And the other problem is the default textures. We keep having these vanilla threads with only the glass specks erased or one thing changed which people not only call a texture pack, but they also have the nerve to put it on adf.ly. It should be mentioned in #8 that vanilla edits are not welcomed either.
A few times i've even seen people posting UNCHANGED default here.
If people are posting largely default under adf.ly, I'm sure that breaks the rules of "Adf.ly Abuse" - you are posting what is largely someone else's work under an adf.ly link.
I'm sure if we took the rule completely literally, any use of adf.ly on any texture pack that has at least one default texture would be infringing, but mods have room for interpretation
But yeah, if they have like 2 textures, and put it under adf.ly, then that's very annoying and probably counts as adf.ly abuse :/
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If people are posting largely default under adf.ly, I'm sure that breaks the rules of "Adf.ly Abuse" - you are posting what is largely someone else's work under an adf.ly link.
I'm sure if we took the rule completely literally, any use of adf.ly on any texture pack that has at least one default texture would be infringing, but mods have room for interpretation
But yeah, if they have like 2 textures, and put it under adf.ly, then that's very annoying and probably counts as adf.ly abuse :/
I wasn't aware there was a rule on adf.ly abuse. Where is it listed, and should I put it in the guidelines?
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I think that X-ray packs and minor edits be banned from the site, I know they are on PMC, so why not here?
Because PMC has a much larger flood of those texture packs than we ever do, which is why they have had to take such drastic measures.
We do not discriminate against threads because of the content they contain.
It is not our job to make sure all texture packs are what the forum goer is interested in.
It is our job to make sure texture packs follow our rules. Our rules are in place to keep a standard of presentation, and fairness.
What kind of texture pack a forum goer is interested in, is none of our business, as popularity of genres of texture packs can change over time. If we went by what people liked, or didn't like, that could easily change every few months.
However, what we CAN keep a standard on, is to keep a standard amongst the threads so people know what they are getting with the texture pack.
We require you to have tags, so people can see valuable information about your texture pack without even having to open the thread. Information such as resolution, version compatibility, and genre. This does not restrict what people can share to match what is popular, it keeps a standard across the forums.
We require you to have pictures, so people can see what your texture pack looks like before downloading. This way, people do not have to waste their time downloading and trying out a pack they may not necessarily like. If it contains stolen textures and has adf.ly, they should not have to go through the adf.ly link and pay the thief in order to see that it's stolen.
Requiring pictures does not restrict what people can share, it keeps a standard.
We require you to have a download link, because lacking one defeats the purpose of the subsection. If you don't know if the thread has a download or not, why would you bother wasting your time trawling through packs?
This does not restrict what people can share, because without it, it is entirely impossible TO share.
We require you to have permissions displayed in the OP, this is to keep things clear for the end-user. If someone complains about someone else's textures being stolen and put into a texture pack thread, we can check that thread to see if they have permission to distribute those textures.
It also means that we can check the original artist's thread, and see what their license is. It could be their license says "You are free to distribute these textures as you see fit, without prior permission", which means we wouldn't have an issue at all.
This rule makes things clearer for us, and also makes things clearer for the end-user on what they can, or cannot do.
We do NOT require you to not share a simple pack or x-ray pack, as it is not our job to police content simply because "people do not like it". What people like changes on the season. It also leads to a very slippery slope. If we ban some content because we deem it "not good enough" then that can lead to banning other genres that we deem "not good enough". People cry that realistic packs ruin the feel of minecraft, should we ban those too?
People cry that anything over 16x is stupid as vanilla minecraft doesn't allow it. Should we restrict texture packs to 16x?
It is not our place to police content, beyond that what is required to make the user's job of finding what they want easier.
It could be what they want is a simple pack. It is not our place to say "NO, you cannot have one"
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It is not our job to make sure all texture packs are what the forum goer is interested in.
It is our job to make sure texture packs follow our rules. Our rules are in place to keep a standard of presentation, and fairness.
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You contradict yourself there. If they're there to keep a standard of presentation, then those bucket fills are against the rules. Unless you meant the verb presentation, as in, making sure that people present it. Then it's fine.
We do NOT require you to not share a simple pack or x-ray pack, as it is not our job to police content simply because "people do not like it". What people like changes on the season. It also leads to a very slippery slope. If we ban some content because we deem it "not good enough" then that can lead to banning other genres that we deem "not good enough". People cry that realistic packs ruin the feel of minecraft, should we ban those too?
People cry that anything over 16x is stupid as vanilla minecraft doesn't allow it. Should we restrict texture packs to 16x?
It is not our place to police content, beyond that what is required to make the user's job of finding what they want easier.
It could be what they want is a simple pack. It is not our place to say "NO, you cannot have one"
It's different. We're don't want to ban genres, because PROPERLY DONE vanilla edits and simple packs can be great.
I don't want to ban simple packs, vanilla edits or adf.ly, no. I want to get rid of all these 5 minute hack jobs that people call texture packs.
What you're saying is we should endure those floods of lazy packs for what? Avoiding some possible future abuse based on precedence? Sorry, i just can't realistically see that happening. It's not like that'd mean reshuffling all moderators every week.
You contradict yourself there. If they're there to keep a standard of presentation, then those bucket fills are against the rules. Unless you meant the verb presentation, as in, making sure that people present it. Then it's fine.
Yes, I don't mean the presentation that is the pack itself, but how the work of the pack is presented in the thread.
It's different. We're don't want to ban genres, because PROPERLY DONE vanilla edits and simple packs can be great.
I don't want to ban simple packs, vanilla edits or adf.ly, no. I want to get rid of all these 5 minute hack jobs that people call texture packs.
What you're saying is we should endure those floods of lazy packs for what? Avoiding some possible future abuse based on precedence? Sorry, i just can't realistically see that happening. It's not like that'd mean reshuffling all moderators every week.
It may be a flood on PMC, but on here it is less so. On PMC it is really easy to abuse the system to get those horrible packs on the popular reel. On MCF, it is really easy for the staff to notice if someone is using multiple accounts in order to make their pack more popular. Therefore, people don't do that here.
People also spam on PMC because there is a digital incentive - diamonds and experience, making you a higher 'level'.
Here, the only thing is a download count that is private to yourself, the number of thread replies, and how well known you are.
People only download the pack if they find it interesting, and they usually only reply to the thread if it's really interesting.
If someone abuses the system on MCF to raise their download count, then that doesn't really effect us.
If someone abuses the system on MCF to increase the number of thread replies, its really obvious to the forum staff.
If someone abuses the system on MCF to increase how well known they are, true popularity isn't something that can be done by abuse of the system. If they use lots of accounts to go "this guy is cool", they usually aren't that smart, and people won't listen to their opinion because of the quality of the posts.
Therefore, Planet Minecraft unintendingly encourages this sort of behavior a lot more than Minecraft Forums.
Once someone posts an arguably horribly done texture pack, people will probably go "ew I don't like this" or something similar for maybe a few hours, then it dies down, and then it sinks.
Occasionally it gets updated and people go "ew" some more, however that doesn't happen often, as people who do that sort of thing:
)Usually lack the commitment to see it through an update
)Are usually in it for "popularity" or something, so will be discouraged from continuing after it dies for the first time.
And as I said before, MCF has a lot less incentives to these people than PMC does, so they are less likely to continue their work here, than PMC when they get more immediate... "feedback".
So the problem is not as bad as it is on PMC. Sure, they may be 2-3 "bad" packs on the front page, but they usually leave the front page pretty damn quickly and usually don't return.
Also, all the current rules for a texture pack thread are largely objective.
You either have pictures, or you don't,
You either have a download link, or you don't.
You either have permission, or you don't.
You either have tags, or you don't.
If we add the rule "No badly made simple packs or default-edits (because good ones are ok)", that will then require use to judge something that is purely subjective. Aesthetic appearance. Sure, you can point at a simple pack and go "this is a bad looking one" and one like Doll House and say "this is a good one", but where do you draw the line? What is the point where a simple pack is bad, or good?
That line is different for a lot of people, what Steelfeathers might think is different than what RandomMac5 might think, and is different from what I think.
With all the other rules it is clear when someone breaks it, though different moderators may have different amounts of leeway (though none too extreme). A rule based on this would be nothing BUT leeway.
If you don't like these packs, fine. Some people do. I'll admit there isn't many.
In our position as staff, saying "No you can't do that!" isn't that good of an idea.
However you are a member. You already do that, you say things like "Please, another one?" or something similar. You make it clear to these people that most people don't want this sort of texture pack.
Saying that sort of thing isn't for the staff to do, but it is for the community to do.
Please, keep up your good work Balduran.
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Here, the only thing is a download count that is private to yourself, the number of thread replies, and how well known you are.(...)
And adf.ly. A lot of people seem to chug out something real fast in hopes of getting some adf.ly dosh quickly, failing to realize that it's not as fast as they think.
It's nice that i can reward a texture artist without spending my hard earned money, but it seems to promote behavior like that;
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If we add the rule "No badly made simple packs or default-edits (because good ones are ok)", that will then require use to judge something that is purely subjective. Aesthetic appearance. Sure, you can point at a simple pack and go "this is a bad looking one" and one like Doll House and say "this is a good one", but where do you draw the line? What is the point where a simple pack is bad, or good?
That line is different for a lot of people, what Steelfeathers might think is different than what RandomMac5 might think, and is different from what I think.
With all the other rules it is clear when someone breaks it, though different moderators may have different amounts of leeway (though none too extreme). A rule based on this would be nothing BUT leeway.
Like me going aggro on everything...
I admit the line can get blurry, but for me the indication between good/bad is effort. If it looks ugly, mis-tiled or otherwise unappealing BUT i can see that someone has actually tried to make something original, creative or shows ambition beyond editing default, then i will try to help out. Though i agree with one of the previous posts that this has to be taken on a case-by-case basis.
In our position as staff, saying "No you can't do that!" isn't that good of an idea.
However you are a member. You already do that, you say things like "Please, another one?" or something similar. You make it clear to these people that most people don't want this sort of texture pack.
Saying that sort of thing isn't for the staff to do, but it is for the community to do.
Please, keep up your good work Balduran.
Whoa, i, well... I didn't expect to hear that, thank You 0_o
And an excellent point there, I'll remember that from now on.
X-ray packs are a special case. I'm honestly not sure how to handle them for the guidelines.
On the one hand, the vast majority of them is other texture packs holes cut out of them.
On the other hand, these packs can be legitimately useful.
On another hand, it's very obviously cheating.
On yet another hand, it doesn't always matter, since Minecraft can be played in a multitude of ways.
Going even further, the whole point of x-ray packs is that they LACK textures. if they had actual work and detail in them then it would defeat the purpose of being an x-ray pack and just be a texture pack. A good X-ray pack is probably not even a texture pack at all, or if it is, it's almost always a lazy one because they can omit texture work altogether. And yet, it still counts as a texture pack, because it's editing the terrain or image files, and not the .class files. Maybe it would count as a texture mod? I dunno.
I'd like more opinions on this before making a guideline on it.
Xray Texture packs are fine as long as they actually are usefull.
Just cutting a hole in every texture except ores is not (You will NOT distinguish between ores when they are in the dark and far away)
Xray Texture packs are fine as long as they actually are usefull.
Just cutting a hole in every texture except ores is not (You will NOT distinguish between ores when they are in the dark and far away)
EDIT. Brainfarted, again.
This is true, though I'm not sure how one can make ores visible in the dark with only a different texture pack. I'm pretty sure mods are needed to make a truely useful x-ray pack.
I hope you realise that isn't really working out for you; the users blow it out of proportions. I've been here for 2-3 weeks and I already know this.
By this you mean people over-react to bad texture packs? Cus I most definitely agree with that. I'm not sure what the mods are supposed to do about it though.
I think theevilpplz is right though. Mods aren't meant to judge things that are subjective like that. Making any rule that would lead to warning people for making bad texture packs will not only end up being unreliable and inconsistent, it will also stifle creativity and potentially make people be too careful about what texture packs they post. And let's be honest here, everyone has to start somewhere. Many many people start off with bad texture packs. Getting bad criticism and feedback should be punishment enough, and if they're truely smart, they'll learn from it and come back with something worth while.
Good things can still come from bad texture packs. It might not be useful to anyone else, but it can serve as a jumping point for texturing and pixel art beginners, and I see no problem with humoring them if we can help them learn.
I'd say keep a keen eye for the stupid packs; I know you get sooo many reports per day, but just get more moderators or something. There are plenty good people around.
We are always looking for new moderators to induce. Recently a large bunch of people have become moderators, it's an on-going expansion.
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Yeah, I noticed that just from this sections' lurkers, in the past few months we've had Steelfeathers and Insomniac_lemon become moderators. I haven't even bothered to try to apply for moderator; it seems rather futile when there are so many better people for the job.
There's no maximum number of moderators, there is nothing stopping both you and those "better people" to be moderators.
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Yeah, I noticed that just from this sections' lurkers, in the past few months we've had Steelfeathers and Insomniac_lemon become moderators. I haven't even bothered to try to apply for moderator; it seems rather futile when there are so many better people for the job.
13thMurder became a sectional mod here just after me as well. But, on topic:
Well, I still think we need more integration of tags.
A specific resolution, and MC official/development versions supported (2 tags, but 1 column) variables.
Integration of tag-filtering as soon as you enter the section, no searching required. Filtering would only search exact tags.
Tag filtering would allow you use AND filters and NOT filters. Slow computer or don't use mods? Only show 16x packs. Don't like simple/x-ray packs? Filter them out!
This is what I originally though tags would be like.... will we ever see something like this?
Probably not with IPB anytime soon.
I'll still suggest it though; you never know.
So what else can we do? Well, a more detailed set of sectional rules would help.
Maybe the people could partially decide what they don't like? Allow filtering out threads with reputation lower than 10 or something like that. Most simple/X-ray packs won't get 10 rep.
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It’s the unpleasantness of the system that keeps me out.
I’d rather be in, in a good system. That’s where my discontent comes from:
being forced to choose to stay outside.
My advice: Just keep movin’ straight ahead.
Every now and then you find yourself in a different place."
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13thMurder became a sectional mod here just after me as well. But, on topic:
Well, I still think we need more integration of tags.
A specific resolution, and MC official/development versions supported (2 tags, but 1 column) variables.
Integration of tag-filtering as soon as you enter the section, no searching required. Filtering would only search exact tags.
Tag filtering would allow you use AND filters and NOT filters. Slow computer or don't use mods? Only show 16x packs. Don't like simple/x-ray packs? Filter them out!
This is what I originally though tags would be like.... will we ever see something like this?
Probably not with IPB anytime soon.
I'll still suggest it though; you never know.
So what else can we do? Well, a more detailed set of sectional rules would help.
Maybe the people could partially decide what they don't like? Allow filtering out threads with reputation lower than 10 or something like that. Most simple/X-ray packs won't get 10 rep.
I like this idea. It would allow people to naturally ignore anything that isn't noteworthy. The only issue is that new threads might also be ignored since they don't even have time to gain any rep, but I should hope people will still browse the board normally in addition to browsing it with filters.
I like this idea. It would allow people to naturally ignore anything that isn't noteworthy. The only issue is that new threads might also be ignored since they don't even have time to gain any rep, but I should hope people will still browse the board normally in addition to browsing it with filters.
Even if this feature was implemented, there would be a plethora of people who wouldn't know how to use it! So no worries there.
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So? There is a plethora of people who don't know how to use any damn feature of the forum at all.
Well, it would allow forum regulars that are annoyed by new, and most of the time bucket fill packs, to filter them out easily by reputation.
Many people (like newer or just more casual users) wouldn't know how to filter topics by reputation, so it would would still be able to gain reputation if it were good. It's a Yin-Yang type thing.
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It’s the unpleasantness of the system that keeps me out.
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My advice: Just keep movin’ straight ahead.
Every now and then you find yourself in a different place."
-George Carlin
If people are posting largely default under adf.ly, I'm sure that breaks the rules of "Adf.ly Abuse" - you are posting what is largely someone else's work under an adf.ly link.
I'm sure if we took the rule completely literally, any use of adf.ly on any texture pack that has at least one default texture would be infringing, but mods have room for interpretation
But yeah, if they have like 2 textures, and put it under adf.ly, then that's very annoying and probably counts as adf.ly abuse :/
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Because PMC has a much larger flood of those texture packs than we ever do, which is why they have had to take such drastic measures.
We do not discriminate against threads because of the content they contain.
It is not our job to make sure all texture packs are what the forum goer is interested in.
It is our job to make sure texture packs follow our rules. Our rules are in place to keep a standard of presentation, and fairness.
What kind of texture pack a forum goer is interested in, is none of our business, as popularity of genres of texture packs can change over time. If we went by what people liked, or didn't like, that could easily change every few months.
However, what we CAN keep a standard on, is to keep a standard amongst the threads so people know what they are getting with the texture pack.
We require you to have tags, so people can see valuable information about your texture pack without even having to open the thread. Information such as resolution, version compatibility, and genre. This does not restrict what people can share to match what is popular, it keeps a standard across the forums.
We require you to have pictures, so people can see what your texture pack looks like before downloading. This way, people do not have to waste their time downloading and trying out a pack they may not necessarily like. If it contains stolen textures and has adf.ly, they should not have to go through the adf.ly link and pay the thief in order to see that it's stolen.
Requiring pictures does not restrict what people can share, it keeps a standard.
We require you to have a download link, because lacking one defeats the purpose of the subsection. If you don't know if the thread has a download or not, why would you bother wasting your time trawling through packs?
This does not restrict what people can share, because without it, it is entirely impossible TO share.
We require you to have permissions displayed in the OP, this is to keep things clear for the end-user. If someone complains about someone else's textures being stolen and put into a texture pack thread, we can check that thread to see if they have permission to distribute those textures.
It also means that we can check the original artist's thread, and see what their license is. It could be their license says "You are free to distribute these textures as you see fit, without prior permission", which means we wouldn't have an issue at all.
This rule makes things clearer for us, and also makes things clearer for the end-user on what they can, or cannot do.
We do NOT require you to not share a simple pack or x-ray pack, as it is not our job to police content simply because "people do not like it". What people like changes on the season. It also leads to a very slippery slope. If we ban some content because we deem it "not good enough" then that can lead to banning other genres that we deem "not good enough". People cry that realistic packs ruin the feel of minecraft, should we ban those too?
People cry that anything over 16x is stupid as vanilla minecraft doesn't allow it. Should we restrict texture packs to 16x?
It is not our place to police content, beyond that what is required to make the user's job of finding what they want easier.
It could be what they want is a simple pack. It is not our place to say "NO, you cannot have one"
You contradict yourself there. If they're there to keep a standard of presentation, then those bucket fills are against the rules.
Unless you meant the verb presentation, as in, making sure that people present it. Then it's fine.
It's different. We're don't want to ban genres, because PROPERLY DONE vanilla edits and simple packs can be great.
I don't want to ban simple packs, vanilla edits or adf.ly, no. I want to get rid of all these 5 minute hack jobs that people call texture packs.
What you're saying is we should endure those floods of lazy packs for what? Avoiding some possible future abuse based on precedence? Sorry, i just can't realistically see that happening. It's not like that'd mean reshuffling all moderators every week.
...But that's just my opinion.
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Yes, I don't mean the presentation that is the pack itself, but how the work of the pack is presented in the thread.
It may be a flood on PMC, but on here it is less so. On PMC it is really easy to abuse the system to get those horrible packs on the popular reel. On MCF, it is really easy for the staff to notice if someone is using multiple accounts in order to make their pack more popular. Therefore, people don't do that here.
People also spam on PMC because there is a digital incentive - diamonds and experience, making you a higher 'level'.
Here, the only thing is a download count that is private to yourself, the number of thread replies, and how well known you are.
People only download the pack if they find it interesting, and they usually only reply to the thread if it's really interesting.
If someone abuses the system on MCF to raise their download count, then that doesn't really effect us.
If someone abuses the system on MCF to increase the number of thread replies, its really obvious to the forum staff.
If someone abuses the system on MCF to increase how well known they are, true popularity isn't something that can be done by abuse of the system. If they use lots of accounts to go "this guy is cool", they usually aren't that smart, and people won't listen to their opinion because of the quality of the posts.
Therefore, Planet Minecraft unintendingly encourages this sort of behavior a lot more than Minecraft Forums.
Once someone posts an arguably horribly done texture pack, people will probably go "ew I don't like this" or something similar for maybe a few hours, then it dies down, and then it sinks.
Occasionally it gets updated and people go "ew" some more, however that doesn't happen often, as people who do that sort of thing:
)Usually lack the commitment to see it through an update
)Are usually in it for "popularity" or something, so will be discouraged from continuing after it dies for the first time.
And as I said before, MCF has a lot less incentives to these people than PMC does, so they are less likely to continue their work here, than PMC when they get more immediate... "feedback".
So the problem is not as bad as it is on PMC. Sure, they may be 2-3 "bad" packs on the front page, but they usually leave the front page pretty damn quickly and usually don't return.
Also, all the current rules for a texture pack thread are largely objective.
You either have pictures, or you don't,
You either have a download link, or you don't.
You either have permission, or you don't.
You either have tags, or you don't.
If we add the rule "No badly made simple packs or default-edits (because good ones are ok)", that will then require use to judge something that is purely subjective. Aesthetic appearance. Sure, you can point at a simple pack and go "this is a bad looking one" and one like Doll House and say "this is a good one", but where do you draw the line? What is the point where a simple pack is bad, or good?
That line is different for a lot of people, what Steelfeathers might think is different than what RandomMac5 might think, and is different from what I think.
With all the other rules it is clear when someone breaks it, though different moderators may have different amounts of leeway (though none too extreme). A rule based on this would be nothing BUT leeway.
If you don't like these packs, fine. Some people do. I'll admit there isn't many.
In our position as staff, saying "No you can't do that!" isn't that good of an idea.
However you are a member. You already do that, you say things like "Please, another one?" or something similar. You make it clear to these people that most people don't want this sort of texture pack.
Saying that sort of thing isn't for the staff to do, but it is for the community to do.
Please, keep up your good work Balduran.
And adf.ly. A lot of people seem to chug out something real fast in hopes of getting some adf.ly dosh quickly, failing to realize that it's not as fast as they think.
It's nice that i can reward a texture artist without spending my hard earned money, but it seems to promote behavior like that;
Like me going aggro on everything...
I admit the line can get blurry, but for me the indication between good/bad is effort. If it looks ugly, mis-tiled or otherwise unappealing BUT i can see that someone has actually tried to make something original, creative or shows ambition beyond editing default, then i will try to help out. Though i agree with one of the previous posts that this has to be taken on a case-by-case basis.
Whoa, i, well... I didn't expect to hear that, thank You 0_o
And an excellent point there, I'll remember that from now on.
...But that's just my opinion.
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On the one hand, the vast majority of them is other texture packs holes cut out of them.
On the other hand, these packs can be legitimately useful.
On another hand, it's very obviously cheating.
On yet another hand, it doesn't always matter, since Minecraft can be played in a multitude of ways.
Going even further, the whole point of x-ray packs is that they LACK textures. if they had actual work and detail in them then it would defeat the purpose of being an x-ray pack and just be a texture pack. A good X-ray pack is probably not even a texture pack at all, or if it is, it's almost always a lazy one because they can omit texture work altogether. And yet, it still counts as a texture pack, because it's editing the terrain or image files, and not the .class files. Maybe it would count as a texture mod? I dunno.
I'd like more opinions on this before making a guideline on it.
Just cutting a hole in every texture except ores is not (You will NOT distinguish between ores when they are in the dark and far away)
EDIT.
Brainfarted, again.
...But that's just my opinion.
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I hope you realise that isn't really working out for you; the users blow it out of proportions. I've been here for 2-3 weeks and I already know this.
After reading my other points, what solution would you propose we do?
This is true, though I'm not sure how one can make ores visible in the dark with only a different texture pack. I'm pretty sure mods are needed to make a truely useful x-ray pack.
By this you mean people over-react to bad texture packs? Cus I most definitely agree with that. I'm not sure what the mods are supposed to do about it though.
I think theevilpplz is right though. Mods aren't meant to judge things that are subjective like that. Making any rule that would lead to warning people for making bad texture packs will not only end up being unreliable and inconsistent, it will also stifle creativity and potentially make people be too careful about what texture packs they post. And let's be honest here, everyone has to start somewhere. Many many people start off with bad texture packs. Getting bad criticism and feedback should be punishment enough, and if they're truely smart, they'll learn from it and come back with something worth while.
Good things can still come from bad texture packs. It might not be useful to anyone else, but it can serve as a jumping point for texturing and pixel art beginners, and I see no problem with humoring them if we can help them learn.
We are always looking for new moderators to induce. Recently a large bunch of people have become moderators, it's an on-going expansion.
There's no maximum number of moderators, there is nothing stopping both you and those "better people" to be moderators.
13thMurder became a sectional mod here just after me as well. But, on topic:
Well, I still think we need more integration of tags.
A specific resolution, and MC official/development versions supported (2 tags, but 1 column) variables.
Integration of tag-filtering as soon as you enter the section, no searching required. Filtering would only search exact tags.
Tag filtering would allow you use AND filters and NOT filters. Slow computer or don't use mods? Only show 16x packs. Don't like simple/x-ray packs? Filter them out!
This is what I originally though tags would be like.... will we ever see something like this?
Probably not with IPB anytime soon.
I'll still suggest it though; you never know.
So what else can we do? Well, a more detailed set of sectional rules would help.
Maybe the people could partially decide what they don't like? Allow filtering out threads with reputation lower than 10 or something like that. Most simple/X-ray packs won't get 10 rep.
"I'm an outsider by choice, but not truly.
It’s the unpleasantness of the system that keeps me out.
I’d rather be in, in a good system. That’s where my discontent comes from:
being forced to choose to stay outside.
My advice: Just keep movin’ straight ahead.
Every now and then you find yourself in a different place."
-George Carlin
I like this idea. It would allow people to naturally ignore anything that isn't noteworthy. The only issue is that new threads might also be ignored since they don't even have time to gain any rep, but I should hope people will still browse the board normally in addition to browsing it with filters.
Even if this feature was implemented, there would be a plethora of people who wouldn't know how to use it! So no worries there.
Well, it would allow forum regulars that are annoyed by new, and most of the time bucket fill packs, to filter them out easily by reputation.
Many people (like newer or just more casual users) wouldn't know how to filter topics by reputation, so it would would still be able to gain reputation if it were good. It's a Yin-Yang type thing.
"I'm an outsider by choice, but not truly.
It’s the unpleasantness of the system that keeps me out.
I’d rather be in, in a good system. That’s where my discontent comes from:
being forced to choose to stay outside.
My advice: Just keep movin’ straight ahead.
Every now and then you find yourself in a different place."
-George Carlin