Due to the overpowered-ness of mercs, I'm clarifying some things.
1. We mercs ARE NOT A TEAM. We live in a single base. That is all.
2. We sometimes work together. That is oaky.
3. We are independent most of the time. Hire us if you wish.
4. We are quite easily persuaded my points, since it's hard for us to get them otherwise.
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A. Should there be mercs? If yes, should there be a cap on them and how many?
Yes, there should be mercs as there is a way to do something after your faction has died out. There should only be two to start however (TrompeOeil and myself since we were the two originals). After that, allow faction less people to join only if their faction is truely gone.
B. Should we reset the map?
I don't care either way. I will be doing my thing and I don't have a base anyway.
C. Should we shuffle the factions? If so, should it be random?
You shuffle the factions but try to make them more equal. It doesn't matter how you do it so long as you do it.
A. Should there be mercs? If yes, should there be a cap on them and how many?: As many mercs as people want. However Mercs shoulden't be able to use ths fractions spawn chests.
B. Should we reset the map?: NO
C. Should we shuffle the factions? If so, should it be random?: NO
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That's three mass invasions within the same bloody month! I mean, seriously! The UDTU is attacking now, Blue has a sleeper attack coming soon, and now an invasion by space pirates? What is this, Russia if every american-made FPS happened at once?! - MagicallyDwarven
In Game Name: Awolfers
Faction: Technos
What you can contribute? (give me a good answer): I can contribute building knowledge and TNT knowledge to make weaponry and ships, and dedication.
Why you want to join? (give me a good answer): I want to join because flying around and fighting sounds like the MOST FUN concept ever. That and I'd like to work in a team.
Do you understand the rules/why they exist?: Yes, I understand them, and that they are in place to prevent griefers.
^&*
Still didn't get a response on this, reposted it from 2 pages ago.
A. Should there be mercs? If yes, should there be a cap on them and how many?: Yes, but with a cap. THe cap being: one wo mercs, Tromp, and the other guy.
B. Should we reset the map?: no. NO NONONONONONON NO NO!
C. Should we shuffle the factions? If so, should it be random?:Not random
. Should there be mercs? If yes, should there be a cap on them and how many?: Yes, but they shouldn't be able to buy ships or TNT. If they want to cause lots of damage (for example, bring down a faction) they have to steal or be payed.
B. Should we reset the map?: No.
C. Should we shuffle the factions? If so, should it be random?: No.
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Ok Im back and have alot to say from the last 14+ hours of going through in game and out of game stuff...
First off and the most important point is WE NEED BETTER COMMUNICATION.
Hands down thats why there is all this stuff being thrown around and people just annoying the **** out of me..
2nd. Yes I said Annoying the **** out of me.
Guys Im here as a player. Yes I am admin and Im here for you if you have issues.. Im actually glad I can be able to offer you guys help if need be.
However, I Am also trying to play and sometimes Im the only player of my faction on at the time and will have people just asking 50 questions and getting pissed because I dont respond or say HEY give me a few Im busy atm.
Next up is I DO NOT GIVE OUT ITEMS... None dont even ask me or say well Cala does this or LAST TIME they would.... I dont care. I wasnt here last time and Im not Cala.... All I can go by is what I see from the OP / Rules. What can I give out? Your Faction's color wool... Thats it, nothing else because someone stole your stuff. Im sorry but Im not going to do it.
Also Last night There was a player who decided to argue with me for 20+ minutes over an non issue. If you have a problem with what I say then take it to tells. Dont go on and on saying YOUR WRONG!
If there is a Ruling question I come here to the OP and will repeat the rule word for word in game. That is what I go off of.
The main issue was Can I steal this players ship if they are off line... I was like sure since its not attacking thier base theft is ok...
Then it was questioned and I found out I was wrong, Ships and bases can ONLY be destroyed IF a player of that faction is on. If no one is on you cant do anything to their base / ships...
The other side is well that means that cant take out items from out chest...
YES THEY CAN.. If your chest is out in the open even WITHIN your base its open for grabs.
My personal base / Faction base has 4 chests hidden through out all the different levels of the base. Why is it hidden? Because I dont want it stolen!
Teleporting Players.... There is no rule saying what I can do or can not do with this. My stance is the following. IF FACTION player A wants to be teleported to FACTION player B because their base is under attack.. Too bad its not going to happen. If your both on the same faction then I have no problem with it.. If you are different factions I will ask the person your asking to be TPd to first. If they say no, then it wont happen.
I believe thats it for the rant.. Im sorry if this offends anyone Im sorry but I play this game too and not to be asked to hold your hand while you play. We are at war with each other.. It would actually be better for me NOT to help you out. But again thats not fair play.
So thats it for my 2 cents...
EDIT:
Btw guys, Another "grind my gears" is You all can not fix/repair the spawn. So that leaves it to the admins to come in and give it a try.
The other day I tried this and was cought off guard by a creeper who killed me.
3 people rushed my corpse and took my items. I know a few of them are items you shouldnt have yet like 5 stacks of obsidian or 64 stack of diamond picks etc etc...
I asked for the items to be returned and 2 of you ignored me, the only player to give things back was FailMineman. If I have this happen again I will be an ass and randomly teleport to you, ban you and steal your entire factions chest. Then come here and tell your faction why they lost their savings.
Due to the overpowered-ness of mercs, I'm clarifying some things.
1. We mercs ARE NOT A TEAM. We live in a single base. That is all.
2. We sometimes work together. That is oaky.
3. We are independent most of the time. Hire us if you wish.
4. We are quite easily persuaded my points, since it's hard for us to get them otherwise.
Well, I still seek to argue as I believe the mercs of this server are destroying the servers basic properties..
Heres the main thought of the merc debate...
Well I see you say they are not a faction, well okay they are they are not. This can all be debated but what is true is they are being reckless pvpers that just ravage the land. I mean really this was supposed to be a faction based pvp and i think everyone would agree its a war server not pvp ruthless only the ruthless pvp in war or ambushes that start war. Mercs say they are not a faction, they are not but in some ways they are. Look at it this way, They have a base and factions have one or more points and gain points in a point system which they have. They arn't factions when solo but when they are allowed to team up, they are a faction of ruthless beings that can just crush everything because certain rules don't apply to them. I say we need a solution we need barbarians!
Barbarians
Natives to the land of Aerogale they fought the first wars. they fought for many reasons tribes of the barbarians battled constant wars with each other, eventually they formed leagues, but some remained isolated the barbarians to this day are in tribes, or tribal leagues and continue to wage war across the land.
and cal this is a factionless faction your wasting management on, mercs they destroy the point of this server, have wanderers not mercs. have barbarians even. idc
Well, I still seek to argue as I believe the mercs of this server are destroying the servers basic properties..
Heres the main thought of the merc debate...
Well I see you say they are not a faction, well okay they are they are not. This can all be debated but what is true is they are being reckless pvpers that just ravage the land. I mean really this was supposed to be a faction based pvp and i think everyone would agree its a war server not pvp ruthless only the ruthless pvp in war or ambushes that start war. Mercs say they are not a faction, they are not but in some ways they are. Look at it this way, They have a base and factions have one or more points and gain points in a point system which they have. They arn't factions when solo but when they are allowed to team up, they are a faction of ruthless beings that can just crush everything because certain rules don't apply to them. I say we need a solution we need barbarians!
Barbarians
Natives to the land of Aerogale they fought the first wars. they fought for many reasons tribes of the barbarians battled constant wars with each other, eventually they formed leagues, but some remained isolated the barbarians to this day are in tribes, or tribal leagues and continue to wage war across the land.
and cal this is a factionless faction your wasting management on, mercs they destroy the point of this server, have wanderers not mercs. have barbarians even. idc
Thank you for your opinion. It's appreciated you don't yell!
Anyway, I do have to agree that mercs ruin the core point. I'm voting for a low number of mercs (2 or 3), not allowed to band together. You CAN help people outside your faction though.
Possibly this, since I know trompe applied to be a merc.
You MUST be tied to a faction, by definition. But read on, since that's not my final judgement. You can choose to be more or less clingy to your faction. Less clingy people act as mercs, but still have a faction they can call home, and someone their targets can choose to blame.
That settles not wanting to be stuck to a faction, and the ability to "go nomad," like Trompe and Kamikaze want.
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Ok sorry for the double post but I believe its better so my vote doesnt get skipped over the mass text of my last post.
A. Should there be mercs? If yes, should there be a cap on them and how many?:
Yes, this allows players to try and prove they are Rambo ( Me VS the WORLD ) It gives players the ability to actually see who and what playstyle a faction has and not be the person who just wants to faction hop because (MY TEAM SUCKS.....)
A limit should be 1/3 of what the final cap per team is. so if team caps are 6 then Mercs should be two. If 12 then 4 etc etc... Too many mercs and everyone would want to be, limitting mercs will force them to choose carefully on who they join.
B. Should we reset the map?:
YES, Most definitely. Why?
Because you have people who know where the other factions are because thats where they was last time... You have factions who are using the same base they used last time because its easier (they know what it has in it and know its not a wasted effort. Plus Ive already seen people yell at each other saying hey this is so and so faction we had this last time you guys have to move!
I spent 20+ minutes going around looking for a base. I had 2 mob farms, a wheat farm and was building an obsidian farm when Gala used my home portal to get back to Aerogale.
Once I found this out I trashed the entire base and spent another hour looking for a base.
The 2nd one is 10x better than what I had. I can promise you that unless you saw one of our ships dock into the base the odds are you would completely fly past it and never even know.
Currently we have hit Bedrock in my mining tunnel and have close to 4+ stacks of diamond, over 8 gold blocks and enough redstone to last us the war.
Then we also have 3 mob (dungeon spawners) pits of Skels, Zombies, and Creepers. 2 Animal farms, 1 tree farm, and our own hydroponics wheat farm.
All of this with less than 3 days of map time? Granted I am on longer than 90% of you all but I've also been going at this solo allowing my members to work on the other main base set up.
So Yeah, change the map.
If we changed maps, I can set us up a map like the following.
LARGE SPAWN. Yes a new spawn that can be seen for a large distance.
Faction Buildings. This could be where your items are stored at the start of the map. I can go further and add portals to your base to help all over your members know where to go not just sit at spawn because they dont have a clue where to go.
Your Faction building could also be large enough to act as a Docking area for your ships. This would be for when your ship is bought with points and would be placed at your building to help show people that it is YOUR Ship. Not just another added player ship.
Lastly the other reason is that we currently have around 6-10 LOST ships on our map.. This is from people moving their ship and hitting a lag spike and the ship moving on but your not. Odds are you fall to your death and now have no idea where your ship is.
Most common cause for this is people just holding right click down while moving...
If your ship is larger than 10 total blocks, odds are high your going to lag the server doing this style of move. If you just quickly tap instead of holding it puts less "lag" and ensures you can get to your base with few map loads.
C. Should we shuffle the factions? If so, should it be random?:
Shuffling factions should be a no. If anything Place a cap and allow people to resign up for factions.
Player Cap of 5-7 members. Which would put us at 30-42 players + 3-10 for Mercs / unknown allowing us a buffer of 10-15 players to use as alts or replacements for teams who have a player stop showing up.
Odds are there is most to say, but I cant think of it at this time..
Ok sorry for the double post but I believe... -clipped-
Okay. Regarding factiions:
1. I'm going to cut the whitelist down A LOT. If you haven't been on, you get cut.
2. Then I'm cutting Gallente.
3. Then I'm reassigning players. This will mostly be leftovers. WAIT FOR ME TO CONTACT YOU ABOUT CHANGING FACTION.
4. Then we're resetting the map. I'm going to get started, using the seed "aerogale"
5. Finally, I'm choosing the mercs.
This is all going by general vote. If you got a problem with it, deal with it.
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1. I'm going to cut the whitelist down A LOT. If you haven't been on, you get cut.
2. Then I'm cutting Gallente.
3. Then I'm reassigning players. This will mostly be leftovers. WAIT FOR ME TO CONTACT YOU ABOUT CHANGING FACTION.
4. Then we're resetting the map. I'm going to get started, using the seed "aerogale"
5. Finally, I'm choosing the mercs.
This is all going by general vote. If you got a problem with it, deal with it.
I want compensation...such as the 20 stacks of wool or the 25 points I stole over my time playing.
I have a question about point 1. Does that mean you're going to replace the cut players with other ones that are more active, or just lowering the player cap?
1. We mercs ARE NOT A TEAM. We live in a single base. That is all.
2. We sometimes work together. That is oaky.
3. We are independent most of the time. Hire us if you wish.
4. We are quite easily persuaded my points, since it's hard for us to get them otherwise.
Yes, there should be mercs as there is a way to do something after your faction has died out. There should only be two to start however (TrompeOeil and myself since we were the two originals). After that, allow faction less people to join only if their faction is truely gone.
B. Should we reset the map?
I don't care either way. I will be doing my thing and I don't have a base anyway.
C. Should we shuffle the factions? If so, should it be random?
You shuffle the factions but try to make them more equal. It doesn't matter how you do it so long as you do it.
B. Should we reset the map?: NO
C. Should we shuffle the factions? If so, should it be random?: NO
Faction: Technos
What you can contribute? (give me a good answer): I can contribute building knowledge and TNT knowledge to make weaponry and ships, and dedication.
Why you want to join? (give me a good answer): I want to join because flying around and fighting sounds like the MOST FUN concept ever. That and I'd like to work in a team.
Do you understand the rules/why they exist?: Yes, I understand them, and that they are in place to prevent griefers.
^&*
Still didn't get a response on this, reposted it from 2 pages ago.
B. Should we reset the map?: no. NO NONONONONONON NO NO!
C. Should we shuffle the factions? If so, should it be random?:Not random
B. Should we reset the map?: yes
C. Should we shuffle the factions? If so, should it be random?: yes and yes
B. Should we reset the map?: Yes.
C. Should we shuffle the factions? If so, should it be random?: Yes, No.
B. Should we reset the map?: No.
C. Should we shuffle the factions? If so, should it be random?: No.
First off and the most important point is WE NEED BETTER COMMUNICATION.
Hands down thats why there is all this stuff being thrown around and people just annoying the **** out of me..
2nd. Yes I said Annoying the **** out of me.
Guys Im here as a player. Yes I am admin and Im here for you if you have issues.. Im actually glad I can be able to offer you guys help if need be.
However, I Am also trying to play and sometimes Im the only player of my faction on at the time and will have people just asking 50 questions and getting pissed because I dont respond or say HEY give me a few Im busy atm.
Next up is I DO NOT GIVE OUT ITEMS... None dont even ask me or say well Cala does this or LAST TIME they would.... I dont care. I wasnt here last time and Im not Cala.... All I can go by is what I see from the OP / Rules. What can I give out? Your Faction's color wool... Thats it, nothing else because someone stole your stuff. Im sorry but Im not going to do it.
Also Last night There was a player who decided to argue with me for 20+ minutes over an non issue. If you have a problem with what I say then take it to tells. Dont go on and on saying YOUR WRONG!
If there is a Ruling question I come here to the OP and will repeat the rule word for word in game. That is what I go off of.
The main issue was Can I steal this players ship if they are off line... I was like sure since its not attacking thier base theft is ok...
Then it was questioned and I found out I was wrong, Ships and bases can ONLY be destroyed IF a player of that faction is on. If no one is on you cant do anything to their base / ships...
The other side is well that means that cant take out items from out chest...
YES THEY CAN.. If your chest is out in the open even WITHIN your base its open for grabs.
My personal base / Faction base has 4 chests hidden through out all the different levels of the base. Why is it hidden? Because I dont want it stolen!
Teleporting Players.... There is no rule saying what I can do or can not do with this. My stance is the following. IF FACTION player A wants to be teleported to FACTION player B because their base is under attack.. Too bad its not going to happen. If your both on the same faction then I have no problem with it.. If you are different factions I will ask the person your asking to be TPd to first. If they say no, then it wont happen.
I believe thats it for the rant.. Im sorry if this offends anyone Im sorry but I play this game too and not to be asked to hold your hand while you play. We are at war with each other.. It would actually be better for me NOT to help you out. But again thats not fair play.
So thats it for my 2 cents...
EDIT:
Btw guys, Another "grind my gears" is You all can not fix/repair the spawn. So that leaves it to the admins to come in and give it a try.
The other day I tried this and was cought off guard by a creeper who killed me.
3 people rushed my corpse and took my items. I know a few of them are items you shouldnt have yet like 5 stacks of obsidian or 64 stack of diamond picks etc etc...
I asked for the items to be returned and 2 of you ignored me, the only player to give things back was FailMineman. If I have this happen again I will be an ass and randomly teleport to you, ban you and steal your entire factions chest. Then come here and tell your faction why they lost their savings.
Well, I still seek to argue as I believe the mercs of this server are destroying the servers basic properties..
Heres the main thought of the merc debate...
Well I see you say they are not a faction, well okay they are they are not. This can all be debated but what is true is they are being reckless pvpers that just ravage the land. I mean really this was supposed to be a faction based pvp and i think everyone would agree its a war server not pvp ruthless only the ruthless pvp in war or ambushes that start war. Mercs say they are not a faction, they are not but in some ways they are. Look at it this way, They have a base and factions have one or more points and gain points in a point system which they have. They arn't factions when solo but when they are allowed to team up, they are a faction of ruthless beings that can just crush everything because certain rules don't apply to them. I say we need a solution we need barbarians!
Barbarians
Natives to the land of Aerogale they fought the first wars. they fought for many reasons tribes of the barbarians battled constant wars with each other, eventually they formed leagues, but some remained isolated the barbarians to this day are in tribes, or tribal leagues and continue to wage war across the land.
and cal this is a factionless faction your wasting management on, mercs they destroy the point of this server, have wanderers not mercs. have barbarians even. idc
Thank you for your opinion. It's appreciated you don't yell!
Anyway, I do have to agree that mercs ruin the core point. I'm voting for a low number of mercs (2 or 3), not allowed to band together. You CAN help people outside your faction though.
Possibly this, since I know trompe applied to be a merc.
You MUST be tied to a faction, by definition. But read on, since that's not my final judgement. You can choose to be more or less clingy to your faction. Less clingy people act as mercs, but still have a faction they can call home, and someone their targets can choose to blame.
That settles not wanting to be stuck to a faction, and the ability to "go nomad," like Trompe and Kamikaze want.
A. Should there be mercs? If yes, should there be a cap on them and how many?:
Yes, this allows players to try and prove they are Rambo ( Me VS the WORLD ) It gives players the ability to actually see who and what playstyle a faction has and not be the person who just wants to faction hop because (MY TEAM SUCKS.....)
A limit should be 1/3 of what the final cap per team is. so if team caps are 6 then Mercs should be two. If 12 then 4 etc etc... Too many mercs and everyone would want to be, limitting mercs will force them to choose carefully on who they join.
B. Should we reset the map?:
YES, Most definitely. Why?
Because you have people who know where the other factions are because thats where they was last time... You have factions who are using the same base they used last time because its easier (they know what it has in it and know its not a wasted effort. Plus Ive already seen people yell at each other saying hey this is so and so faction we had this last time you guys have to move!
I spent 20+ minutes going around looking for a base. I had 2 mob farms, a wheat farm and was building an obsidian farm when Gala used my home portal to get back to Aerogale.
Once I found this out I trashed the entire base and spent another hour looking for a base.
The 2nd one is 10x better than what I had. I can promise you that unless you saw one of our ships dock into the base the odds are you would completely fly past it and never even know.
Currently we have hit Bedrock in my mining tunnel and have close to 4+ stacks of diamond, over 8 gold blocks and enough redstone to last us the war.
Then we also have 3 mob (dungeon spawners) pits of Skels, Zombies, and Creepers. 2 Animal farms, 1 tree farm, and our own hydroponics wheat farm.
All of this with less than 3 days of map time? Granted I am on longer than 90% of you all but I've also been going at this solo allowing my members to work on the other main base set up.
So Yeah, change the map.
If we changed maps, I can set us up a map like the following.
LARGE SPAWN. Yes a new spawn that can be seen for a large distance.
Faction Buildings. This could be where your items are stored at the start of the map. I can go further and add portals to your base to help all over your members know where to go not just sit at spawn because they dont have a clue where to go.
Your Faction building could also be large enough to act as a Docking area for your ships. This would be for when your ship is bought with points and would be placed at your building to help show people that it is YOUR Ship. Not just another added player ship.
Lastly the other reason is that we currently have around 6-10 LOST ships on our map.. This is from people moving their ship and hitting a lag spike and the ship moving on but your not. Odds are you fall to your death and now have no idea where your ship is.
Most common cause for this is people just holding right click down while moving...
If your ship is larger than 10 total blocks, odds are high your going to lag the server doing this style of move. If you just quickly tap instead of holding it puts less "lag" and ensures you can get to your base with few map loads.
C. Should we shuffle the factions? If so, should it be random?:
Shuffling factions should be a no. If anything Place a cap and allow people to resign up for factions.
Player Cap of 5-7 members. Which would put us at 30-42 players + 3-10 for Mercs / unknown allowing us a buffer of 10-15 players to use as alts or replacements for teams who have a player stop showing up.
Odds are there is most to say, but I cant think of it at this time..
Okay. Regarding factiions:
1. I'm going to cut the whitelist down A LOT. If you haven't been on, you get cut.
2. Then I'm cutting Gallente.
3. Then I'm reassigning players. This will mostly be leftovers. WAIT FOR ME TO CONTACT YOU ABOUT CHANGING FACTION.
4. Then we're resetting the map. I'm going to get started, using the seed "aerogale"
5. Finally, I'm choosing the mercs.
This is all going by general vote. If you got a problem with it, deal with it.
I want compensation...such as the 20 stacks of wool or the 25 points I stole over my time playing.