It wouldn't be so much of an issue if the Hellish land Notch created didn't so closely resemble the Christian depiction of Hell. I think that's the main issue, the two can be described with words far too similar to be comfortable.
Except it's not.
The fire-and-brimstone hell wasn't in the bible, it was a picture popularised by...some people much later.
Popular Christian Hell is a place where the damned are eternally tormented by demons, and Satan sits frozen in the ninth circle chomping on Judas' head.
Minecraft Hell is an alternate dimension which allows for fast travel and has floating jellyfish.
I don't think they're too similar at all, do you? Never once did I involve my personal beliefs, but on that topic I too am an atheist. In regards to their similarities: Note that I mentioned descriptions. Both the Minecraftian hell and the Christian hell (that most people imagine, I won't get into how different people interpret it... some people don't read the bible, and don't know anything of the circles) are places of brimstone, fire, death, and are both generally places you do not want to be. They are similar, for most intents and purposes, and I can assure you that the Hell notch created for Minecraft had some basis in the Christian hell.
Also, atheism isn't a religion, it's a lack of belief in religion.
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Nope, its not the main issue, or people wouldn't ask him to rename it so much. HOOOOOLLLLLDD ON.... your a wiki sponsor... are you serious? you mean you didn't know this....
But it is the main issue, if Notch had created a fast travel world that looked nothing like hell, say for example a sort of magical rainforest through which you could fast-travel, then there would be no issue. But as is Notch seems to have based the Minecraft hell on the Popularized Christian hell.
Also, bringing forum rank into this discussion is a mature and completely relevant argument.
I like it being called hell, but, now that I think about it, calling it hell promote religion too much. I'm an atheist and think that hell should be called something like, the lost world. We don't need our children who have no religion and are justified by not being fed the Santa Claus speech as children, calling something so religion related.
Hell should be whatever the hell Notch wants to call it, cause it's his game. If you're honestly offended enough by it to not play the game, then don't. I'm willing to bet that if it comes out as Hell, none of the people complaining are going to stop playing Minecraft over it. And if they do, their loss, they paid for the game.
People are too sensitive nowadays.
I don't really see the relevance of religion to this. It's a damn video game. The DMC series, Doom, Quake, Diablo, God of War, etc must all be horribly offensive games because they reference something religious. The use of Hell in those games was even far more blatant than what's going on in Minecraft.
I think it should be association free (or as free as possible) unless the associations are to do directly with Minecraft. By that I mean it should not be called Hell, because hell carries a lot of connotations (not just religious ones) and means lots of things to lots of people, so does Hades, the Abyss, Valhalla, whatever. All these names carry baggage and an expectation with them. If Notch either makes up his own word or uses something like "Other World" then it doesn't come with any pre-existing notions and we are free to shape it appropriately for ourselves.
I have a brilliant idea. If you don't want the new dimension to have pre-existing notions, don't form any. Do whatever you want with it. Why does the name even matter?
It is one of the most hilarious examples I have ever seen of an excuse for trolling.
It is because of people like this that we atheists get a bad name.
I'm here to post for my self, do not care what others think of what I say.
I'm angry how my parents raised me in a "Christian" family, telling my to spend a boring hour in church every week. I realised there's no with a white beard in the sky, playing us like a Sims game. I'm not a theist or an atheist, I am open minded. In the end, what science proves is true.
I'm here to post for my self, do not care what others think of what I say.
I'm angry how my parents raised me in a "Christian" family, telling my to spend a boring hour in church every week. I realised there's no with a white beard in the sky, playing us like a Sims game. I'm not a theist or an atheist, I am open minded. In the end, what science proves is true.
I like it being called hell, but, now that I think about it, calling it hell promote religion too much. I'm an atheist and think that hell should be called something like, the lost world. We don't need our children who have no religion and are justified by not being fed the Santa Claus speech as children, calling something so religion related.
Fag. Being an atheist, you wouldn't care because hell doesn't exist anyway right? **** off
Right, I have had it up to here with you. You're not a funny troll. You've giving the rest of us a bad name, and that joke was neither funny nor respectful. Starting flame wars because you feel like it is not cool, either.
I'm reporting all of your posts and requesting that you take a time out from this forum indefinitely.
tl;dr go **** yourself.
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It is one of the most hilarious examples I have ever seen of an excuse for trolling.
It is because of people like this that we atheists get a bad name.
+1 for bringing this PM out; now we know for sure the OP is retarded
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Well this is just me but... Water moats are so wet and dirty and annoying.... Real men make moats of liquid hellfire forged in the bowels of the earth and torn from the teat of the unholy adminium. Real MANLY Men create a LAVAFALL of death.
But it is the main issue, if Notch had created a fast travel world that looked nothing like hell, say for example a sort of magical rainforest through which you could fast-travel, then there would be no issue. But as is Notch seems to have based the Minecraft hell on the Popularized Christian hell.
Also, bringing forum rank into this discussion is a mature and completely relevant argument.
It is one of the most hilarious examples I have ever seen of an excuse for trolling.
It is because of people like this that we atheists get a bad name.
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I'm an atheist too, and I don't give a ****.
People are too sensitive nowadays.
I don't really see the relevance of religion to this. It's a damn video game. The DMC series, Doom, Quake, Diablo, God of War, etc must all be horribly offensive games because they reference something religious. The use of Hell in those games was even far more blatant than what's going on in Minecraft.
I have a brilliant idea. If you don't want the new dimension to have pre-existing notions, don't form any. Do whatever you want with it. Why does the name even matter?
D'oh.
well, just as we expected, he's a douche.
And I fail to see how he thinks he's won. The majority of the people who were offended were other Atheists...:tongue.gif:
Excuse my language, but LOLZ.
I'm here to post for my self, do not care what others think of what I say.
I'm angry how my parents raised me in a "Christian" family, telling my to spend a boring hour in church every week. I realised there's no with a white beard in the sky, playing us like a Sims game. I'm not a theist or an atheist, I am open minded. In the end, what science proves is true.
Good speech sir, I approve 100%
Because that's totally what Christianity is all about...
Fag. Being an atheist, you wouldn't care because hell doesn't exist anyway right? **** off
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Not so fast with your edited pictures...
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lol wat
Right, I have had it up to here with you. You're not a funny troll. You've giving the rest of us a bad name, and that joke was neither funny nor respectful. Starting flame wars because you feel like it is not cool, either.
I'm reporting all of your posts and requesting that you take a time out from this forum indefinitely.
tl;dr go **** yourself.
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Both of you are the stupidz. I too vote for a lock.
+1 for bringing this PM out; now we know for sure the OP is retarded
Hell in general: red place with lots of fire and lava and bad creatures
Hell in minecraft: red place with lots of fire and lava and bad creatures
accurate name, derp
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Gimme
Volcano: Red place with lots of fire and lava and bad creatures
Fire Temple: Red place with lots of fire and lava and bad creatures
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