I could have a seizure and accidentally walk my character into lava.
Notch should make lava not harm you.
I could lose power and forget what I was doing in Minecraft.
Notch should make it remind you of the last things you were working on.
I could be drafted into the service, be stuck doing two tours, end up in the hospital due to shrapnel embedding itself in me, spend four weeks in physical therapy, fall in love with my nurse, get married, have four kids, and lose years of Minecraft time.
Notch shouldn't update unless I can play so I don't end up out of the loop.
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Is it really that hard to make sure you're aiming at the torch? I mean, really?
I think all the haters here are being a little ridonkulous. The hit box is tiny, and if you prefer the look of a wooden house to a stone one (and you're relatively early on in the game so you can't afford to make lanterns) it could be an issue. Especially since if you play the game enough, you would not take a lot of time to light up a torch. They go out all the time. Switch, light, move on.
If you tell me you've never misclicked in ANY video game EVER, I will laugh at you hard.
I think the solution would be that if you right click on a wooden wall with a torch on it, it'll just default to lighting the torch.
I think all the haters here are being a little ridonkulous. The hit box is tiny, and if you prefer the look of a wooden house to a stone one (and you're relatively early on in the game so you can't afford to make lanterns) it could be an issue. Especially since if you play the game enough, you would not take a lot of time to light up a torch. They go out all the time. Switch, light, move on.
If you tell me you've never misclicked in ANY video game EVER, I will laugh at you hard.
I think the solution would be that if you right click on a wooden wall with a torch on it, it'll just default to lighting the torch.
I agree, that would be a good game mechanic. It still leaves the opportunity to misclick, but only if you're an idiot. Which i doubt.
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People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones; people who live in tinderboxes shouldn't throw incendiaries. If you must have a wooden house, and you're a really bad shot with the mouse, light your house with lanterns. Otherwise use dirt, sand, or stone for your torchlit home.
I also wonder if fire might be less of a risk in the new version. Biomes may rain, which may put out fire, things like that. We won't know until November.
You had a limerick going with your second and third sentences there :tongue.gif:.
And yeah, I can understand that wood must be an appealing thing to make a house out of. I guess if you're gonna do that, and not have lanterns, you better be sure your aim is good! Otherwise you're gonna be in trouble, lol. I'd say place your torches on a block of unburnable substance until you get lanterns, as I believe someone else said.
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"Sometimes people have so much stupid in their head they have to make space by allowing especially stupid things to fall out of thier mouths in a geyser of dumb."
Personally, as a new player, I never built a house of wood. I went from dirt for my first hut to stone. Wood is all spread out and generally takes longer to gather. Dirt and stone can be gathered in a straight line... Therefore my natural progression was from dirt to stone. Wood was only ever a material for crafting tools. Therefore I've never had the danger of burning my house down :smile.gif:
There's a reason why, historically, wooden ships didn't use torches too often. Just make sure that your torch is mounted to a stone or dirt pillar- problem solved.
People build houses out of wood? Why? Stone is stronger and not flammable. In survival mode, construction material is a strategic decision, and I see no reason to use an inferior material. If you insist on using wood to build, its flammability is a strategic drawback and should stay that way.
Personally, I just live underground, dwarf-style. I don't see why so many people build everything on the surface.
I understand the many 'then you must be an idiot' posts, because that's what general public now immediately think of when they hear something that to them sounds stupid.
But what I am amazed about is that no one mentioned LAG.
(Let me first mention, though, that even if your hands shake or you have bad aim.. is it possible to aim and then let go of the mouse and then hit the button? I am not sure, as my hands don't shake, but this seems at least partially viable. Also, this would give you a moment to make sure the hitbox is what's selected. Granted, this is not viable when needing to relight many at once because of omgitsdark - but that just means light them earlier, light them sporadically so that not all go out at once, or go lanterns for inside permamant structures)
Possibility: If one takes into consideration lag, and needs to relight torches - sure you can hit the block correctly.. but either it doesn't take, or it takes and then goes back out (like blocks resettting), and you have to try and relight it again, quicker this time, because you're getting impatient/it's getting darker/you're beginning to panic.
There were actually some nice ideas in here inbetween all the insults and name-calling and unconstructive posts. My personal favorite was immediate light click for torches,and hold-down click for burning anything else similar to mining.
Do I use wood for building? Actually, no. When I start, I carve a hole inside a cliff (usually dirt, or dirt/stone). When I build a structure not within a mountainside, I use the stone that I have amassed from mining while looking for other materials. I tend to save my wood for fences, sticks-for-torches, storage chests, etc.
If torches were flammable, (and I built out of wood) I'd set up a one-stone pillar or one-dirt pillar up around my house away from the walls, and put the torches there. Or i'd have stone/dirt as corners and place torches that way (could look odd from outside point unless done right) Heck, if lanterns don't have glass, they could be flammable too.
(And since I haven't searched successfully yet, do we know how long torches will last before need relighting yet?)
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why is this thread still alive, we settled this issue along time ago, look if you get pushed by some animal and mis your torch, and your palsy somehow keeps you from stamping out the flame before your house burns down you should probably not be playing this game. You are not entitled to be an unobservant idiot and not suffer the consequences.
When the torches go out, we use a flint and steel to relight them. Fine. But suppose your house is made of wood, and you miss the torch when you try to relight it. What happens then?
Just my two cents.
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Torch-whiners must think lanterns are going to be made of diamond or something. Just replace the frickin' torches with something better. You won't even need that many lanterns because they're going to be brighter than torches.
I had heard the opposite, that torches were brighter, but it wasn't validated.
This is a real concern, guys. The hitbox of a torch isn't very big, and depending on what the lantern recipe is, you may not have any lanterns for a while. I can see it being an easy mistake to make.
notch reposinding to "will all torches in game be replaced with lanterns", the answer is yes. if you are diligent, you can start the new post update world with hundreds or thousands of lanterns
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I think some of the arguing in this thread is pretty lame, but agree with the general sentiment of "tough".
I just made an 11x8x6 lava tank because I wanted some diamonds I could see near a big lava pool and thought it'd be convenient to have a buttload of lava on the surface. Lava buckets are incredibly dangerous tools, but I managed to make the > 50 trips with my 8 buckets safe and sound because I followed a simple discipline: I treated buckets like a loaded gun and only had one selected if it was pointed at lava or somewhere I wanted lava. It probably added 20 minutes to the endeavor since I spent a good deal of time switching tools, but it would have cost me far more time to misplace the lava and vaporize my 8 buckets.
My point? Some things are just dangerous. The right way to handle them is not to ask Notch to put safety bumpers on them; it's to have some discipline. Ideally, you should use a light source that doesn't require fire (like a lantern) in your flammable house. If you decide that for aesthetic reasons you need a torch, that's fine. But you need to be prepared to exercise some caution. Clear the room of mobs before re-lighting. Double-check the hitbox. Consider knocking the torch off the wall and just replacing it with a pre-lit torch (if that's possible.) Follow these steps and it's very unlikely you'll have mishaps.
The lame arguments in this thread:
[*:308tzaxa]"Don't build with wood n00b". Screw you if you made this argument. Wood's a material that looks nice, and using a single material for building can lead to some poor aesthetics. Maybe you only care about the utilitarian function of your buildings, but your playstyle isn't the only valid playstyle.
[*:308tzaxa]"Who are you, Michael J Fox? If you can't light a torch you must be disabled, don't play this game noob." I shouldn't be surprised about this, but screw you *and* your mom if you made this argument. People with disabilities already have to make a ton of sacrifices, it's stupid and short-sighted to belittle them for something they can't control. I'm sure you're enjoying being a big internet tough guy but there's reasons why you might miss a torch with fire other than having a disability.
I'm sure all you guys build only with your legit obsidian and never misplace a block. All of you have perfect reflexes and motor control honed from being the only person in the world to never be killed in various FPS games, and you have a skillful "STFU" response planned for anyone that asks how more than one person can be undefeated. By day you create unmatched masterpieces in Minecraft, and by night you are occupied with your harem of beautiful women. So wtf are you doing posting lame jabs in a thread on some forum instead of participating in all the awesome activities that make up your life?
Seriously, I'm not even sure why it's a debate. Playing with fire near wood has always been a dangerous activity in Minecraft; that's the appropriate answer to this "concern". Insults and bravado are just postcount++.
Notch should make lava not harm you.
I could lose power and forget what I was doing in Minecraft.
Notch should make it remind you of the last things you were working on.
I could be drafted into the service, be stuck doing two tours, end up in the hospital due to shrapnel embedding itself in me, spend four weeks in physical therapy, fall in love with my nurse, get married, have four kids, and lose years of Minecraft time.
Notch shouldn't update unless I can play so I don't end up out of the loop.
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Is it really that hard to make sure you're aiming at the torch? I mean, really?
If you tell me you've never misclicked in ANY video game EVER, I will laugh at you hard.
I think the solution would be that if you right click on a wooden wall with a torch on it, it'll just default to lighting the torch.
Step 1: Falcon punch the burning block.
Step 2: You're done. House saved. Yay4U.
I agree, that would be a good game mechanic. It still leaves the opportunity to misclick, but only if you're an idiot. Which i doubt.
You had a limerick going with your second and third sentences there :tongue.gif:.
And yeah, I can understand that wood must be an appealing thing to make a house out of. I guess if you're gonna do that, and not have lanterns, you better be sure your aim is good! Otherwise you're gonna be in trouble, lol. I'd say place your torches on a block of unburnable substance until you get lanterns, as I believe someone else said.
"Sometimes people have so much stupid in their head they have to make space by allowing especially stupid things to fall out of thier mouths in a geyser of dumb."
Scansion's off.
If you must have a house of wood
It must be understood
It's dry as a bone
So build with stone
By the love of all that's good!
In a wooden home?
Option 1: To re-light a torch you only need to possess a Flint & Steel in your inventory, not in hand.
Option 2: To re-light a torch with Flint & Steel in hand you left-click it.
Option 3: Flint & Steel's normal "set fire" action is changed to a left-click, which actually makes sense because it's a "weapon" of sorts.
I favour option 3.
I make the Artifact mod.
Personally, I just live underground, dwarf-style. I don't see why so many people build everything on the surface.
But what I am amazed about is that no one mentioned LAG.
(Let me first mention, though, that even if your hands shake or you have bad aim.. is it possible to aim and then let go of the mouse and then hit the button? I am not sure, as my hands don't shake, but this seems at least partially viable. Also, this would give you a moment to make sure the hitbox is what's selected. Granted, this is not viable when needing to relight many at once because of omgitsdark - but that just means light them earlier, light them sporadically so that not all go out at once, or go lanterns for inside permamant structures)
Possibility: If one takes into consideration lag, and needs to relight torches - sure you can hit the block correctly.. but either it doesn't take, or it takes and then goes back out (like blocks resettting), and you have to try and relight it again, quicker this time, because you're getting impatient/it's getting darker/you're beginning to panic.
There were actually some nice ideas in here inbetween all the insults and name-calling and unconstructive posts. My personal favorite was immediate light click for torches,and hold-down click for burning anything else similar to mining.
Do I use wood for building? Actually, no. When I start, I carve a hole inside a cliff (usually dirt, or dirt/stone). When I build a structure not within a mountainside, I use the stone that I have amassed from mining while looking for other materials. I tend to save my wood for fences, sticks-for-torches, storage chests, etc.
If torches were flammable, (and I built out of wood) I'd set up a one-stone pillar or one-dirt pillar up around my house away from the walls, and put the torches there. Or i'd have stone/dirt as corners and place torches that way (could look odd from outside point unless done right) Heck, if lanterns don't have glass, they could be flammable too.
(And since I haven't searched successfully yet, do we know how long torches will last before need relighting yet?)
friend - "Don't do it! Crime doesn't pay!"
me - "So? I'm not doing it for the money."
Somebody never read the story of the Three Little Piggies :biggrin.gif:
I had heard the opposite, that torches were brighter, but it wasn't validated.
THIS
http://twitter.com/notch/status/26452357146
notch reposinding to "will all torches in game be replaced with lanterns", the answer is yes. if you are diligent, you can start the new post update world with hundreds or thousands of lanterns
Equ1N0X-RedStone Engineer and Cybernetic architect.
I just made an 11x8x6 lava tank because I wanted some diamonds I could see near a big lava pool and thought it'd be convenient to have a buttload of lava on the surface. Lava buckets are incredibly dangerous tools, but I managed to make the > 50 trips with my 8 buckets safe and sound because I followed a simple discipline: I treated buckets like a loaded gun and only had one selected if it was pointed at lava or somewhere I wanted lava. It probably added 20 minutes to the endeavor since I spent a good deal of time switching tools, but it would have cost me far more time to misplace the lava and vaporize my 8 buckets.
My point? Some things are just dangerous. The right way to handle them is not to ask Notch to put safety bumpers on them; it's to have some discipline. Ideally, you should use a light source that doesn't require fire (like a lantern) in your flammable house. If you decide that for aesthetic reasons you need a torch, that's fine. But you need to be prepared to exercise some caution. Clear the room of mobs before re-lighting. Double-check the hitbox. Consider knocking the torch off the wall and just replacing it with a pre-lit torch (if that's possible.) Follow these steps and it's very unlikely you'll have mishaps.
The lame arguments in this thread:
[*:308tzaxa]"Don't build with wood n00b". Screw you if you made this argument. Wood's a material that looks nice, and using a single material for building can lead to some poor aesthetics. Maybe you only care about the utilitarian function of your buildings, but your playstyle isn't the only valid playstyle.
I'm sure all you guys build only with your legit obsidian and never misplace a block. All of you have perfect reflexes and motor control honed from being the only person in the world to never be killed in various FPS games, and you have a skillful "STFU" response planned for anyone that asks how more than one person can be undefeated. By day you create unmatched masterpieces in Minecraft, and by night you are occupied with your harem of beautiful women. So wtf are you doing posting lame jabs in a thread on some forum instead of participating in all the awesome activities that make up your life?[*:308tzaxa]"Who are you, Michael J Fox? If you can't light a torch you must be disabled, don't play this game noob." I shouldn't be surprised about this, but screw you *and* your mom if you made this argument. People with disabilities already have to make a ton of sacrifices, it's stupid and short-sighted to belittle them for something they can't control. I'm sure you're enjoying being a big internet tough guy but there's reasons why you might miss a torch with fire other than having a disability.
Seriously, I'm not even sure why it's a debate. Playing with fire near wood has always been a dangerous activity in Minecraft; that's the appropriate answer to this "concern". Insults and bravado are just postcount++.