. Mojang could have done nothing but bug testing for the last 3 months, and still have bugs. It is the nature of code.
Okay really... I can't tell. Are you being serious?
I didn't even begin to claim that I was a superior bug tester... yet here you are, telling me, more or less, to put my money where my mouth is and bug test an entire game by myself (and being pretty condescending about it to boot).
My point is that with all the money they've made and their huge customer base, they SHOULDN'T be doing all of this alone if they're as incompetent/slow as they've been coming across.
You say it's difficult and requires large amounts of manpower to properly and promptly bug test a product? So then why is a company that's as well off as Mojang NOT programming the way you say it should be done?
You've made a strong case arguing that Mojang isn't programming/developing quite the way they should be, and I agree with you completely (at least on this one solitary point).
Whether or not I am lazy has absolutely zero bearing on the discussion. I am not charging people for a product like Notch is.
But your being lazy has everything to do with this discussion. You said you have a full time job. You have obligations to various people. Nothing is free in life and when you are lazy and take time to relax surely someone is losing precious time because of you. Really we are all in similar situations to Notch, albeit smaller in proportion, but it would hypocritical of us to take the option of being lazy and than judging Notch for it.
Secondly, you argue that Notch owes you because you are determined that you were promised a full game. You paid for a full game, but what really is a full game? Minecraft really can't be labelled as an incomplete game just because the adventure update isn't out, and you can't possibly be arguing that you haven't gotten your money's worth because it is hard to argue minecraft isn't a game worth the 15$-20$ bucks you paid. So what you are arguing is Notch owes you a full game. Well Notch decides what is labelled as a full game then. What he owes you he has already promised will be out November 11th. That is the official release of minecraft last time I checked, and Notch doesn't owe you any in-between or any obligation other than that really. He doesn't "owe" you this update.
No where did I read when I bought minecraft that Notch has to come out with this adventure update. I wasn't promised anything you are complaining about. Him being lazy is a personal matter and really has nothing to do with what you were promised or paid for, so I guess that is the end of the argument on the opening post because 1.8 is charity work basically, consider it like free dlc for a game. You have absolutely no right to complain about free dlc because they owe you no obligation to deliver this 1.8 update.
BUT, when his laziness starts effecting the official release date (the ONLY obligation he owes you) then you may feel free to start complaining about it.
I hate to repost, but I'd absolutely love a response about this, or even better, you can change your excuse that you have the right to complain because you bought the game. Because as I stated above that is a poor excuse for what you are complaining about.
I thought the exact same thing, like why exact does this guy feel so obligated to complain about something that Notch doesn't even have to do? That just comes off as arrogant and hypocritical to me.
Okay really... I can't tell. Are you being serious?
I didn't even begin to claim that I was a superior bug tester... yet here you are, telling me, more or less, to put my money where my mouth is and bug test an entire game by myself (and being pretty condescending about it to boot).
My point is that with all the money they've made and their huge customer base, they SHOULDN'T be doing all of this alone if they're as incompetent/slow as they've been coming across.
You say it's difficult and requires large amounts of manpower to properly and promptly bug test a product? So then why is a company that's as well off as Mojang NOT programming the way you say it should be done?
You've made a strong case arguing that Mojang isn't programming/developing quite the way they should be, and I agree with you completely (at least on this one solitary point).
Thanks for the support.
I LOVE how you took his words and twisted them into something completely different.
I hate to repost, but I'd absolutely love a response about this, or even better, you can change your excuse that you have the right to complain because you bought the game. Because as I stated above that is a poor excuse for what you are complaining about.
You know what I would absolutely love? If people like you would stop making completely false claims about my stance and spouting them off as fact. It would also be nice if you would READ what you're posting and think about whether or not it makes sense.
You say that my laziness has EVERYTHING to do with this discussion. Then you completely and utterly fail to provide any reason at all WHY it is relevant. But you did write a nice little paragraph about absolutely nothing at all to make it seem like you know what you were talking about.
Go ahead and tell me why, as a paying customer, my capabilities to have an opinion are limited by my laziness. I'd LOVE to hear your response to that.
Your second paragraph is equally unrelated to the discussion and full of misinformation. I never once said that "Notch owes me the adventure update" (even though you'd be happy to let the rest of the forum think that I did, wouldn't you?). I never actually said that he owed me ANYTHING beyond the "Full Version", to which I also added something to the effect of, "and we don't know what that Full Version will actually be, we could be playing the Full Version right now".
Oh wait, paragraph three is still just you rambling about how I think Notch should be my slave.
There's your response. I hope you like reading it as much as I liked repeating myself for the 20th time. You've completely misunderstood the entire point of the OP, like almost every other person who uses the "Notch doesn't owe you anything", "Notch isn't your slave" and "Notch has a life outside of Minecraft" arguments.
Shame on you Notch.
Shame on you Mojang.
You suckered me in with an interesting game and all sorts of wild promises that never seem to fully materialize.
Won't happen again!
Was fun while it lasted.
You know what I would absolutely love? If people like you would stop making completely false claims about my stance and spouting them off as fact. It would also be nice if you would READ what you're posting and think about whether or not it makes sense.
I've read this part VERY clearly. You were "suckered" into an interesting game with "wild promises". Further more at some points you did infact state you deserve the right to complain because you are a paying customer. You do deserve that right, just only that of which you bought. All of my comments full well address that a paying customer really shouldn't have any say in the 1.8 content to come and how it is done because they didn't pay for this content.
The only thing you paid for was minecraft as is right now, and the complete game to come later. Unless you are claiming stupidity in not knowing what you were buying? You somehow convinced yourself you have the role of shareholder, but you don't, you are JUST a paying customer, whining about something you didn't buy or have no say in. So it is you who have failed to "READ" my post.
This thread was originally going to be a Post for THIS thread, but it became large, and I preferred to make it a separate thread on it's own. This basically puts EVERYTHING flat out. So guys, for those of you who keep arguing, please take a look at this thread I made, describing the whole 'Notch is Lazy/F*** Mojang' situation.
Please take time to read the following. Feel free to post and let me know what you all think:
I can already feel the hate comments coming from those who really hate Notch at the moment.
I've read this part VERY clearly. You were "suckered" into an interesting game with "wild promises". Further more at some points you did infact state you deserve the right to complain because you are a paying customer. You do deserve that right, just only that of which you bought. All of my comments full well address that a paying customer really shouldn't have any say in the 1.8 content to come and how it is done because they didn't pay for this content.
The only thing you paid for was minecraft as is right now, and the complete game to come later. Unless you are claiming stupidity in not knowing what you were buying? You somehow convinced yourself you have the role of shareholder, but you don't, you are JUST a paying customer, whining about something you didn't buy or have no say in. So it is you who have failed to "READ" my post.
1) This post makes no sense. You say something about me claiming to have a right to an opinion (you conveniently use the word complain). Then you go on to agree with me. Then you go on to say that 1.8 is off-limits because it's not released yet (even though it is now, and all of my opinions are still valid, if not strengthened, after the release).
EDIT: I suppose you could have been implying that since I bought the game before 1.8 came out that I have no right to an opinion on anything beyond that point. That's a little crazy don't you think?
What do you have to say about the fact that all of my opinions would be just as valid coming from someone who purchased the game today?
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2) I'm going to take your silence regarding the previous post as an indication that you think I'm right. Glad we could establish that.
A year is a long time. He may have just forgotten.
I'm still standing by my point that this thread was completely pointless.
I'm sorry, but Mojang is supposed to be a "professional" company. "I forgot" is not an appropriate excuse. A professional company shouldn't be making excuses in any case.
If this thread is so pointless, then why do you keep pointlessly ranting about how pointless it is?
I personally think its great someone got a thread like this to be seen by this many people.
Say Notch, or somebody else from Mojang sees this thread. If they really want to get up to the level of other much larger game companies, they're going to need to acknowledge their customer's opinions. Its not a good idea to continue to sell the same product without knowing your customer's opinions of it.
I agree that Mojang hasn't really come through with what they said we could expect. If you think about what content actually gets put into each main update(1.4, 1.5, etc. Not the small bug fix updates), the number of people that are working on it, the amount of time between updates, and the fact that this is their main product(it doesn't matter if its not the final release, they're still making PLENTY of money off of it) and then think about the amount of content a single modder can put out in a couple days while making very little, if any, money off of it you'll probably realize that they're not working as hard as they probably should be. Modders have a life away from modding as well as the workers at Mojang having a life away from their job, but this is their JOB. Add onto that idea the fact that every release has numerous bugs and problems with it that have taken even up to 6 bug fixes afterwards to fix. Some of the bugs are just stupid things that they would have easily come across if they did testing like they are supposed to; like a professional company with an extremely popular product should.
I didn't get a chance to try the second early release of 1.8 yet, but I know I was disappointed with the first one. It was released very shortly before the original proposed release date of 1.8 and the only major things I saw in it were the new smoother transitioning lighting and the fact that they had a terrain generation feature and a new mob that actually have to do with each other. The rivers were cool and all but that is just a matter of putting something else into the terrain generation loop. I have yet to find any Silverfish. Endermen were only cool for about the first one, but after that they just felt kind of stupid. They didn't at all give the effect Notch had described in his Tumblr post. What really bugged were the place holders that they used for the Endermen. They didn't have their own sounds, they used the zombie's sounds. They had their own item, the Enderpearl, but it didn't do anything. I have had experience coding in a couple different languages, and in modding Minecraft and it doesn't take but a couple minutes to add in a new item with it's own texture that doesn't do anything and make an entity drop it when it dies. The Endermen seemed to be the most hyped up addition in 1.8 and it was only about halfway done by this update if you look at only the client. The Endermen didn't do much of anything, other than be a placeholder for an entity, in the server. You would attack them and they didn't do anything, they hadn't even begun implementing the main parts of the Endermen in the server. They would fly backwards, take damage and then just stand there and look stupid. No teleportation, no chasing, no staring at you, no freezing in place when you looked at them. Nothing. There's also the usual performance loss before any bug fixes come out.
I could also bring up the the times when Minecraft.net goes down because they don't have the hardware to back up the number of people using it. I don't understand why they have everything having to do with Minecraft running from the same site anyways. They should have a separate site for each of the main actions they want to perform. Logging in from the Minecraft launcher should send login credentials to its own site. Playing on the site itself should log into a different one so that there is an alternative if one goes down. Honestly, if they really want to get to be a big game company they should have already thought of this or even started implementing it.
I could also complain about the game being written in Java. I mean c'mon. Java? Really? You couldn't have picked something different? Anything different? I run Minecraft on my Acer Aspire 6930 Laptop with 2.0GHz Core 2 Duo T5800 CPU with an Intel GMA 4500MHD Integrated graphics chipset with 190 something MB's(Yea I know, weird number right? I don't get it either and I'm not misreading 128MB as 190MB either) of memory allocated to it from my 3 GB of RAM. I get 30 fps as a maximum if I'm lucky. If I run any other Minecraft clone that was coded in a C based language and I get around 150 with the frame limiter turned off. Of course, this isn't an entirely fair as none of the clones have as many calculations to do each frame such as tree growth, redstone, and liquids, but you get the idea.
Overall, I loved playing Minecraft by itself without any mods for about a month after I bought it. After that I've had to have some sort of mod to actually have fun and that lasted for about half a year or so before that got boring. I only go back to playing if there is a really large mod that comes out now. I usually only use Minecraft as the engine to test random ideas I've got or for working on my current mod. Honestly though, Notch got lucky with Minecraft and he doesn't seem to be up to the challenge of staying in the position he's in. He got his money and now he thinks he doesn't have to work as hard.
[EDIT] I have also yet to see anything to do with the Modding Support they have been saying would come with it. What's the news on that? That was the only thing I was definitely looking forward to in this update, but I haven't been able to find anything on it yet.
1) This post makes no sense. You say something about me claiming to have a right to an opinion (you conveniently use the word complain). Then you go on to agree with me. Then you go on to say that 1.8 is off-limits because it's not released yet (even though it is now, and all of my opinions are still valid, if not strengthened, after the release).
I'm claiming that 1.8 is not necessary to get you what you feel you were promised. Show me where it says when you buy minecraft that Notch is forced to dish out this update, especially in a timely manner. "Wild promises" must mean you got the impression that Notch has an obligation to you and everyone else that 1.8 be released and it be fantabulous.
You paid for minecraft as is, and you will get the complete game later, so how does he also owe you this update? Are you implying that the product you bought at the time does not meet your standards. Or are you implying that the end product yet to be released so far not meeting your standards? You are "giving your opinion" on something that doesn't have to do with what you paid for. We paid for the beta at hand, and now you are judging this new buggy update as if it was the end product which you paid for, and you are stating that Notch is being lazy and comprimising your time at his expense. But the only thing his laziness risks compromising is something you can not yet even forsee. So were where these "wild promises" you so claim that state the beta version of the game meet all your expectations and more.
I think it is total oppisite actually. I'm pretty sure that there is a disclaimer a couple times saying minecraft IS in BETA and that it will be BUGGY. There were no "wild promises" that he never take a vacation in-between his coding before he finishs the end product. So if he releases the game when he says he will, he met all of his promises.
What do you have to say about the fact that all of my opinions would be just as valid coming from someone who purchased the game today?
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2) I'm going to take your silence regarding the previous post as an indication that you think I'm right. Glad we could establish that.
People can voice their "opinions" about 1.8 all they want. But when they go stating they are justified that Notch owes them more - I will go correcting them, because they are wrong.
Also, sorry for not replying right away. I'd hate for you to accuse me of being lazy because you were not on the top of my to reply list. The sun and the moon does not revolve around me doing one individual task. I do what is most important to ME first. Which does not mean I am necessarily "lazy". It just means you are not my favourite child so to speak.
Edit: I'm going to take your silence regarding this post that you think I'm right. Glad we could establish that.
Notch is not Lazy. Notch is working on another project. Jeb probably WANTED to take control, otherwise I don't think Jeb would agree with working on it solo. Mojang is working hard. People need to shut up and be more patient. I have already spoken my words, along with the thread I linked to a previous post. If people continue to complain, too bad for them. They just want things THEIR way, and it doesn't and wont happen 'THEIR' way.
Agreed. You Confirmed the purchase, for the game as it was. You are freely given updates, with NO OBLIGATION to Update. This is YOUR choice. If you don't like the updates, THERE ARE sites that allow you to get other versions of Minecraft. You have to look for it. I can not tell you because it is illegal and against the rules.
You are not entitled to anything, regarding Minecraft, from Mojang. You pre-ordered their game which didn't even have a release date until recently (which they made clear to everyone). The only reason you get to play is because they release beta updates to you out of the kindness of their hearts. For that matter you even get development updates from the lead designer himself, telling you his progress on the game. Feel lucky for all the things you have, not bitter for the things you feel you deserve.
Edit: I'm going to take your silence regarding this post that you think I'm right. Glad we could establish that.
Good try...
When I said that to you it was because you completely ignored my response which, in your own words, you would "absolutely love to hear". I responded... then you completely ignored that portion of my post (Probably because I pointed out how awful your argument was).
When you said it to me... it was because you're impatient and didn't feel like waiting for my response before you claimed yourself the victor.
Steam is just a money thirsty company.
Ok, go and find every bug in 1.8, by yourself. No help, just you and the game. Tell me how long it would take you to find every single bug. That is testing while developing it.If you do that for every addition, it would never get done. Even with a large group of testers, you miss things.
Now that you have tested it and found and fixed bugs, run your code through an obfuscating script. Now find all the new bugs.
Now try testing it on every version of java, on every brand of graphics card, on every graphics setting....
Casting it out to 3 million testers is literally the best way to find bugs.with testing, manpower is key. the developer can find one level of bugs. Internal testing can find another. it requires massive, massive efforts to find all of the bugs.
At the company I work, for the past 8+months, 90% of the effort has been going itno finding and fixing bugs. Not adding new features. Not improving old features. Finding bugs. We have hundreds of testers. Now, admittedly our code is much more complex than minecraft, but minecraft still has a huge number of possible test cases. Even more-so than a typical game, due to the open-ended nature of the game. Mojang could have done nothing but bug testing for the last 3 months, and still have bugs. It is the nature of code.
Okay really... I can't tell. Are you being serious?
I didn't even begin to claim that I was a superior bug tester... yet here you are, telling me, more or less, to put my money where my mouth is and bug test an entire game by myself (and being pretty condescending about it to boot).
My point is that with all the money they've made and their huge customer base, they SHOULDN'T be doing all of this alone if they're as incompetent/slow as they've been coming across.
You say it's difficult and requires large amounts of manpower to properly and promptly bug test a product? So then why is a company that's as well off as Mojang NOT programming the way you say it should be done?
You've made a strong case arguing that Mojang isn't programming/developing quite the way they should be, and I agree with you completely (at least on this one solitary point).
Thanks for the support.
I hate to repost, but I'd absolutely love a response about this, or even better, you can change your excuse that you have the right to complain because you bought the game. Because as I stated above that is a poor excuse for what you are complaining about.
I thought the exact same thing, like why exact does this guy feel so obligated to complain about something that Notch doesn't even have to do? That just comes off as arrogant and hypocritical to me.
I LOVE how you took his words and twisted them into something completely different.
You know what I would absolutely love? If people like you would stop making completely false claims about my stance and spouting them off as fact. It would also be nice if you would READ what you're posting and think about whether or not it makes sense.
You say that my laziness has EVERYTHING to do with this discussion. Then you completely and utterly fail to provide any reason at all WHY it is relevant. But you did write a nice little paragraph about absolutely nothing at all to make it seem like you know what you were talking about.
Go ahead and tell me why, as a paying customer, my capabilities to have an opinion are limited by my laziness. I'd LOVE to hear your response to that.
Your second paragraph is equally unrelated to the discussion and full of misinformation. I never once said that "Notch owes me the adventure update" (even though you'd be happy to let the rest of the forum think that I did, wouldn't you?). I never actually said that he owed me ANYTHING beyond the "Full Version", to which I also added something to the effect of, "and we don't know what that Full Version will actually be, we could be playing the Full Version right now".
Oh wait, paragraph three is still just you rambling about how I think Notch should be my slave.
There's your response. I hope you like reading it as much as I liked repeating myself for the 20th time. You've completely misunderstood the entire point of the OP, like almost every other person who uses the "Notch doesn't owe you anything", "Notch isn't your slave" and "Notch has a life outside of Minecraft" arguments.
I've read this part VERY clearly. You were "suckered" into an interesting game with "wild promises". Further more at some points you did infact state you deserve the right to complain because you are a paying customer. You do deserve that right, just only that of which you bought. All of my comments full well address that a paying customer really shouldn't have any say in the 1.8 content to come and how it is done because they didn't pay for this content.
The only thing you paid for was minecraft as is right now, and the complete game to come later. Unless you are claiming stupidity in not knowing what you were buying? You somehow convinced yourself you have the role of shareholder, but you don't, you are JUST a paying customer, whining about something you didn't buy or have no say in. So it is you who have failed to "READ" my post.
This thread was originally going to be a Post for THIS thread, but it became large, and I preferred to make it a separate thread on it's own. This basically puts EVERYTHING flat out. So guys, for those of you who keep arguing, please take a look at this thread I made, describing the whole 'Notch is Lazy/F*** Mojang' situation.
Please take time to read the following. Feel free to post and let me know what you all think:
I can already feel the hate comments coming from those who really hate Notch at the moment.
http://www.twitter.com/PoopCoolbro/
1) This post makes no sense. You say something about me claiming to have a right to an opinion (you conveniently use the word complain). Then you go on to agree with me. Then you go on to say that 1.8 is off-limits because it's not released yet (even though it is now, and all of my opinions are still valid, if not strengthened, after the release).
EDIT: I suppose you could have been implying that since I bought the game before 1.8 came out that I have no right to an opinion on anything beyond that point. That's a little crazy don't you think?
What do you have to say about the fact that all of my opinions would be just as valid coming from someone who purchased the game today?
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2) I'm going to take your silence regarding the previous post as an indication that you think I'm right. Glad we could establish that.
The OP?
I'm sorry, but Mojang is supposed to be a "professional" company. "I forgot" is not an appropriate excuse. A professional company shouldn't be making excuses in any case.
If this thread is so pointless, then why do you keep pointlessly ranting about how pointless it is?
I personally think its great someone got a thread like this to be seen by this many people.
Say Notch, or somebody else from Mojang sees this thread. If they really want to get up to the level of other much larger game companies, they're going to need to acknowledge their customer's opinions. Its not a good idea to continue to sell the same product without knowing your customer's opinions of it.
I agree that Mojang hasn't really come through with what they said we could expect. If you think about what content actually gets put into each main update(1.4, 1.5, etc. Not the small bug fix updates), the number of people that are working on it, the amount of time between updates, and the fact that this is their main product(it doesn't matter if its not the final release, they're still making PLENTY of money off of it) and then think about the amount of content a single modder can put out in a couple days while making very little, if any, money off of it you'll probably realize that they're not working as hard as they probably should be. Modders have a life away from modding as well as the workers at Mojang having a life away from their job, but this is their JOB. Add onto that idea the fact that every release has numerous bugs and problems with it that have taken even up to 6 bug fixes afterwards to fix. Some of the bugs are just stupid things that they would have easily come across if they did testing like they are supposed to; like a professional company with an extremely popular product should.
I didn't get a chance to try the second early release of 1.8 yet, but I know I was disappointed with the first one. It was released very shortly before the original proposed release date of 1.8 and the only major things I saw in it were the new smoother transitioning lighting and the fact that they had a terrain generation feature and a new mob that actually have to do with each other. The rivers were cool and all but that is just a matter of putting something else into the terrain generation loop. I have yet to find any Silverfish. Endermen were only cool for about the first one, but after that they just felt kind of stupid. They didn't at all give the effect Notch had described in his Tumblr post. What really bugged were the place holders that they used for the Endermen. They didn't have their own sounds, they used the zombie's sounds. They had their own item, the Enderpearl, but it didn't do anything. I have had experience coding in a couple different languages, and in modding Minecraft and it doesn't take but a couple minutes to add in a new item with it's own texture that doesn't do anything and make an entity drop it when it dies. The Endermen seemed to be the most hyped up addition in 1.8 and it was only about halfway done by this update if you look at only the client. The Endermen didn't do much of anything, other than be a placeholder for an entity, in the server. You would attack them and they didn't do anything, they hadn't even begun implementing the main parts of the Endermen in the server. They would fly backwards, take damage and then just stand there and look stupid. No teleportation, no chasing, no staring at you, no freezing in place when you looked at them. Nothing. There's also the usual performance loss before any bug fixes come out.
I could also bring up the the times when Minecraft.net goes down because they don't have the hardware to back up the number of people using it. I don't understand why they have everything having to do with Minecraft running from the same site anyways. They should have a separate site for each of the main actions they want to perform. Logging in from the Minecraft launcher should send login credentials to its own site. Playing on the site itself should log into a different one so that there is an alternative if one goes down. Honestly, if they really want to get to be a big game company they should have already thought of this or even started implementing it.
I could also complain about the game being written in Java. I mean c'mon. Java? Really? You couldn't have picked something different? Anything different? I run Minecraft on my Acer Aspire 6930 Laptop with 2.0GHz Core 2 Duo T5800 CPU with an Intel GMA 4500MHD Integrated graphics chipset with 190 something MB's(Yea I know, weird number right? I don't get it either and I'm not misreading 128MB as 190MB either) of memory allocated to it from my 3 GB of RAM. I get 30 fps as a maximum if I'm lucky. If I run any other Minecraft clone that was coded in a C based language and I get around 150 with the frame limiter turned off. Of course, this isn't an entirely fair as none of the clones have as many calculations to do each frame such as tree growth, redstone, and liquids, but you get the idea.
Overall, I loved playing Minecraft by itself without any mods for about a month after I bought it. After that I've had to have some sort of mod to actually have fun and that lasted for about half a year or so before that got boring. I only go back to playing if there is a really large mod that comes out now. I usually only use Minecraft as the engine to test random ideas I've got or for working on my current mod. Honestly though, Notch got lucky with Minecraft and he doesn't seem to be up to the challenge of staying in the position he's in. He got his money and now he thinks he doesn't have to work as hard.
[EDIT] I have also yet to see anything to do with the Modding Support they have been saying would come with it. What's the news on that? That was the only thing I was definitely looking forward to in this update, but I haven't been able to find anything on it yet.
I'm claiming that 1.8 is not necessary to get you what you feel you were promised. Show me where it says when you buy minecraft that Notch is forced to dish out this update, especially in a timely manner. "Wild promises" must mean you got the impression that Notch has an obligation to you and everyone else that 1.8 be released and it be fantabulous.
You paid for minecraft as is, and you will get the complete game later, so how does he also owe you this update? Are you implying that the product you bought at the time does not meet your standards. Or are you implying that the end product yet to be released so far not meeting your standards? You are "giving your opinion" on something that doesn't have to do with what you paid for. We paid for the beta at hand, and now you are judging this new buggy update as if it was the end product which you paid for, and you are stating that Notch is being lazy and comprimising your time at his expense. But the only thing his laziness risks compromising is something you can not yet even forsee. So were where these "wild promises" you so claim that state the beta version of the game meet all your expectations and more.
I think it is total oppisite actually. I'm pretty sure that there is a disclaimer a couple times saying minecraft IS in BETA and that it will be BUGGY. There were no "wild promises" that he never take a vacation in-between his coding before he finishs the end product. So if he releases the game when he says he will, he met all of his promises.
People can voice their "opinions" about 1.8 all they want. But when they go stating they are justified that Notch owes them more - I will go correcting them, because they are wrong.
Also, sorry for not replying right away. I'd hate for you to accuse me of being lazy because you were not on the top of my to reply list. The sun and the moon does not revolve around me doing one individual task. I do what is most important to ME first. Which does not mean I am necessarily "lazy". It just means you are not my favourite child so to speak.
Edit: I'm going to take your silence regarding this post that you think I'm right. Glad we could establish that.
Good try...
When I said that to you it was because you completely ignored my response which, in your own words, you would "absolutely love to hear". I responded... then you completely ignored that portion of my post (Probably because I pointed out how awful your argument was).
When you said it to me... it was because you're impatient and didn't feel like waiting for my response before you claimed yourself the victor.
two VASTLY different situations.
But once again... good try.