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#1

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 10:19 PM

ballista
info: this is a heavy mounted weapon that players can make it can be used like a mine-cart or a boat but it is not mobile. this weapon must be loaded the same way that you place records in the jukebox. it has to variants iron and wood. the wooden v of it can only hold one missile . the iron v can hold 4 and can be wired with red-stone to automatically fire at targets.

crafting: large parts here

Missile
[] [] []
:Iron: :Iron: {SMILIES_PATH}/flintnsteel.png
[] [] []

barrel part one
: :RFlower: =iron block
: :YFlower: =string
[] [] [] / [] [] []
:RFlower: :RFlower: :RFlower: / :wood: :wood: :wood:
:Pig: :YFlower: [] / :Furnace: :YFlower: []

barrel part 2
[] [] [] / [] [] []
:RFlower: :RFlower: :Iron: / :wood: :wood: :|:
[] [] [] / [] [] []

base
[] :Furnace: []
:wood: :wood: :wood:
:Iron: [] :Iron:

the ballista its self
:Furnace:=barrel part one
:Bench: =barrel part 2
:brick: =base

[] [] []
[] :Furnace: :Bench:
[] :Notch: []
the barrel part 2 is the back side of the ballista barrel part one is the front.
notes:
*the ballista is a heavy damage weapon as it deals 5 damage with each hit, but it fires one every 10 seconds (iron only) or as fast as you can get out load it and get back in.
*the missiles for the ballista can NOT be stacked
*the ballista's missiles shatter on a miss spawning a peace of iron and flint.
*red-stone wired ballistas have a 50% chance of missing each shot making player mounted ballistas better over all.

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#2

noneyet77

Posted 22 November 2010 - 05:13 AM

Yo just look up the  Sentry turret mod it's not done yet but it will be relest soon it's pretty close to what your talking about
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Posted 24 November 2010 - 12:30 AM

noneyet77 said:

Yo just look up the  Sentry turret mod it's not done yet but it will be relest soon it's pretty close to what your talking about

No it isn't.

Not even remotely close.

A ballista is a giant cannon/catapult that fires huge balls (or blocks) of what ever.
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Posted 24 November 2010 - 12:36 AM

Being able to create a heavy weapon to mount on walls of a fort that can be fired completely remotely at a %50 success rate? Sounds like it would make defenses a lot more interesting, that's for sure. Looking at your recipe for a bolt, I assume that it will have a flaming tip? Or are you stating that the tip will use the flint and steel because it is composite?

In the former case, would the bolt be able to set fire to grass and trees adjacent to the point of impact? And will it have enough force behind it to leave a small impact crater, or merely shatter?

EDIT:

Looking back at your proposed recipe for the components of the weapon, I noticed that you appear to be missing string. How would the proposed ballista fire a bolt without the tension, or will to function more along the lines of a cannon?

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Posted 24 November 2010 - 01:00 AM

It needs string yes but i couldn't find a place to fit it on the crafting slot.

on the bolt it  uses the flint and steal as a composite, but a flaming bolt would be cool. would need a good crafting recipe though.

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Posted 24 November 2010 - 01:04 AM

Alright. Perhaps the flaming bolt could look like this:
  []  []  {SMILIES_PATH}/flintnsteel.png
:D  :Iron:  :)
[]  []  []
The  :) indicates wool from a sheep, I couldn't seem to find it in my cursory glance over the smilies. The idea being you place the wool(cloth) over the bolt and light it on fire.

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Posted 27 November 2010 - 11:22 PM

Tycholarfero said:

A ballista is a giant cannon/catapult that fires huge balls (or blocks) of what ever.
A ballista is a giant crossbow that fires javalins.

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Posted 27 November 2010 - 11:28 PM

Glyph255 said:

Tycholarfero said:

A ballista is a giant cannon/catapult that fires huge balls (or blocks) of what ever.
A ballista is a giant crossbow that fires javalins.

Yeah, this thing:
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Posted 28 November 2010 - 01:44 AM

seems too complicated and has too low of a firing rate to work well.

I think that you should be able to load it from the inside, as well as stack the ammunition that is stored inside the ballista.

It should have a limited firing rate, bu not one every 10 seconds. That is horridly slow. I would rather just use my bow.


I feel that it would only work if very large enemies are added that have a lot of health, or if it is made to be able to destroy 1 block per shot, allowing you to siege other peoples castles in multiplayer.
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#10

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 12:47 AM

The recipe for this is overly complicated, and the benefits do not out way the cost of producing it. I agree with other peoples assessments that it should retooled. first off the bat, a ballista is a large crossbow, able to fire javelins. As such, you "missiles" are way to expensive, especially for what are essentially javelins.

so to start. the ammo should be like this.
[]  []   :Iron:  
[]  :wood:  []  = 4x javelins.
:wood:  []  []

for those wanting some flaming ammo

[]  []  :--+:
[]  :wood:  [] = 4x flaming javelins.
:wood:  []  []

and for a slightly weaker, or alternative method of javelin ammo,

[]  []  :Glass:
  [] :wood:  []  = 2x javelins. (Weaker materials makes less ammo)
:wood:  []  []

the actual construction of the ballista should be done in two parts, the base, and the launcher.

:Logs^:  :Iron:  :Iron:
:Iron:  :Logs^:  {SMILIES_PATH}/feather.png]" title="-<->" /> = launcher (where  {SMILIES_PATH}/feather.png]" title="-<->" /> = string)
:Iron:  {SMILIES_PATH}/feather.png]" title="-<->" />  :Logs^:

[]  :Iron:  []
:wood:  :Logs^:  :wood:  = base (for mounting the launcher)
:wood:  :wood:  :wood:

[]  :White:
[]  :P = ballista (where  :White: = launcher, and  :Orange: = base)

then there could be an ammo feed system where you can store ammo. when placed against a ballista will just feed all ammo in it to the ballista.

[]  :wood:  :wood:
:Iron:  []  :wood: = ammo crate. (Will have a 3x3 "chest" that holds only javelins)
:wood:  :wood:  :wood:

other things to note. just right clicking on the on the ballista, mounts you in the ballista. right clicking will reload the ballista from either your inventory, or from an adjacent ammo crate.

the ballista can only fire one bolt every 2 seconds and does either 1 blocks worth of damage, or 5 hearts worth.

the javelins are as fast as an arrow.

there should be no automated ballistas, ever. most real life ballistas required two man crew to man them and to have the mechanism needed to be reset after every use. I will contend that if you do want some fancy technology for a ballistas, then using the principle of the Chinese repeating crossbow, removing the need to click to reload.

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#11

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 07:24 PM

we could make a 4X4 crafting bench to make it.
make them seperate but the 4X4 required.
then the 4X4 could also be used for other mods,


4x4 crafting for it:
  :VV:=string

  :log:  :wood:  :wood:  :wood:
:wood: :log:    :Spider:  []
:wood:  :Spider:  :log:  []
:wood:  []  []   :log:

string might need moving?

this makes a balista top= :)

balista=

[] :Pig: []
[]  :log:  []
:log:  :Pig:  :log:


furnace might be replaced with a log?

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 08:07 AM

[quote name="Dakota2063"]The recipe for this is overly complicated, and the benefits do not out way the cost of producing it. I agree with other peoples assessments that it should retooled. first off the bat, a ballista is a large crossbow, able to fire javelins. As such, you "missiles" are way to expensive, especially for what are essentially javelins.

You do realize that a javelin is a missile weapon, hence the reason he named the ammunition "missile". However, I agree on the economical difficulty of his current ammunition plans. Oh, and as a suggestion for explosive ammunition to make it worth the low accuracy/fire rate:
  :Notch: :) ;)
[] :Notch: :Notch:
:Notch: [] :Notch:
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#13

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 01:04 PM

all this seems cool
(bookmarking)
I would suggest making a 5x5 crafting grid called a "smithbench"*
with this you could make the ballista

Smithbench recipe:
:Bench:  :Logs^:  :Bench:
:)  :Iron:  :Furnace:
:Bench:  :Logs^:  :Bench:
where all things are the actualla items except for  :Iron:  which is a block of iron
thus ensuring high cost for gettin the technology to make hi tech things with 5x5 crafting
all 5x5 crafting things use 1 fuel (10 seconds of fuel) to craft also

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it will obviously be CHOCOLATE ORE
used to make cocoa beans and CHOCOLATE CAKE and CHOCOLATE INGOTS
CHOCOLATE INGOTS will be used to make CHOCOLATE TOOLS which are obviously much stronger than diamond and also may be eaten if you are hungry.

#14

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Posted 15 January 2011 - 02:09 AM

Let me clear this up as you all seem to be confused, the diagram above is NOT a ballista, first its a scorpion another roman weapon but a much lighter one, second, a ballista use coiled rope under pressure to launch a lead or stone ball forward( this would be a great seige weapo, destroys like third power tnt), a scorpion is essentially a mounted crossbow and would fire arrows not javelines (by definition a javiline is at least 3 feet long and has no fletching) also these would both work fine and i agree it should be two detachable peices,
arrow
[]  :Iron:  []
[]  :|:  []
{SMILIES_PATH}/feather.png]" title="-<->" />  :|:  {SMILIES_PATH}/feather.png]" title="-<->" />

ball
:P  :cobblestone:
:cobblestone:  :cobblestone:

ballista top  :_: =string
:wood:  :wood:  :wood:
:|:  :_:  :|:
:wood:  :wood:  :wood:

scorpion top
:|:  :|:  :|:
:_:  :wood:   :_:
[]  :_:  []

base
[]  :wood:  []
[]  :wood:  []
:Iron:  :Iron:  :Iron:
also why not make them train mountable you could attach this to a car,
finely now is a good time to bring up a idea of mine, based on the greek creation stroy, why not have programmable henchmen you can make from nethermud and a rare gem called lifestone, anyway, those could be assinged to a launcher and control it and if they get killed it stops, that way its more ballanced, also a 3x3 storage hopper for rounds should come the with scorpion, ballista should take time to load each round

#15

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Posted 26 January 2011 - 02:03 AM

Dude, I know you suggested this back in October, but I think it's a great idea. what good is a fortress without some sort of huge artillery piece peering over the walls? (The dispensers are cool but they can't be pointed, which limits their use defensively.)

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Posted 26 January 2011 - 02:07 AM

I want this in SMP. And I will destroy and RULE THE WORLD! MWHAHAHAH!
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Posted 11 April 2011 - 12:19 PM

warbrand2 said:

ballista
info: this is a heavy mounted weapon that players can make it can be used like a mine-cart or a boat but it is not mobile. this weapon must be loaded the same way that you place records in the jukebox. it has to variants iron and wood. the wooden v of it can only hold one missile . the iron v can hold 4 and can be wired with red-stone to automatically fire at targets.

crafting: large parts here

Missile
[] [] []
:Iron: :Iron: {SMILIES_PATH}/flintnsteel.png
[] [] []

barrel part one
: :RFlower: =iron block
: :YFlower: =string
[] [] [] / [] [] []
:RFlower: :RFlower: :RFlower: / :wood: :wood: :wood:
:Furnace: :YFlower: [] / :Furnace: :YFlower: []

barrel part 2
[] [] [] / [] [] []
:RFlower: :RFlower: :Iron: / :wood: :wood: :|:
[] [] [] / [] [] []

base
[] :Furnace: []
:wood: :wood: :wood:
:Iron: [] :Iron:

the ballista its self
:Furnace:=barrel part one
:Bench: =barrel part 2
:) =base

[] [] []
[] :Furnace: :Bench:
[] :chestfront: []
the barrel part 2 is the back side of the ballista barrel part one is the front.
notes:
*the ballista is a heavy damage weapon as it deals 5 damage with each hit, but it fires one every 10 seconds (iron only) or as fast as you can get out load it and get back in.
*the missiles for the ballista can NOT be stacked
*the ballista's missiles shatter on a miss spawning a peace of iron and flint.
*red-stone wired ballistas have a 50% chance of missing each shot making player mounted ballistas better over all.

Ballista is really a good defense weapon
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#18

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Posted 29 April 2011 - 11:44 PM

Granted the nature of a ballista, I'd say either ramp up the firing rate or make the explosive power on impact similar to a creeper depending on the size (ie. are you thinking it'd take up like 1x2 on the ground or 4x4? The former seems kind of useless given dispensers, though)

The ballista is really a siege weapon, It's advantage lies in enviornment damage, or possibly taking out multiple foes simultaneously.

Even besides that, there really aren't any faction PvP servers (that I know of) big enough to support a level of warfare that uses ballistae.

That being said, I DO think that ballistae are freaking awesome, and would love to see this in the game. I just think that atm they would have very little use, being difficult to aim, and outmatched by either a dispenser or a bow and arrow in both performance and price.
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#19

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Posted 30 April 2011 - 01:50 AM

I thought I would like the concept, but the implementation of it really sucks.

For one thing, there is no reason to create a new kind of crafting table just to make one new item. If you aren't creative enough to fit what you want into a 3x3 grid, we don't hold out much hope for your ideas. Also, there's no reason to craft a base and a top separately. K.I.S.S. - keep it simple, stupid.

Ballista recipe:

[] {SMILIES_PATH}/feather.png]" title="-<->" />  []
:Notch: {SMILIES_PATH}/flintnsteel.png :Notch:
:Notch: :Notch: :log:

Sadly I don't have a bow smiley or iron block smiley -- that's what the feather and the iron ore are supposed to represent.

Javelin recipe:

[] :Notch: []
[] :Notch: []
[] :Notch: []

The above recipe yields 4 obsidian-tipped javelins. They are stackable to 16. Yes, that's expensive. But seige weapons should be.

Ballistae are mounted like a bed on two adjacent blocks. However, they cannot be moved; break them, and they drop an iron block, a bow, and two sticks (like a boat, breaking these will result in a net loss).

Once you right click to enter, you lay on your stomach. You have a 180-degree field of view that you can aim in. Each javelin has 1.5x the range of an arrow, and it's on fire. Fire rate is 1 per second (trust me, thats quite a long time). It deals 4 hearts of damage, and it has a 30% chance of setting the block or mob it hits on fire. If it hits a flammable block, flame will spread to the adjacent structure as if the block had been lit with flint and steel.

Javelins also have a chance of breaking the block they hit. They have a 15% chance of breaking grass, dirt, gravel, or sand, a 5% chance of breaking cobblestone or sandstone, a 2% chance of breaking smoothstone or stone half-blocks, and a 100% chance of breaking glass. They do not break flammable materials, ores, or other blocks. Broken blocks do not drop resources. If a javelin strikes TNT, the TNT is primed 100% of the time. Javelins are only recoverable only if they do not ignite or break the block they hit. Naturally, they aren't recoverable if they strike a mob or player.

The ballista has a 25% chance of being broken if struck by a javelin, but will not break if struck by arrows. However, the player is still vulnerable to arrows while prone.

This implementation only requires the addition of 2 new items. It makes the ballista useful for defense, siege, and mob killing, but it doesn't make it overpowered. A 4-walled castle with 2 ballistae on each wall would require quite a lot of resources: 21.6 logs, 80 iron, 8 flint, and 24 string.

Keeping a battery of 4 ballistae firing at full speed for a minute (thinking massive siege situation) would fire 240 javelins, at a cost of 60 obsidian and 30 logs.

All in all, expensive but not prohibitively so. Well-weighted for combat.

Added bonus (optional): javelins can be thrown by the player. They have half the range of arrows, don't catch anything on fire (unless, perhaps, the player is on fire), and deal 2 hearts of damage.

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Posted 30 April 2011 - 01:51 AM

I think it would be stuipid if it only hit 1 mob and then you had to reload and it does good damage, unless its CTF or something

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*Debate regarding combustion of molecules in reality in a thread for burning mossy cobblestone*

deathguardian97 said:

Let's suffice to say I don't think using frickin flint and steel is going to light moss on fire...

That would make a nice sig