Hello there. I am a BIG FAN of hosting servers on dedicated hardware, i find that the server runs alot smoother overall. But there is one thing I am curious about. I usually use CentOS 6.4, but people keep telling me i should ditch CentOS and get Ubuntu. Why is this? I really like the way CentOS is built and the way it runs.
Ubuntu server is not "that" bad. For certain game it's needed(no more room in hell) because it have newer glibc library, but I always choose stability and security over cutting edge feature and lastest library. So Debian fit my needs perfectly.
I disagree with you. Ubuntu Server is great for a server. I've been using Ubuntu Server LTS 8.04, 10.04, and 12.04 for the past 4 years without a single issue related to the operating system. I actually prefer it over CentOS and Debian now after being a fan of Redhat based distros like CentOS.
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CentOS is a nightmare if you are not very knowingly your way around in such strict security OS. Highly not for inexperienced people. Debian is far more resource friendly then bloated Ubuntu, even Server Ubuntu. I have did my testings with these. Debian is relatively one of few longest living branches of the "linux" family.
Ubuntu is marketed and shoved around, only reason it is "well" known really.
CentOS is a nightmare if you are not very knowingly your way around in such strict security OS. Highly not for inexperienced people. Debian is far more resource friendly then bloated Ubuntu, even Server Ubuntu. I have did my testings with these. Debian is relatively one of few longest living branches of the "linux" family.
Ubuntu is marketed and shoved around, only reason it is "well" known really.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't security, and light weight (transparent) operating systems exactly what you want in a production environment. Perhaps this is to the extreme in his personal circumstance , But I would still recommend CentOS over any of the other distributions.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't security, and light weight (transparent) operating systems exactly what you want in a production environment. Perhaps this is to the extreme in his personal circumstance , But I would still recommend CentOS over any of the other distributions.
CentOS is a division repackage of Red Hat Enterprise Linux. Unless you want RHEL tracking OS and RPM package management, there is nothing different except that it is Red Hat based and Red Hat is more for mission critical environments.
If you did not catch what I said though in previous post. I will repeat such.
"I have did my testing with these. Debian is relative one of the few longest living branches of the "Linux" family." personal opinions did you not see there?
Point is, use what you know or are familiar with. Security in a Linux OS isn't really something to say, figure that out yourself with such open source operating systems.
We here at Deal Me Hosting use Windows Server as well as CentOS I know other hosting company's that are using Ubuntu but there is no reason to use or to not use it. It boils down to personal preference at the end of the day and not what someone tells you you have to use.
I have to agree with Clinton with this, Ubuntu server is very stable and their community is better than any other out there. This is why most people suggest using Ubuntu server! Almost any issue you can Google and find a good amount of help for Ubuntu and if you can't find it their forums are amazing source of help for everyone, being able to get help like that is great as most people renting dedicated servers don't know much about Linux and need that extra help which is why you see so many people suggesting it.
The only sad thing about Ubuntu is that not all major things support the usage of it yet which is to bad since it's becoming much more popular than other distros out there.
It's also nice that there is updates and new features always coming out, you just have to make sure you're on top of updates and looking out for exploits like you should with any OS you're running.
Exactly, CentOS uses far more resources than Ubuntu.
This may be true, but the difference is not large... I run two CentOS 6.4 VMs on my desktop all the time for development, together they rarely take more than 100 MB of RAM, and not even 1% of my CPU.
If you want to get all into resources... real admins run SUSE, compile binaries for their own hardware, and maintain their own private software channel.
This gets into the debate about usability. As a dev, here's an example: why use programming languages at all? They're just abstractions of machine code. The answer, of course, is that writing in C (as painful as it is) is much easier and faster than writing in Assembly.
In my opinion, the best system is the one you/your admins know best and works the best with. The difference in performance will probably be negligible in comparison to the better stability, gained performance, and less wasted time that you get using a system you know instead of jumping to another system for a 0.1% performance gain.
And besides, performance migth be better on the systems you know anyway. I one spent some time with a computer-scientist-astrophysicist, who wrote programs designed to crunch hundreds of terabytes of data. I don't recall what language he used, but it was some fairly obscure language that most people think is bad at managing large amounts of data. But, because he knew the language, he was able to get the same or better performance than others were able to get on languages more popular for data analysis. The same idea is true of the various distros.
Basically, what I'm vouching for is to go with what you know unless there's some real reason to change. That'll probably serve you best.
This may be true, but the difference is not large... I run two CentOS 6.4 VMs on my desktop all the time for development, together they rarely take more than 100 MB of RAM, and not even 1% of my CPU.
If you want to get all into resources... real admins run SUSE, compile binaries for their own hardware, and maintain their own private software channel.
This gets into the debate about usability. As a dev, here's an example: why use programming languages at all? They're just abstractions of machine code. The answer, of course, is that writing in C (as painful as it is) is much easier and faster than writing in Assembly.
In my opinion, the best system is the one you/your admins know best and works the best with. The difference in performance will probably be negligible in comparison to the better stability, gained performance, and less wasted time that you get using a system you know instead of jumping to another system for a 0.1% performance gain.
And besides, performance migth be better on the systems you know anyway. I one spent some time with a computer-scientist-astrophysicist, who wrote programs designed to crunch hundreds of terabytes of data. I don't recall what language he used, but it was some fairly obscure language that most people think is bad at managing large amounts of data. But, because he knew the language, he was able to get the same or better performance than others were able to get on languages more popular for data analysis. The same idea is true of the various distros.
Basically, what I'm vouching for is to go with what you know unless there's some real reason to change. That'll probably serve you best.
A voice of reason has spoken.
On that topic, myself and my two Systems Administrators prefer Debian and Ubuntu Server over any other distribution.
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I personally use ubuntu on my desktop I find it better than other distros like windows ect. And also ubuntu is good for secuirty not really for hosting game servers but on the other hand Centos is the best distro for what your doing.
I personally use ubuntu on my desktop I find it better than other distros like windows ect. And also ubuntu is good for secuirty not really for hosting game servers but on the other hand Centos is the best distro for what your doing.
tl;dr for newcomers: quoting a bug on one system automatically means it's less stable than another system that had (in terms of effects) the same bug.
Addendum: in my experience, both CentOS and Debian have been very stable systems. CentOS, I feel, could suffer to be a bit more unstable in terms of software, but installing the EPEL repos isn't hard. It is rather annoying to, for example, have to recompile Python to get a version newer than three years old, but that stability is good in many ways.
Probably your friends telling you to use ubuntu are linux first timer. And they get the most popular distro.
CentOS or Debian for server.
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Ubuntu is better for a desktop/personal computer use.
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But CentOS is just as good.
It's all about RPM VS apt-get
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Ubuntu is marketed and shoved around, only reason it is "well" known really.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't security, and light weight (transparent) operating systems exactly what you want in a production environment. Perhaps this is to the extreme in his personal circumstance , But I would still recommend CentOS over any of the other distributions.
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CentOS is a division repackage of Red Hat Enterprise Linux. Unless you want RHEL tracking OS and RPM package management, there is nothing different except that it is Red Hat based and Red Hat is more for mission critical environments.
If you did not catch what I said though in previous post. I will repeat such.
"I have did my testing with these. Debian is relative one of the few longest living branches of the "Linux" family." personal opinions did you not see there?
Point is, use what you know or are familiar with. Security in a Linux OS isn't really something to say, figure that out yourself with such open source operating systems.
I laugh however at ""light weight"".
Exactly, CentOS uses far more resources than Ubuntu.
The best OS (In my humble opinion) is Debian, followed by Ubuntu for servers. However, on my laptop I rock, Linux MInt.
The only sad thing about Ubuntu is that not all major things support the usage of it yet which is to bad since it's becoming much more popular than other distros out there.
It's also nice that there is updates and new features always coming out, you just have to make sure you're on top of updates and looking out for exploits like you should with any OS you're running.
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This may be true, but the difference is not large... I run two CentOS 6.4 VMs on my desktop all the time for development, together they rarely take more than 100 MB of RAM, and not even 1% of my CPU.
If you want to get all into resources... real admins run SUSE, compile binaries for their own hardware, and maintain their own private software channel.
This gets into the debate about usability. As a dev, here's an example: why use programming languages at all? They're just abstractions of machine code. The answer, of course, is that writing in C (as painful as it is) is much easier and faster than writing in Assembly.
In my opinion, the best system is the one you/your admins know best and works the best with. The difference in performance will probably be negligible in comparison to the better stability, gained performance, and less wasted time that you get using a system you know instead of jumping to another system for a 0.1% performance gain.
And besides, performance migth be better on the systems you know anyway. I one spent some time with a computer-scientist-astrophysicist, who wrote programs designed to crunch hundreds of terabytes of data. I don't recall what language he used, but it was some fairly obscure language that most people think is bad at managing large amounts of data. But, because he knew the language, he was able to get the same or better performance than others were able to get on languages more popular for data analysis. The same idea is true of the various distros.
Basically, what I'm vouching for is to go with what you know unless there's some real reason to change. That'll probably serve you best.
A voice of reason has spoken.
On that topic, myself and my two Systems Administrators prefer Debian and Ubuntu Server over any other distribution.
Use centos !
1) Windows is not a distro (Linux Distribution).
Also, if you think CentOS is more stable than the Debian based alternatives.
http://lowendtalk.co...-1-2-el6#latest
It's an issue that makes the system unbootable. I believe it was resolved a few hours ago.
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Because quoting one issue automatically makes one system more stable than another. On that note, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=505609
tl;dr for newcomers: quoting a bug on one system automatically means it's less stable than another system that had (in terms of effects) the same bug.
Addendum: in my experience, both CentOS and Debian have been very stable systems. CentOS, I feel, could suffer to be a bit more unstable in terms of software, but installing the EPEL repos isn't hard. It is rather annoying to, for example, have to recompile Python to get a version newer than three years old, but that stability is good in many ways.