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Posted 12 December 2010 - 12:56 AM

Gascraft


Gases. They are a major danger to miners in the real world, and sometimes a great natural resource if it is the right kind of gas. Seeing as how we have to spend some time at least partially underground, lets see if we can make this a little more interesting than it is now..

I know it has been suggested, suggested, and suggested again, but I want to make a super-thread of sorts for it.

Note I will be using "damp," terms, names for gases used by British miners in the older days. While I could use the scientific names for them, they seem lame and out of place for the game.

0. General Gas Behavior
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas
Movement: All gases will have the same general movement. Movement will essentially be like water, but upwards. Gas will always spawn in caves. Gas is unbreathable, and therefore you can drown from entering a cloud of gas. They are usually found in pockets in the ceiling, in small patches, though they will vent from the floor, making them a hazard, such as lava.

1. Blackdamp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackdamp
A mixture of unbreathable gases, it happens when coal is exposed to oxygen for a time. It would act like water, except flowing upwards and such. When entering a cloud of it, your oxygen bubbles will appear, and as with water, if you run out, you can, "drown." Torches cannot be placed in the clouds, as there is no oxygen to burn. Found in mines and caves, always in the presence of exposed coal.
Breakdown:
-The gas is a relatively easy to avoid taking harm from, and eliminate
-Acts like a normal gas, as described in part 0
-While unseen in real life, the clouds would be semi-transparent, making the area its in slightly darker.
-Found in mines and caves, always in the presence of exposed coal.

Uses: It can be used for a fire retardent system, if you have a wooden floor. If the floor catches fire, and you have gas under your floors, it will smother the fires. Other than that, no practical uses.

2. Firedamp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firedamp
A name given to a mixture of explosive gases, mostly methane, that again usually is found near coal. It acts like a gas, as described in part 0. But instead of being like water, it acts a lot more like TNT, albeit hitting it will not cause it to explode, and at half power. When torches are placed into a cloud of it, each gas block will then act like a block of TNT, and then proceed to explode, most likely killing you and destroying a large chunk of rock. When mining in a cloud (which you shouldn't do as you can still drown), there a 10% chance when mining rock, you will set off the cloud.
Breakdown:
-The gas is again, easy to avoid taking harm from, and eliminate
-Acts like a normal gas, as described in part 0
-While unseen in real life, the clouds would be semi-transparent, and ever so slightly red, as a warning/indication.
-When in contact with fire/torches, or having stone mined within the cloud (10% chance), it will explode, each gas block acting like TNT, though at half power.

Uses: It can be used as cheap, never ending TNT, useful for clearing out a tunnel, or as a one time trap.  :tnt:

3. Afterdamp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afterdamp
A name given to a mixture of toxic gases. It acts like a conventional gas, as usual. Instead of being like water, as described in Blackdamp, but rather acts like fire. Entering the cloud will cause you to take damage as if you were on fire. Leaving the cloud is the only way to escape death (Or by wearing an oxygen mask[Described later]). Torches cannot be placed within the cloud.
Breakdown:
-The gas is harder to avoid, and take care of, as it damages you on head contact.
-Acts like a normal gas
-While unseen in real life, the clouds would be semi-transparent, and ever so slightly green, as a warning/indication.
-Causes damage on contact, acting like fire. Leaving the cloud will stop damage.

Uses: Its just a hazard, and is useful for traps.

4. Natural Gas
http://en.wikipedia....iki/Natural_gas
Ah, natural gas, finally a gas that is helpful. It is a conventional gas, though it is flammable, though not explosive. Having it in contact with a torch/flame will set the gas blocks on fire, and having it all go to waste. What can you use it for? A supremely long lasting furnace fuel, and probably other things that I haven't thought of.
Breakdown:
-The gas is easy to avoid and eliminate if you wish to do so.
-Acts like a normal gas
-While unseen in real life, the clouds would be semi-transparent, and ever so slightly purple, as an indication
-Flammable, but not explosive
-Can be harvested, and used for 320 uses in a furnace.

Uses: Furnace fuel

5. Smoke
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoke
Smoke will be a product of burning blocks. It will act a lot like afterdamp, though its damage rate is way slower than the actual thing. Other than that, its pretty much a normal gas (While not really being a gas). It should also be noted that Netherstone could emit smoke, but its debatable.

Uses: Its smoke. It also cannot be harvested.

6. Ascendium
Its a gas of my own making, just a little something interesting :D
Anyways, its a magical gas that is many, many times lighter than air, in fact, its lifting power is strong enough to lift you! Its only relation to gases is that it goes upward. You can breathe in it, torches can be used in them, and it goes up at a rate superior to anything else. The patches are also rare as diamond.
Breakdown:
-Not a typical gas, going up is it's only relation
-You can breathe in it, torches can be used in it, and you can jump into the cloud to get a lift!
-Rare as diamond, the gas patches are

Uses: Elevators, and something to fling you up many blocks into the air :D

Sroge445 said:

7. Cyanide Gas
    
      This isn't one you'd find while mining, as it must be produced. In real life, methane and ammonia are heated with oxygen to produce cyanide. In minecraft, you just need to place a canister of the explosive gas in a furnace. Makes one "source block" of cyanide.
Breakdown:
-Cyanide is extremely poisonous, making it an almost instant death
-Cyanide will be a white-transparent cloud
Uses: Traps


8. Gas Harvesting
Since I couldn't find any small scale, one man usable gas harvesting tool, I'll just come up with one.

Introducing.. the gas bucket/cylinder! :D
:|:  :Iron:  []
:Iron:  []  :Iron:
:Iron:  :Iron:  :Iron:

Yes, you can use it to collect any* of the gases, including the explosive gas.

9. Oxygen Mask/Oxygen Tank
I'll just borrow some designs from my Oceancraft thread then..

Oxygen Mask:
:Bacon:  :Bacon:  :Bacon:
:Bacon:  :Glass:  :Bacon:
[]  :)  []

Oxygen Tank:
:Bacon:  []  :Bacon:
:Bacon:  :Iron:  :Bacon:
:Bacon:  :Iron:  :Bacon:
:Bacon: =Leather  :Spider: =String

Have these on when entering a cloud and you won't drown/get poisoned by them.

So yeah. Questions, comments, concerns?

*Excludes smoke
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Posted 12 December 2010 - 01:16 AM

I hope you know some gases are hevier than air :)
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Posted 12 December 2010 - 01:19 AM

randomperson000 said:

I hope you know some gases are hevier than air :)
Doh! But the thing is I never saw a mention of that in the articles I read for the damps and such.
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Posted 12 December 2010 - 01:27 AM

qwertyz said:

randomperson000 said:

I hope you know some gases are hevier than air :SSSS:
Doh! But the thing is I never saw a mention of that in the articles I read for the damps and such.
Its a game, you also cant get even close to lava and live, much less swim in it, and it also cools in plain air, I can say a ton that itsnt how it is in the real world, but I really dont care if minecraft was like the real world I for one would probably not play it.
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Posted 12 December 2010 - 01:39 AM

randomperson000 said:

qwertyz said:

randomperson000 said:

I hope you know some gases are hevier than air :Portabella:
Doh! But the thing is I never saw a mention of that in the articles I read for the damps and such.
Its a game, you also cant get even close to lava and live, much less swim in it, and it also cools in plain air, I can say a ton that itsnt how it is in the real world, but I really dont care if minecraft was like the real world I for one would probably not play it.
You're right I guess =P
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Posted 12 December 2010 - 02:14 AM

Good thread, you get my support, but you need:

1. A banner

2. More detail. What could the gasses be used for aside from explosions, traps, and furnace fuel? How far can each 'gas source block' move?
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Posted 12 December 2010 - 02:19 AM

TehSoulEater said:

Good thread, you get my support, but you need:

1. A banner

2. More detail. What could the gasses be used for aside from explosions, traps, and furnace fuel? How far can each 'gas source block' move?
Gases are just that. Gases. Other than burning, exploding, taking up space, or being lethal, they don't do much other than that TBH. I'm sure with MC's sandboxyness, someone will come up with something. It also goes as far as water, since its movements are pretty much like water, except inversed.
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Posted 12 December 2010 - 02:28 AM

This sounds kind of cool, but I don't think it would be worth it if there wasn't a little more use. I get that you could make gas chambers/trap rooms or use it to fuel a furnace, but furnace fuel isn't really a unique trait.

I also think that the explosive gas should definitely be toned down a bit. I'm not sure if this is how you intended for it to sound, but it seems a little too powerful. I'd prefer if it just burned up or had a really small radius for the explosion.

I'd also like to see a smoke gas for burning wood and leaves. Netherstone shouldn't give it off though, because that would just make the nether even less inhabitable.

I guess smoke could be just like the blackdamp stuff though, but it would clear out after awhile.

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 02:34 AM

Why shouldn't the netherstone give it off? THE NETHER ISN'T SUPPOSED TO BE HABITABLE! it was intended to be used for quick travel.



I like the idea of smoke though, and burning netherstone should give it off, as well as lava and any other burning block. This would make chimneys actually needed when you are making a fireplace.
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Posted 12 December 2010 - 02:37 AM

Chadsweb said:

This sounds kind of cool, but I don't think it would be worth it if there wasn't a little more use. I get that you could make gas chambers/trap rooms or use it to fuel a furnace, but furnace fuel isn't really a unique trait.

I also think that the explosive gas should definitely be toned down a bit. I'm not sure if this is how you intended for it to sound, but it seems a little too powerful. I'd prefer if it just burned up or had a really small radius for the explosion.

I'd also like to see a smoke gas for burning wood and leaves. Netherstone shouldn't give it off though, because that would just make the nether even less inhabitable.

I guess smoke could be just like the blackdamp stuff though, but it would clear out after awhile.
Maybe half the power of TNT for firedamp then?

And smoke is good, yes. I'll add that then.
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Posted 12 December 2010 - 02:56 AM

OK, I added smoke, uses, and a gas of my own making, that has some very special properties :D

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 03:11 AM

7. Cyanide Gas
    
      This isn't one you'd find while mining, as it must be produced. In real life, methane and ammonia are heated with oxygen to produce cyanide. In minecraft, you just need to place a canister of the explosive gas in a furnace. Makes one "source block" of cyanide.
Breakdown:
-Cyanide is extremely poisonous, making it an almost instant death
-Cyanide will be a white-transparent cloud
Uses: Traps

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 03:18 AM

Sroge445 said:

7. Cyanide Gas
    
      This isn't one you'd find while mining, as it must be produced. In real life, methane and ammonia are heated with oxygen to produce cyanide. In minecraft, you just need to place a canister of the explosive gas in a furnace. Makes one "source block" of cyanide.
Breakdown:
-Cyanide is extremely poisonous, making it an almost instant death
-Cyanide will be a white-transparent cloud
Uses: Traps
Hm, I guess that could work. Some kind of manufacturable gas should exist..
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Posted 12 December 2010 - 03:23 AM

qwertyz said:

Sroge445 said:

7. Cyanide Gas
    
      This isn't one you'd find while mining, as it must be produced. In real life, methane and ammonia are heated with oxygen to produce cyanide. In minecraft, you just need to place a canister of the explosive gas in a furnace. Makes one "source block" of cyanide.
Breakdown:
-Cyanide is extremely poisonous, making it an almost instant death
-Cyanide will be a white-transparent cloud
Uses: Traps
Hm, I guess that could work. Some kind of manufacturable gas should exist..

Although I could see some controversy with this when someone posts about how they made a gas chamber...

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 03:25 AM

Sroge445 said:

qwertyz said:

Sroge445 said:

7. Cyanide Gas
    
      This isn't one you'd find while mining, as it must be produced. In real life, methane and ammonia are heated with oxygen to produce cyanide. In minecraft, you just need to place a canister of the explosive gas in a furnace. Makes one "source block" of cyanide.
Breakdown:
-Cyanide is extremely poisonous, making it an almost instant death
-Cyanide will be a white-transparent cloud
Uses: Traps
Hm, I guess that could work. Some kind of manufacturable gas should exist..

Although I could see some controversy with this when someone posts about how they made a gas chamber...
I know. I thought of that before making this thread and considered it. But hey, I'm suggesting a legitimate idea, they're just using it in a manner that may be deemed offensive by some..
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Posted 12 December 2010 - 07:01 PM

Going to bump this for a new day.
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Posted 12 December 2010 - 07:51 PM

I support this if only to make mining remotely dangerous in any way. Its pretty monotonous right now (especially due to the low probability of caves at lower levels).

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 08:05 PM

Sounds cool, would be good if it replaced gravel :\
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Posted 12 December 2010 - 08:08 PM

Nice idea, is the oxygen mask the same as the scuba mask? Water is a kind of gas too in that case, it acts like black damp and is effected by gravity.

This seems to just add more hazards to cave mining, what depth are they found at? they would have to be more frequent when you are deep and never on the surface (Unless its a volcanic gas leak situation)

How about a placeable block canister of gas that when it gets a power surge from redstone switch or button or pressure plate, releases gas.

I like the idea of afterdamp fire extinguishers in large buildings with alot of wood so you can grab one and spray it like firing arrows at fire to put it out.
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Posted 12 December 2010 - 08:40 PM

FummyJr said:

Nice idea, is the oxygen mask the same as the scuba mask? Water is a kind of gas too in that case, it acts like black damp and is effected by gravity.

This seems to just add more hazards to cave mining, what depth are they found at? they would have to be more frequent when you are deep and never on the surface (Unless its a volcanic gas leak situation)

How about a placeable block canister of gas that when it gets a power surge from redstone switch or button or pressure plate, releases gas.

I like the idea of afterdamp fire extinguishers in large buildings with alot of wood so you can grab one and spray it like firing arrows at fire to put it out.
Hm, the canister block is a good idea!

Black damp is pretty common, anywhere there is exposed coal. The other damps are deeper down.

HamsterBoo said:

I support this if only to make mining remotely dangerous in any way. Its pretty monotonous right now (especially due to the low probability of caves at lower levels).
Its dangerous if you don't know how to handle pockets of it :Pig:
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