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[El_Alamein]

Travis, on 18 November 2012 - 08:01 PM, said:

Why not?


That much is clear.

if i hate on it, i get killed

[Travis]

El_Alamein, on 18 November 2012 - 08:02 PM, said:

if i hate on it, i get killed

Communism advocates no such thing.

[El_Alamein]

Travis, on 18 November 2012 - 08:04 PM, said:

Communism advocates no such thing.

Then why did so many people die?

[Travis]

El_Alamein, on 18 November 2012 - 08:05 PM, said:

Then why did so many people die?

Didn't we already make it clear that the USSR wasn't communist?

[El_Alamein]

Travis, on 18 November 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

Didn't we already make it clear that the USSR wasn't communist?

socialism is the same thing

[Travis]

El_Alamein, on 18 November 2012 - 08:10 PM, said:

socialism is the same thing

It wasn't socialist and it isn't the same thing at all.

[El_Alamein]

Travis, on 18 November 2012 - 08:11 PM, said:

It wasn't socialist and it isn't the same thing at all.

Then communism failed. people tried to establishj communism but as we can see it's impossible

[AramilTheElf]

El_Alamein, on 18 November 2012 - 08:10 PM, said:

socialism is the same thing

Didn't we make it clear that it isn't socialist either? And that Socialism isn't the same thing?

[Travis]

El_Alamein, on 18 November 2012 - 08:14 PM, said:

Then communism failed. people tried to establishj communism but as we can see it's impossible

No. What part of Stalin was a power-hungry paranoid lunatic don't you understand?

[AramilTheElf]

El_Alamein, on 18 November 2012 - 08:14 PM, said:

Then communism failed. people tried to establishj communism but as we can see it's impossible

They didn't try to establish communism, they tried Stalinism, which is not even close to Communism. Your evidence is also extremely anecdotal. Because one person tried it, and failed, it's therefore impossible? Tell that to all the people before the Wright Brothers.

[El_Alamein]

AramilTheElf, on 18 November 2012 - 08:15 PM, said:

They didn't try to establish communism, they tried Stalinism, which is not even close to Communism. Your evidence is also extremely anecdotal. Because one person tried it, and failed, it's therefore impossible? Tell that to all the people before the Wright Brothers.

I thought the whole nation wanted communism not jut Lenon

Travis, on 18 November 2012 - 08:15 PM, said:

No. What part of Stalin was a power-hungry paranoid lunatic don't you understand?

why did they allowe hmi to be a ruler? why not get in there and assasinate him or somehghi

[Travis]

El_Alamein, on 18 November 2012 - 08:18 PM, said:

I thought the whole nation wanted communism not jut Lenon

The nation probably wanted actual communism. Lenin might have, but he died far too early for us to ever know. After Lenin, power-hungry paranoid lunatics like Stalin took over and it became Stalinist until it was dismantled in the 80's.

[AramilTheElf]

El_Alamein, on 18 November 2012 - 08:18 PM, said:

I thought the whole nation wanted communism not jut Lenon

They may have wanted Communism, but that's not what Stalin gave them. Lenin was closer to Communism, and less crazy, but his ideals still weren't Communism.

[El_Alamein]

Travis, on 18 November 2012 - 08:19 PM, said:

The nation probably wanted actual communism. Lenin might have, but he died far too early for us to ever know. After Lenin, power-hungry paranoid lunatics like Stalin took over and it became Stalinist until it was dismantled in the 80's.

why not kill him?

[Travis]

El_Alamein, on 18 November 2012 - 08:20 PM, said:

why not kill him?

Are you just going to keep running in circles? We already went over this.

[El_Alamein]

Travis, on 18 November 2012 - 08:21 PM, said:

Are you just going to keep running in circles? We already went over this.

nonononon. you did not tell me, why didnt people unite and killl stalin?

[Sting_Auer]

El_Alamein, on 18 November 2012 - 08:23 PM, said:

nonononon. you did not tell me, why didnt people unite and killl stalin?

Because Stalin had the support the military and the people weren't organized enough or powerful enough to start another revolution. They had just come out of a revolution, they didn't want to start another one and cause more deaths.

[Travis]

El_Alamein, on 18 November 2012 - 08:23 PM, said:

nonononon. you did not tell me, why didnt people unite and killl stalin?

I'll repeat:
- Those who had power (military, politicians) were benefiting from Stalin's rule. So, no weapons on the population's side, lots of weapons on Stalin's side.
- Furthermore, fear-mongering made it frightening to even think about opposing Stalin's rule.
- Finally, the secret police killed a lot of people who did oppose Stalin.

[AramilTheElf]

El_Alamein, on 18 November 2012 - 08:23 PM, said:

nonononon. you did not tell me, why didnt people unite and killl stalin?

Travis, on 18 November 2012 - 07:41 PM, said:

Because the people who could have overthrown him were benefiting from his rule.

[El_Alamein]

AramilTheElf, on 18 November 2012 - 08:29 PM, said:

yeah but only like 10%. what about other unhappy 90%