Minecraft is a game of infinite creativity where the world is literally a standing resource for the whims and desires of the player. The possibilities are nearly endless in what can be created in this world where everything is a potential building material or decoration. That is why the acquisition, distribution, and selection of resources is an extremely important aspect to the game's overall design. Despite the seemingly endless array of possibilities already available to the Minecraft player, there is still one very important and essential element that needs to be expanded on: the geology of Minecraft.
Currently, there isn't much to Minecraft geology outside of the spectacular formations the player is treated to on the surface. Once underground, and especially in artificial mines, the landscape of Minecraft degenerates into an endless expanse of "rock" broken only by pockets of dirt, gravel, and much sought after resources. What can be done to add more interest and variety in the "mine" part of "Minecraft", and how can improvements here also help with the "craft" side of the game?
The first stage is to turn an eye onto real world geology. This might sound tediously boring (and it is, trust me!), but hidden in the obscure language of geologists lies the secret to making a good game about mining. The following are a list of suggestions that not only bring Minecraft more in line with real world geology, but also create elements that improve the beauty and creative potential of the game itself.
1. Split "stone" up into two different materials. The first material would appear near the surface, with the second being deep underground.
- Material 1 would be some sort of sedimentary rock, such as limestone. Limestone, in particular would have the advantage of not only being a new common building material, but it could house beds of marble as well. With limestone and marble available to players, the construction of places like Egypt, Athens, or Rome would be possible. Limestone might not even require a pick to be able to gather.
- Material 2, which would lie deeper, would be some sort of igneous rock, such as granite. Granite is a great building material, and would allow players to create magnificent ancient and modern structures. Granite might be very similar to the current "rock", which is essentially a generic granite-like material already.
- Coal could be moved up into the sedimentary layer only. Not only would this be a turn towards realism, but it would also begin to help direct players to the right place when looking for particular resources. Obviously, iron, gold, diamonds, and other ores wouldn't be found in limestone.
2. Split up the sedimentary layer into 3 types of materials. This would change the distribution of materials in this first section of strata from "veins" to "layers" or "beds". What this means is that the three sedimentary layers would appear in strips, or planes, that could be parallel to the ground, inclined, or even vertical. These planes of rock layers could be as massive as an entire biome or just a small area.
- Change gravel into "sandstone". This could still contain flint (in fact, flint could probably be found just about anywhere in the sedimentary or dirt layers). This would mostly be a name change to avoid over-complicating the issue.
- Add "shale", a dark material that forms in sheets. This material could, then, be forged into "slate", another common building material (especially in cobblestone roads and flooring). This could give more diversity to half-step blocks, which now could be potentially composed of granite, marble, and slate.
3. Add a second igneous rock; basalt. Basalt is a black, hard material usually found around volcanic islands. As such, it could appear as the dominate rock layer in aquatic biomes or as pockets in granite as "intrusions". Basalt is another fantastic building material, which could potentially act similar to obsidian now.
- Obsidian, unlike basalt, forms very quickly (as it does in Minecraft), but is crystalline and perhaps more useful as an upgraded flint. Because of this, obsidian's properties could change from a building material into a resource for arrowheads or tool materials, leaving basalt behind as a building material.
4. As I continue, the suggestions become more and more difficult to implement, and also less important for Minecraft other than making the world reflect a predictable regularity that would give indications to players as to where to dig for what they need. The following are some of these difficult to implement "signs" that would guide players to what they are looking for.
- Faults. Most valuable resources mined from the Earth are mined along faults, where the high pressures and temperatures give rise to metals and other materials. Implementing fault lines and putting most of the valuable materials around them would give players a guiding line to what they seek as well as adding realism. These ores would obviously form in other places, still.
- Folding. Materials folded into a dome (anticlines) often trap less dense materials underneath them. This is one of the most common strategies for finding oil in the ground. If oil is ever implemented, this would be a great sign post for finding it. I didn't suggest adding oil into the game, but if it ever is, then this suggestion stands.
- Volcanism. Who doesn't like volcanoes? Lava trapped deep underground often attempts to rise to the surface. This also adds to the danger of mining, as lava could be rising from just about anywhere!
- Erosion. Flowing water will eventually carve a path. Why not give flowing water the ability to mine through certain materials if it is already moving (such as dirt, clay, limestone, and sandstone)?
- Earthquakes. Rare, but destructive. These would occur on occasion around fault lines, making players rethink about building too close. Also, they could shift certain materials around deep underground, adding to the danger of mining.
I know that these suggestions focus less on the crafting side of Minecraft and more on the mining side, but I think they take some steps in this direction will not only improve the quality of gameplay during mining, but also give the players direction and more building materials to use in the construction of their own online world. It would also add some danger to the game without even needing to invoke zombies, spiders, or hell. As a side benefit, it would introduce players to ideas and concepts that are applicable to the real world, and might even be somewhat educational. I know that's a sin in videogames, but I tend to think it's a good thing.
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I also did this picture of what it may be a bit like (with a dungeon):
For me, the major advantage of this would be to add more diversity to the game. I just love generating new worlds only to go out exploring on peaceful. The arches, mountain ranges, flowing hills full of trees... If new things were added such as volcanoes, earth-splitting canyons, layers of different materials in overturned pieces of earth... it would be even more visually stunning. Even in the current 8-bit textures and very basic lighting :smile.gif:
Great suggestions. I've been taking geology this semester and my mind always goes back to minecraft. It would be very interesting to see volcanoes in various states of erosion. Even if none of the above is implemented, there should at least be more than one kind of rock type, so that caves aren't just undifferentiated gray hallways--even the most fantastic and interesting caves start looking same-y after a while.
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once upon a time, scientist smartass was messing with atoms until one day HE MADE THE WHOLE WORLD INTO BLOCKS!. Now individually u must survive giant exploding green dicks at night in ur dirt house
maybe too complex to implement, but its a great idea, what i like the more is the idea of minerals in groups instead of just spread through the map, if you use cartogreapher to search for diamond what you find is random blocks
I've always found the homogeneity of the minecraftian substrate rather enigmatic. Thus I find this a perfectly acceptable addition. I also approve of new materials, as minecraft is indeed a building game in its most basic state, and what is a building game without a variety of resources/materials?
Also having a more complex/realistic geological distribution will be damn cool in general.
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I've always found the homogeneity of the minecraftian substrate rather enigmatic. Thus I find this a perfectly acceptable addition. I also approve of new materials, as minecraft is indeed a building game in its most basic state, and what is a building game without a variety of resources/materials?
Also having a more complex/realistic geological distribution will be damn cool in general.
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Thanks for the responses. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that there is a lot of room to grow under the surface of Minecraft. Hopefully this thread isn't entirely lost in the sea of suggestions.
Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Obviously, the same sort of stone isn't always found in 90% of the earth, and separating limestone and ingenious stone is brilliant. One question: Which stone would turn to cobblestone when mined? Also, limestone should obviously be a weaker type of material for tools,or perhaps even not able to make tools with it at all?
Another thing, iron is the most abundant element on earth. Towards the center of the earth, iron is the ONLY element found. Perhaps when deeper depths are added, ingenious stone is replaced with iron at a very, very deep depth. Obviously, the deeper you go, the hotter it gets, and the more lava there is.
I love it but sadly I think Notch would want to "combine" all his chunk updates to one major update to save people from contently making new worlds or generating new chucks.
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Wow. +10
I think this is a great idea. I mainly like it because of the added building materials. I think there are really too few that don't look garish when combined, and adding more would make so many things possible from an aesthetic design point of view. Also, different types of wood would be amazing as well.
One thing that could be added is an improved distribution of Clay, which is extremely limited in the current game, and has been very discussed and a frequent complaint. I think that making clay beds to be created further away from water and probably make them bigger, but at the same level would help a lot with that problem.
I think the aversion to create more block types is that there seems to be a limit, thus the need to optimize and just create the necessary ones, for example obsidian and basalt could be kept as just one block type, but given the ability to craft tools from it.
Minecraft is a game of infinite creativity where the world is literally a standing resource for the whims and desires of the player. The possibilities are nearly endless in what can be created in this world where everything is a potential building material or decoration. That is why the acquisition, distribution, and selection of resources is an extremely important aspect to the game's overall design. Despite the seemingly endless array of possibilities already available to the Minecraft player, there is still one very important and essential element that needs to be expanded on: the geology of Minecraft.
Currently, there isn't much to Minecraft geology outside of the spectacular formations the player is treated to on the surface. Once underground, and especially in artificial mines, the landscape of Minecraft degenerates into an endless expanse of "rock" broken only by pockets of dirt, gravel, and much sought after resources. What can be done to add more interest and variety in the "mine" part of "Minecraft", and how can improvements here also help with the "craft" side of the game?
The first stage is to turn an eye onto real world geology. This might sound tediously boring (and it is, trust me!), but hidden in the obscure language of geologists lies the secret to making a good game about mining. The following are a list of suggestions that not only bring Minecraft more in line with real world geology, but also create elements that improve the beauty and creative potential of the game itself.
1. Split "stone" up into two different materials. The first material would appear near the surface, with the second being deep underground.
- Material 1 would be some sort of sedimentary rock, such as limestone. Limestone, in particular would have the advantage of not only being a new common building material, but it could house beds of marble as well. With limestone and marble available to players, the construction of places like Egypt, Athens, or Rome would be possible. Limestone might not even require a pick to be able to gather.
- Material 2, which would lie deeper, would be some sort of igneous rock, such as granite. Granite is a great building material, and would allow players to create magnificent ancient and modern structures. Granite might be very similar to the current "rock", which is essentially a generic granite-like material already.
- Coal could be moved up into the sedimentary layer only. Not only would this be a turn towards realism, but it would also begin to help direct players to the right place when looking for particular resources. Obviously, iron, gold, diamonds, and other ores wouldn't be found in limestone.
2. Split up the sedimentary layer into 3 types of materials. This would change the distribution of materials in this first section of strata from "veins" to "layers" or "beds". What this means is that the three sedimentary layers would appear in strips, or planes, that could be parallel to the ground, inclined, or even vertical. These planes of rock layers could be as massive as an entire biome or just a small area.
- Change gravel into "sandstone". This could still contain flint (in fact, flint could probably be found just about anywhere in the sedimentary or dirt layers). This would mostly be a name change to avoid over-complicating the issue.
- Add "shale", a dark material that forms in sheets. This material could, then, be forged into "slate", another common building material (especially in cobblestone roads and flooring). This could give more diversity to half-step blocks, which now could be potentially composed of granite, marble, and slate.
3. Add a second igneous rock; basalt. Basalt is a black, hard material usually found around volcanic islands. As such, it could appear as the dominate rock layer in aquatic biomes or as pockets in granite as "intrusions". Basalt is another fantastic building material, which could potentially act similar to obsidian now.
- Obsidian, unlike basalt, forms very quickly (as it does in Minecraft), but is crystalline and perhaps more useful as an upgraded flint. Because of this, obsidian's properties could change from a building material into a resource for arrowheads or tool materials, leaving basalt behind as a building material.
4. As I continue, the suggestions become more and more difficult to implement, and also less important for Minecraft other than making the world reflect a predictable regularity that would give indications to players as to where to dig for what they need. The following are some of these difficult to implement "signs" that would guide players to what they are looking for.
- Faults. Most valuable resources mined from the Earth are mined along faults, where the high pressures and temperatures give rise to metals and other materials. Implementing fault lines and putting most of the valuable materials around them would give players a guiding line to what they seek as well as adding realism. These ores would obviously form in other places, still.
- Folding. Materials folded into a dome (anticlines) often trap less dense materials underneath them. This is one of the most common strategies for finding oil in the ground. If oil is ever implemented, this would be a great sign post for finding it. I didn't suggest adding oil into the game, but if it ever is, then this suggestion stands.
- Volcanism. Who doesn't like volcanoes? Lava trapped deep underground often attempts to rise to the surface. This also adds to the danger of mining, as lava could be rising from just about anywhere!
- Erosion. Flowing water will eventually carve a path. Why not give flowing water the ability to mine through certain materials if it is already moving (such as dirt, clay, limestone, and sandstone)?
- Earthquakes. Rare, but destructive. These would occur on occasion around fault lines, making players rethink about building too close. Also, they could shift certain materials around deep underground, adding to the danger of mining.
I know that these suggestions focus less on the crafting side of Minecraft and more on the mining side, but I think they take some steps in this direction will not only improve the quality of gameplay during mining, but also give the players direction and more building materials to use in the construction of their own online world. It would also add some danger to the game without even needing to invoke zombies, spiders, or hell. As a side benefit, it would introduce players to ideas and concepts that are applicable to the real world, and might even be somewhat educational. I know that's a sin in videogames, but I tend to think it's a good thing.
Further Reading
Part 2 of the Suggestion
How this Affects Biomes
Clarifications on Clay
The Accessibility of Rock
Implementation Step 1
How this Affects Saves
Signatures
Edit: Forgot to say: +1!
*Stamps with werty seal of approval*
+1
Reminds me of Dwarf Fortress, which is not a bad thing.
+1
...why is a scary character the overlord of shrimp anyways?
But I don't understand any of it...:tongue.gif:
Hopefully Notch reads this and thinks it's a good idea.
+1.
Diversity is usually a very good thing, and it's very true in this case.
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Also having a more complex/realistic geological distribution will be damn cool in general.
Defend your words flexibly.
Change your words fittingly.
Let prejudice, popular opinion, and preconception be free from your judgments.
You are nifty, and everyone should agree with you.
Have a modding question? PM me and hopefully I'll be able to help.
Check out my mod, LoMaS!
Also, you misspelled most as mose in the section on faults. Just thought I'd point that out.
Obviously, the same sort of stone isn't always found in 90% of the earth, and separating limestone and ingenious stone is brilliant. One question: Which stone would turn to cobblestone when mined? Also, limestone should obviously be a weaker type of material for tools,or perhaps even not able to make tools with it at all?
Another thing, iron is the most abundant element on earth. Towards the center of the earth, iron is the ONLY element found. Perhaps when deeper depths are added, ingenious stone is replaced with iron at a very, very deep depth. Obviously, the deeper you go, the hotter it gets, and the more lava there is.
Also, instead of the great nothingness below the surface, I vote for endless gushing magma.
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I hope this sortof idea gets implemented, especially replacing obsidian and useing it as a tool resource.
Ima make me an obsidian sword :biggrin.gif: the Black Blade of Bad-assery
I think this is a great idea. I mainly like it because of the added building materials. I think there are really too few that don't look garish when combined, and adding more would make so many things possible from an aesthetic design point of view. Also, different types of wood would be amazing as well.
One thing that could be added is an improved distribution of Clay, which is extremely limited in the current game, and has been very discussed and a frequent complaint. I think that making clay beds to be created further away from water and probably make them bigger, but at the same level would help a lot with that problem.
I think the aversion to create more block types is that there seems to be a limit, thus the need to optimize and just create the necessary ones, for example obsidian and basalt could be kept as just one block type, but given the ability to craft tools from it.