As far as I know, nothing in Minecraft is officially named. Sure we all know the different objects in Minecraft and we've assigned them names, but where does it name them in the game? Sure, fences and doors are pretty obvious. But what's to stop me from calling "diamond ore," "bluestone ore" and "redstone ore," "bloodstone ore?"
Well, indeed, there is something that stops me from calling "diamond" "bluestone." It's the people I wish to communicate with. In order for the person I'm talking to, to be able to understand what I'm refering to, we both have to have a common concept of what the object is in our minds. If I wanted to conveige to you that my cat ran away today but said it as, "My dog ordered pizza last night" then we have a communication break-down.
A perfect example of the naming problem is currently in Minecraft. Some people call the blocks that spawn at the bottom 5 layers of the map, "bedrock." And others call it "adminimum." But both terms describe one object and most of us understand this. What happens if I were to add in a 3rd possibility without explaining myself? Nobody would know what I was talking about and since there already are established names for "bedrock," "adminimum," and "diamond" the community (or rather anyone else that plays Minecraft) probably wont accept my new term because we already have them!
Once Hell was named, it was too late. It became the default name for the realm just about everyone's minds. Just like any other object in the game. It'll be interesting to watch this play out with "Australium" because PC Gamer was the first to name it. Will it change after the 31st or will the name stick? Once a name is established, though, good luck changing it again.
The various features are officially named by Notch. Updates and patch notes will refer to them by their proper names. Adminium is a special case of slang that existed before we found out the official name.
I have to agree with Umbristopheles here.
Even the people ranting against calling it "Hell" are referring to it as "Hell".
It's already rooted, and not likely to change, unless someone starts an epic meme that refers to it in a different way.
I can see why Notch doesn't want to officially call it Hell, what with crazies taking it out of context. On the other hand, Doom 3 refers to Hell as Hell all the time, verbally, in game. And you go there. And there's pentagrams.
Doom3 is an adult-rated blood soaked game with a hell invasion and hell as its central theme where most of the enemies are demonic creatures from hell. Minecraft isn't.
Thats true, but whats the point? Doom3 is rated M for violence, not because they call Hell Hell
Doom Hell (the whole series, not just 3) is supposed to actually be, well, Hell. Not an approximate flamey and dangerous place like a forum; in Doom you're literally going to Hell. Minecraft doesn't have that place, it's a different thing.
On topic, what Notch calls it is its real name, regardless of the moniker it picks up from the community. Yes, most folks will still refer to it as hell, but that doesn't mean its driver's licence will say "I M Hell". Like if your real name is Frank but all your buddies call you Sparky.
Also WOOBY DOOBY LAND!
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Honestly, anyone who acts like they care if it's called hell is probably trolling, or probably wouldn't play Minecraft in the first place.
Cave Story: well known indie game. Final area of the game? Hell.
La-Mulana: another indie game. Secret final temple? Hell Temple.
Dwarf Fortress: Do I even need to repeat myself?
What do all these games have in common? No one gives a damn that there is a part of the game called hell.
Obviously the only argument against it that holds any water is the fact is so overused. That said, the most common suggested alternatives (Hades and Underworld) are equally overused.
As to you CobraA1, you obviously didn't understand the OP. He is saying that it doesn't matter if Notch calls it the Underworld or Happy Fun Super Joy Land. Most people call it Hell now, and people are stubborn. I know I'll probably keep calling it Hell, although calling it Wooby Dooby Land is tempting.
I think some of you misunderstand, I don't think notch's main concern is offending religious folk, but rather to avoid already established mythology. "Hell" originated from earth mythology, I think notch would rather create his own world entirely. If you've ever read a fantasy novel, they usually won't use actual, real world mythology because it takes away from immersion and seems unprofessional.
At least that's what I gathered from notch's twitter statement:
PlataniumR: "Screw people overly sensitive about their religion! Keep it named Hell World! Developers need to stop making games so [politically correct]"
Notch: "I agree with you, but I also want to avoid using christian mythology.. I want it too feel fantasy!" (Oct 22, 2010)
Besides, the religious Hell is often portrayed very differently from notch's Hell, and in my mind the name doesn't fit that well, if at all.
Zourath's earlier post about Hell being overused also applies, but despite this, people will probably keep nicknaming it Hell and that's not a problem, of course. I doubt anyone is actually offended.
this is a good topic to think about. once a name sets in, it sticks, and changing it is near impossible. but thats nt why i posted. a little off topic but umbris uve been bringing up some intresting points and oppinions on this part of the forum, which brings up interesting conversations, and i commend you for that.
bluestone for u :tongue.gif:
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