The difference between faith in the scientific method, and faith in god, is that one requires testing. (we refer to this as validity) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Validity
You know how I know validity is a good concept?
I test it. All the time. daily. And it works. In ways that can be observed by a group, any group, just by them seeing it or doing the same tests as me. It's CONSISTENT.
The fact that you didn't already understand that is just proving my point.
Also, if you just compared belief in Abraham Lincoln to belief in God, I think you're gonna have to do WAY better to convince me that Christians are NOT retarded by definition. Your attempts are backfiring and just proving my point.
Also, it's impossible to have a historical evidence of a metaphysical thing.
I take it you still don't know what metaphysical means?
The difference between faith in the scientific method, and faith in god, is that one requires testing.
The fact that you didn't already understand that is just proving my point.
Also, if you just compared belief in Abraham Lincoln to belief in God, I think you're gonna have to do WAY better to convince me that Christians are NOT retarded by definition. Your attempts are backfiring and just proving my point.
Also, it's impossible to have a historical evidence of a metaphysical thing.
I take it you still don't know what metaphysical means?
Why are they mutually exclusive? Religion and faith aren't the only things done without logical basis. Love, fighting impossible to win battles, etc. Humanity is rife with things that don't make a damn bit of sense, even if you discount religion. It's just as bad as saying you think less of their logical ability because they would sacrifice their life for another. Seriously, you are either trying to justify your prejudice at this point, or you are just plain wrong.
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Nature should really stop catering to all these furries! I mean, do we REALLY need two kinds of elephant? Puh-leaze.
The difference between faith in the scientific method, and faith in god, is that one requires testing.
The fact that you didn't already understand that is just proving my point.
Also, if you just compared belief in Abraham Lincoln to belief in God, I think you're gonna have to do WAY better to convince me that Christians are NOT retarded by definition. Your attempts are backfiring and just proving my point.
Also, it's impossible to have a historical evidence of a metaphysical thing.
I take it you still don't know what metaphysical means?
1) Yes I know what metaphysical means. It is very possible to have historical evidence of a metaphysical being
2) There is nothing wrong with my example. Think about it again, and you'll understand
3) Ads I already said, this is a pointless discussion. Henceforth, I'm not going to respond to your posts. If you really want to have a discussion about this (which, judging by your deliberately "flame-war" tone, you don't), you can PM me. Otherwise, drop it.
The difference between faith in the scientific method, and faith in god, is that one requires testing.
The fact that you didn't already understand that is just proving my point.
Also, if you just compared belief in Abraham Lincoln to belief in God, I think you're gonna have to do WAY better to convince me that Christians are NOT retarded by definition. Your attempts are backfiring and just proving my point.
Also, it's impossible to have a historical evidence of a metaphysical thing.
I take it you still don't know what metaphysical means?
Why are they mutually exclusive? Religion and faith aren't the only things done without logical basis. Love, fighting impossible to win battles, etc. Humanity is rife with things that don't make a damn bit of sense, even if you discount religion. It's just as bad as saying you think less of their logical ability because they would sacrifice their life for another. Seriously, you are either trying to justify your prejudice at this point, or you are just plain wrong.
even though I agree, I am again going to advise you to just drop the subject. Nothing good ever comes out of these arguments, especially considering how antagonistic he's being.
even though I agree, I am again going to advise you to just drop the subject. Nothing good ever comes out of these arguments, especially considering how antagonistic he's being.
Yeah, you are probably right. I don't think anybody would make him change his mind.
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Nature should really stop catering to all these furries! I mean, do we REALLY need two kinds of elephant? Puh-leaze.
my point remains.
people that dont agree with me are likely not going to agree, because they are not logical.
its one of those 'too dumb to realize youre dumb' things.
- Discrimination against the age, race, gender, religion, ethnicity, nationality, or sexual orientation of another member.
My bad.
I apologize.
Well, I guess you win this one, I'm not allowed to discredit your beliefs, but you're allowed to discredit mine.
wtf.
name calling doesnt cange the fact the my beliefs, part of my 'religion' you might call it, is that christians are logicnoobs.
But im not allowed to talk about it.
It's discriminatory! That's what it is! It doesn't matter if you "justify" it, it's still discriminatory.
saying that i enjoy the taste of chocolate over vanilla icecream is discriminatory too.
who gives a ****.
"Discrimination is a sociological term referring to the treatment taken toward or against an individual of a certain group in consideration based solely on class or category"
Which means, if a whole group of people believe that they are made of laser wizards invented by Einstein in 35 million BC, and i think that people who believe that are dumb, or crazy, I am DISCRIMINATING.
Just because something is discriminatory, doesn't mean it is wrong.
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Why even try to discuss anything with these "logicnoobs", if you dont even belive they have the capacity to understand, just keep your mouth shut, and keep everyone happy, right now you are nothing but a troll.
Besides, sumerians were aliens who granted jesus his powers, obviously :tongue.gif:.
Well, no, I'm not a troll, but I am definitely retarded for bothering.
1) You're jumping to conclusions. Christians believe in a metaphysical being because of historically verifiable evidence, not just because of feelings.
I'm pretty amazed, if there is 'verifiable evidence' why all the fighting? What 'verifiable evidence' do you speak of?
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2) Many things that we all believe cannot be proven by the scientific method. For instance, do you believe that Abraham Lincoln existed? Why?
DNA.
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You can't prove it scientifically, you can only surmise it based on historical evidence. That's faith.
If there's evidence, then its fact, not faith - no matter how old it is.
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Or, do you believe your parents love you? How do you know? You can't prove that scientifically.
Emotions of any sort are both physical and testable. You can squeeze your eyes shut and scream 'you can't prove it' all you want, it doesn't make it true.
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3) Science and faith are inherently connected, not disconnected, or the simple reason that believing that science can prove ANYTHING requires faith in the scientific method. How do you know the universe actually functions in predictable ways? Perhaps all the seeming logic that we've observed is just luck. How do you know anything exists period? You are putting faith in your own very fallible senses, which is arguably just as illogical as what you accuse Christians of doing.
Yes and we could all be living in the Matrix. Your statement about science being faith based is just as illogical here too.
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4) We both know that we aren't going to convince the other of anything.
That is a common problem when dealing with people who communicate with a machine who's very existence is based on scientific knowledge, and then turn around and say that science might just be 'luck'.
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The basic point still stands that what 'i <3 mc' said was stupid, juvenile, and uncalled for.
That may be true, I happened to get a good giggle out of it, but he has every right to think that way, just like you have the right to believe in 1 of a 1000 gods.
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Whether it had "meaning" to anyone else is irrelevant. I could say something like "all blacks are stupid monkeys that don't deserve anything more than slavery," and someone on here might agree with me, but that doesn't change the fact that it's offensive and uncalled for.
unconcerned.
The difference between faith in the scientific method, and faith in god, is that one requires testing. (we refer to this as validity)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Validity
You know how I know validity is a good concept?
I test it. All the time. daily. And it works. In ways that can be observed by a group, any group, just by them seeing it or doing the same tests as me. It's CONSISTENT.
The fact that you didn't already understand that is just proving my point.
Also, if you just compared belief in Abraham Lincoln to belief in God, I think you're gonna have to do WAY better to convince me that Christians are NOT retarded by definition. Your attempts are backfiring and just proving my point.
Also, it's impossible to have a historical evidence of a metaphysical thing.
I take it you still don't know what metaphysical means?
http://notch.tumblr.com/post/123343045/my-vision-for-survival (follow this link if you need proof)
Why are they mutually exclusive? Religion and faith aren't the only things done without logical basis. Love, fighting impossible to win battles, etc. Humanity is rife with things that don't make a damn bit of sense, even if you discount religion. It's just as bad as saying you think less of their logical ability because they would sacrifice their life for another. Seriously, you are either trying to justify your prejudice at this point, or you are just plain wrong.
1) Yes I know what metaphysical means. It is very possible to have historical evidence of a metaphysical being
2) There is nothing wrong with my example. Think about it again, and you'll understand
3) Ads I already said, this is a pointless discussion. Henceforth, I'm not going to respond to your posts. If you really want to have a discussion about this (which, judging by your deliberately "flame-war" tone, you don't), you can PM me. Otherwise, drop it.
even though I agree, I am again going to advise you to just drop the subject. Nothing good ever comes out of these arguments, especially considering how antagonistic he's being.
Yeah, you are probably right. I don't think anybody would make him change his mind.
people that dont agree with me are likely not going to agree, because they are not logical.
its one of those 'too dumb to realize youre dumb' things.
My bad.
I apologize.
Well, I guess you win this one, I'm not allowed to discredit your beliefs, but you're allowed to discredit mine.
wtf.
http://notch.tumblr.com/post/123343045/my-vision-for-survival (follow this link if you need proof)
We're not "discrediting" your damn beliefs. We're discrediting your assholery.
name calling doesnt cange the fact the my beliefs, part of my 'religion' you might call it, is that christians are logicnoobs.
But im not allowed to talk about it.
http://notch.tumblr.com/post/123343045/my-vision-for-survival (follow this link if you need proof)
warned.
saying that i enjoy the taste of chocolate over vanilla icecream is discriminatory too.
who gives a ****.
"Discrimination is a sociological term referring to the treatment taken toward or against an individual of a certain group in consideration based solely on class or category"
Which means, if a whole group of people believe that they are made of laser wizards invented by Einstein in 35 million BC, and i think that people who believe that are dumb, or crazy, I am DISCRIMINATING.
Just because something is discriminatory, doesn't mean it is wrong.
Well, no, I'm not a troll, but I am definitely retarded for bothering.
QFT.
http://notch.tumblr.com/post/123343045/my-vision-for-survival (follow this link if you need proof)
MINECRAFT FACTS: BIG LIST OF WHAT NOTCH HAS ACTUALLY SAID ABOUT THE PLANNED FEATURES OF MINECRAFT
I agree.
My fault.
I got over-enthusiastic.
I take full blame, I just got bothered by the mod regulating opinions.
:sad.gif:
http://notch.tumblr.com/post/123343045/my-vision-for-survival (follow this link if you need proof)
I agree, otherwise it's discriminatory.
http://notch.tumblr.com/post/123343045/my-vision-for-survival (follow this link if you need proof)
I understand, and I agree with you, partially, being an atheist myself and knowing how one-way these things usually are.
But this is a Minecraft forum, and this is a thread about the name of a gameplay element. It's just not the place.
MINECRAFT FACTS: BIG LIST OF WHAT NOTCH HAS ACTUALLY SAID ABOUT THE PLANNED FEATURES OF MINECRAFT
Whatever hoodly doodly dingle flops will be called, it looks awesome nonetheless.
I'm pretty amazed, if there is 'verifiable evidence' why all the fighting? What 'verifiable evidence' do you speak of?
DNA.
If there's evidence, then its fact, not faith - no matter how old it is.
Emotions of any sort are both physical and testable. You can squeeze your eyes shut and scream 'you can't prove it' all you want, it doesn't make it true.
Yes and we could all be living in the Matrix. Your statement about science being faith based is just as illogical here too.
That is a common problem when dealing with people who communicate with a machine who's very existence is based on scientific knowledge, and then turn around and say that science might just be 'luck'.
That may be true, I happened to get a good giggle out of it, but he has every right to think that way, just like you have the right to believe in 1 of a 1000 gods.
You couldn't have made a worse case for yourself.