It was supposed to start 48 minutes ago. Since then, 10 missiles have hit Israel. Media is being very quiet.
Achilles, on 21 November 2012 - 08:03 AM, said:
Aww, how cute. The children are signing the bombs to be flown off to Lebanon. Probabally to some school, no doubt.
So, let's recap.
HAMAS wovs to wipe Israel off the map, uses rockets and suicide bombers on civilians, tortures and kills dissenters or suspected spies within its borders, holds its own people and infrastructure hostage by waging war out of apartment buildings, hospitals schools, and public buildings, attacks aid shipments to Palestine if the aid organizations don't pay "protection", and refuse to care properly for inhabitants of their refugee camps, preferring that the residents stay refugees for propaganda value...
Israeli children... write on bombs (after hiding in bunkers from shells for five days).
Why does 10% of the United States foreign aid go to 0.11% of the worlds population? 8.5 million taxpayer dollars every day to this country.
No clue. Ask them.
All because it's the "Holy Land" and the Jews are God's "Chosen People". Give me a freaking break.
Schmoople, on 22 November 2012 - 01:40 PM, said:
Well it's not like the hate has been unwarranted. Israel has oppressed Palestine for many years, the Palestinians are just resisting that oppression.
The war with Israel started pretty much the same day the nation was founded (after a UN resolution passed with a huge majority vote). The Palestinians, and the other neighbouring nations, have pretty much been hostile since -- completely unprovoked.
As for the current "oppression" of the Palestinian people -- for one thing, Israel is one of the biggest providers of aid to Palestine
), and secondly, the wall and blockade and responses to terrorism, not the other way around. They have also proved massively successful -- the border wall, for one, reduced the number of suicide attacks by 90%. Playing nice, however, such as by retreating to give territory (such as Gaza) to Palestinians, has only ever resulted in heightened Palestinian aggression.
I just can't see how the Palestinian people is "oppressed". They have average living standards, receive a constant stream of aid from the outside world, and... oh, blow themselves up in public places and shoot rockets at civilian areas as far away as 75 km from their borders. Trying to kill as many civilians as you can is hardly "resisting oppression" in any way. Except if you define "oppression" as "massive amounts of foreign aid", in which case, yes, HAMAS is quite good at resisting them.
It baffles me how many people can shun terrorism (such as July 22nd) and cheer peaceful solutions such as Gandhi's liberation of India or the Afro-Americans' civil rights movement, but then all of a sudden when Jews are the victims of terrorists it's all "but they're just defending their country!!11eleventy"
. It's very disturbing.
Trecked, on 26 November 2012 - 05:42 PM, said:
I support Palestine in this, the war crimes committed are terrible these days.
Which? Name one. It would also be nice if you could support your examples with relevant references from the Geneva Conventions. I'm waiting
Meanwhile, in the real world, Israel's military has a better track record when it comes to sparing civilian lives than NATO
Oh, and I find it funny that you can oppose war crimes and
support Palestine at the same time.
Ratmancer, on 30 November 2012 - 06:00 AM, said:
It sickens me when Iran is brandished a rogue state when Israel and the United States are picturesque ideals of a rogue state.
a rogue state, red herrings about Israel and the USA notwithstanding.
They say the two state solution will prevent peace, with direct negotiations the only the key? The negotiating tables have been open for 60 years, Israel was obviously far too busy ignoring international treaties and infringing human rights.
Meanwhile in reality, polls consistently show that Israel is quite willing to withdraw, yield a significant amount of its territory to Palestine, and recognize a sovereign Palestinian state.
Diplomatic solutions are kind of difficult to achieve when the other side is hell-bent on destroying you. We saw how well "Peace in our time" worked in 1939.
As much as the world would benefit from a world globe without the horrible black mark of Israel covering the true Palestinian state, it won't happen in my lifetime. All I can hope for is that the Israelis and Arabs attempt come to some form of understanding as sovereign equals, though I fear even this is out of the question.
Yeah, how horrible that the Jews think they can have their own country like everyone else. The world was far better when they lived scattered all over the world to be oppressed, persecuted, and killed by the millions :3
Regardless, we can all celebrate Palestine's upgrade to non-member observer state.
I remain ambivalent.
A friend of mine was on the first Irish aid flotilla to Gaza
Then your friend is a bloody idiot.
the one that was hijacked illegally by Israeli commandos.
The one crewed by a freak show of "peace activists", terrorists, communists, parents who for some inexplicable reason brough their children to a ship tasked with running a naval blockade, and whatever other useful idiots that could be rounded up. The one where the crew attacked and tried to kill Israeli navy commandos after they boarded the ship for inspection (after making it very clear it would be allowed to go on after inspection, if no weapons or other contraband was found on board), and then cried bloody murder when the Israelis responded with deadly force like anyone else would -- after
several of them had been injured with, among other things, kitchen knives.
The one that only carried supplies that equalled 1% of the shipments sent to Palestine daily
at the time, and thus would never have succeeded in making a difference anyhow.
I wonder if your friend was among the useful idiots, or if he "defended Palestine" by throwing himself at an Israeli serviceman with a kitchen knife.