My idea is a block that is a AND, OR, XOR, etc. gate all in 1 block. It would look like this:
brick : redstone powder stuff
torch : redstone torch
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That would be an AND gate or something, for example. This would save people ALOT of space.
I believe he/she means that when you craft those items together into one block using a crafting grid, it makes a block that acts as an AND gate. This idea seems sort of cool, but I think it also adds a lot of focus to logic gates, which a lot of people are angry about already.
That would mean less ingenuity would be needed when creating large wire contraptions. Why build a real logic gate when you can craft one without even knowing what it is or how it works?
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If you can take an arrangement of redstuff like that and compress it into a single block to act as a logic gate, why can't you put more logic gates together to create even more compressed circuits? And then, recursively, combine those components into smaller components? This would lead to microchips! Instead of laying out giant circuits, you can compress it into a single block.[/horribleidea]
That would mean less ingenuity would be needed when creating large wire contraptions. Why build a real logic gate when you can craft one without even knowing what it is or how it works?
Let's not make things too simple.
Uhh "without even knwoing what it is or how it works?" You don't need to know how a gate works to just look at a picture on the forum or wiki and build from that... also the picture usually has some text next to it telling you what a gate does... and what would be the point of crafting something if you don't know what it does. So if you had a wire that needs to be inverted, you would craft an and gate? not really, you would have to know what it does..
On-Topic: Yeah this really wouldn't work seeing as some gates are bigger then 3x3. Also the problem of gates with multiple outputs/inputs because how would you know where to connect the wire if the whole gate was only 1 block.
I like this idea a lot! I hope it gets implemented eventually.
On-Topic: Yeah this really wouldn't work seeing as some gates are bigger then 3x3. Also the problem of gates with multiple outputs/inputs because how would you know where to connect the wire if the whole gate was only 1 block.
Having the CHOICE of crafting basic 1-block logic gates wouldn't mean you couldn't keep doing the big fancy gates in 'longhand' as well, it could just be a really useful option if space is otherwise limited. And the different faces of the block could be labeled directly with in/output symbols.
How about an electric crafting bench? It could be a larger crafting space, perhaps 9x9, or however large you electricians would prefer. The outputs could stay 2d and represent the 4 sides of the block when finished. So when your crafting your looking down on the block. It would be fun for non electrically inclined people like me to be able to look up easily understood recipes online to get the effects I desire.
This would be an elegant way to begin extending the tech tree.
I was going to make a suggestion about "cuircuit boards" until I found this in the index of already posted suggestions (awesome way to make the index btw)
My suggestion is very similar to this but I still may make it as a seperate suggestion...but for now lets put it here with this and see what you all think.
I think, as stated..ppl should know what and why they make a certain thing. Also it should take as much material and time to make it as it does right now. But how about if you can craft an empty circuit board to use, then click the board and you get say 16x16x16 say it allows 4 inputs or outputs ( N,E,S and W). Go to edit mode and you build it just like you do now. Now go to town, stuffing this board with whatever you want. When youre done you stick the block down and connect up your four wires. It will act as if the whole structure you just made is there..but in a single block.
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Uhh "without even knwoing what it is or how it works?" You don't need to know how a gate works to just look at a picture on the forum or wiki and build from that...
There is a big difference here! Sure you can look at all the gates and build them, but how long does it take (and how many tries does it take) to realize...oh i need to use a "whatever" here. If I could just make 5 different things, nearly instantly and try them all out..id have no idea why that thing just did the job i needed it to do. Also stacking them requires alot of planning and thought. The time it takes to get an end result SHOULD NOT CHANGE. In the end, YOU thought this through, YOU laid it out, YOU messed up....... YOU tried again and made it work. That result is YOURS. So, Congrats! :smile.gif:
So theres my suggestion. I think it addresses the space issue, and will not ruin the game play.
I always oppose the ideas that are like: "OMG WE SHUD HAVE COMPUTERS IN MC THAT DO BIG CIRKUTS AND THEN PALY MC IN MC TROLOLOLOL!"
This is a much better alternative.
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That would mean less ingenuity would be needed when creating large wire contraptions. Why build a real logic gate when you can craft one without even knowing what it is or how it works?
Let's not make things too simple.
That's right! Why make things accessible? Redstone should only be used by the elite.
Seriously now, I support this idea. I believe that we could "compress" at least some of the most basic gates (NOT,OR) to enable basic redstone use for begginers/people who don't want to read pages and pages of rather complex tutorials.
I highly dislike this, yet I've already had the idea in a different, more likeable way.
= redstone dust
= gunpowder (don't ask)
= redstone transistor
A redstone transistor is a block that looks like a red half-step with a gray stripe down the middle. This is because a transistor is the most important piece of a modern logic gate, and is two N-type semiconductors with a p-type in the middle. They can also act as not gates with the input on one side and the output on the other, and work both ways.
Then you can craft these together to make logic gates, but logic gates are 3x3x3 blocks of some specified pattern on a block. There are 8 logic gates possible:
= transistor
= redstone torch
= switch
= stone
not gate (no crafting required, not gates are only made of one transistor)
The earlier post about circuit boards says exactly what I was thinking:
- Have an electronic workbench where you build a circuit in the same way as you do today, but with the end-result being a circuit board.
- A circuit would still use the same components and have to be designed in the same way, but once completed and tested it would be compacted into a single block.
- A circuit block would have 4 active sides (North/South/East/West) where the internal circuitry can connect.
The only difference between what we do today and one of this circuits is... space. No longer will you have to build a massive structure to do a simple job. The structure just gets stuffed into one circuit-board block.
I have just released a mod today which tackles this problem in a slightly different manner.
Instead of building the circuit on a circuit board using regular redstone wires and torches, you mark outputs in a truth table. This has the benefit of being a lot quicker to compute (replacing hierarchical circuit simulation with a table lookup, i.e. less lag), it is a lot more compact to store (only requires a TileEntity of 5 bytes) and in my opinion easier to use as well.
My mod roughly works like this:
You craft and place a Redstone Gate block (3x3 redstone dust pattern)
You mark up to five sides of the block (North/South/East/West/Top/Bottom) as input.
Per output side you flag the input combinations for which you want that output to turn on. The table of input combinations is automatically generated.
The two demo videos available in my mod release thread show how this block can reduce the size of redstone circuitry.
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I'm still looking for more feedback on my configurable Redstone Gate mod. All gates and common circuits (such as e.g. clocks, edge detectors, latches and Flip-Flops) in a single block.
My idea is a block that is a AND, OR, XOR, etc. gate all in 1 block. It would look like this:
brick : redstone powder stuff
torch : redstone torch
[] []
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[]
That would be an AND gate or something, for example. This would save people ALOT of space.
The recipe you showed is really an over sized nor-gate.
= redstone
= redstone torch
is more of an and-gate.
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and gates are probably the second easiest gates to make, next to an inverter. I MAYBE could see t flip flops being compressed (very space consuming. I still don't know how it works, I just followed a video) So I don't want to see and, or, not (that already is as small as you can get), or really any gates. I can't wire up an elevator or a calculator, but I can wire a door to a button, make a couple simple gates, and That's all i need.
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You can't make metre cubed pieces of rock get jiggy with each other, that's just WRONG.
brick : redstone powder stuff
torch : redstone torch
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That would be an AND gate or something, for example. This would save people ALOT of space.
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Let's not make things too simple.
[horribleidea]
If you can take an arrangement of redstuff like that and compress it into a single block to act as a logic gate, why can't you put more logic gates together to create even more compressed circuits? And then, recursively, combine those components into smaller components? This would lead to microchips! Instead of laying out giant circuits, you can compress it into a single block.[/horribleidea]
Uhh "without even knwoing what it is or how it works?" You don't need to know how a gate works to just look at a picture on the forum or wiki and build from that... also the picture usually has some text next to it telling you what a gate does... and what would be the point of crafting something if you don't know what it does. So if you had a wire that needs to be inverted, you would craft an and gate? not really, you would have to know what it does..
On-Topic: Yeah this really wouldn't work seeing as some gates are bigger then 3x3. Also the problem of gates with multiple outputs/inputs because how would you know where to connect the wire if the whole gate was only 1 block.
Having the CHOICE of crafting basic 1-block logic gates wouldn't mean you couldn't keep doing the big fancy gates in 'longhand' as well, it could just be a really useful option if space is otherwise limited. And the different faces of the block could be labeled directly with in/output symbols.
This would be an elegant way to begin extending the tech tree.
My suggestion is very similar to this but I still may make it as a seperate suggestion...but for now lets put it here with this and see what you all think.
I think, as stated..ppl should know what and why they make a certain thing. Also it should take as much material and time to make it as it does right now. But how about if you can craft an empty circuit board to use, then click the board and you get say 16x16x16 say it allows 4 inputs or outputs ( N,E,S and W). Go to edit mode and you build it just like you do now. Now go to town, stuffing this board with whatever you want. When youre done you stick the block down and connect up your four wires. It will act as if the whole structure you just made is there..but in a single block.
Id also like to respond to this:
There is a big difference here! Sure you can look at all the gates and build them, but how long does it take (and how many tries does it take) to realize...oh i need to use a "whatever" here. If I could just make 5 different things, nearly instantly and try them all out..id have no idea why that thing just did the job i needed it to do. Also stacking them requires alot of planning and thought. The time it takes to get an end result SHOULD NOT CHANGE. In the end, YOU thought this through, YOU laid it out, YOU messed up....... YOU tried again and made it work. That result is YOURS. So, Congrats! :smile.gif:
So theres my suggestion. I think it addresses the space issue, and will not ruin the game play.
This is a much better alternative.
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That's right! Why make things accessible? Redstone should only be used by the elite.
Seriously now, I support this idea. I believe that we could "compress" at least some of the most basic gates (NOT,OR) to enable basic redstone use for begginers/people who don't want to read pages and pages of rather complex tutorials.
There are too many possibilities for there to be cookie-cutter circuit blocks.
= redstone dust
= gunpowder (don't ask)
= redstone transistor
A redstone transistor is a block that looks like a red half-step with a gray stripe down the middle. This is because a transistor is the most important piece of a modern logic gate, and is two N-type semiconductors with a p-type in the middle. They can also act as not gates with the input on one side and the output on the other, and work both ways.
Then you can craft these together to make logic gates, but logic gates are 3x3x3 blocks of some specified pattern on a block. There are 8 logic gates possible:
= transistor
= redstone torch
= switch
= stone
not gate (no crafting required, not gates are only made of one transistor)
or gate
and gate
nor gate
nand gate
xor gate
xnor gate
toggle gate
- Have an electronic workbench where you build a circuit in the same way as you do today, but with the end-result being a circuit board.
- A circuit would still use the same components and have to be designed in the same way, but once completed and tested it would be compacted into a single block.
- A circuit block would have 4 active sides (North/South/East/West) where the internal circuitry can connect.
The only difference between what we do today and one of this circuits is... space. No longer will you have to build a massive structure to do a simple job. The structure just gets stuffed into one circuit-board block.
Instead of building the circuit on a circuit board using regular redstone wires and torches, you mark outputs in a truth table. This has the benefit of being a lot quicker to compute (replacing hierarchical circuit simulation with a table lookup, i.e. less lag), it is a lot more compact to store (only requires a TileEntity of 5 bytes) and in my opinion easier to use as well.
My mod roughly works like this:
I'm still looking for more feedback on my configurable Redstone Gate mod. All gates and common circuits (such as e.g. clocks, edge detectors, latches and Flip-Flops) in a single block.
The recipe you showed is really an over sized nor-gate.
= redstone
= redstone torch
is more of an and-gate.
Why does everyone think I don't have an avatar? Is there anyone who can see the one black pixel.
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