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Dear Mojang: The swamps are STILL ugly


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Posted 19 November 2011 - 05:41 PM

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The purpose of this petition is two-fold:

1)Improve the current swamp biome transitions.

This can be done by editing the code of the overlay, or by getting rid of the overlay and inserting the new swamp coloration into the grasscolor.png. This would allow swamps to remain the color they are at present AND smooth the transitions.

2)Make the swamp overlay a png that can be edited with a texture pack.

This will not change the current color, if you like the swamps the way they are now. It will only allow us to change the color if we so desire using texture packs. There is no reason we should not be able to edit the overlay using a texture pack. None.


Dear Mojang:

With the release of 1.8 came a new biome type, the swamp biome. This watery terrain where trees grew submerged in shallow pools and vines hung thick from leaves was, to many a minecrafter, very beautiful.

But then came the first 1.9 pre-release, and suddenly our magical swamps became dark and gloomy, like something out of Mordor. Not only that, but the borders did not blend at all with the normal minecraft world- the black grass of the swamps cut like a knife edge across the soft natural colors of the surrounding biomes. The eerie green water also left a jagged border through the smooth blue oceans.

When we first saw this sudden change, we grimaced and cringed, but faithfully continued to believe that the dark purple swamp overlay would be fixed in a later pre-release version. Surely, surely, the good people at Mojang would have to realize just how truly hideous the swamps were. They must play their own game, after all.

1.9.2 came and went, then 1.9.3, then 1.9.4, then 1.9.5 and 1.9.6, and finally RC1 and RC2, and yet still the swamps remained as hideous and harsh as ever, sticking out like a sore thumb in the Minecraft terrain. The worst part was that they were completely unable to be changed by texture packs, as the purple overlay was written straight into the code of the game.  

Yet still, like the good fans that we are, we held out hope that the full release of Minecraft would finally bring a resolution to the swamp eyesore.

But now here we are, the day after the full release of Minecraft. And the swamps are still as ugly as they were the day the first 1.9 pre-release came out.

On behalf of each an every disappointed and disgruntled fan, I would like to present the people at Mojang with the following screenshots of the swamps as they appear in 1.0.0, for proof that our complaints are justified:

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In light of this evidence, I would like to respectfully request that the people of Mojang make the improvement of swamps a priority for the next update. The following two changes are imperative:

1) Smoother transitions between the swamps and surrounding biomes
2) Swamp overlays that are NOT hardcoded, and can be changed by texture packs.

Sincerely, The Signed:
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#2

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 05:44 PM

hear hear!

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 05:45 PM

View Poststeelfeathers, on 19 November 2011 - 05:41 PM, said:

Dear Mojang:

With the release of 1.8 came a new biome type, the swamp biome. This watery terrain where trees grew submerged in shallow pools and vines hung thick from leaves was, to many a minecrafter, very beautiful.

But then came the first 1.9 pre-release, and suddenly our magical swamps became dark and gloomy, like something out of Mordor.

Implying swamps look beautiful.

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#4

Jennestia

Posted 19 November 2011 - 05:46 PM

So ugly in terms of flow? Otherwise it's pretty subjective to say a Swamp is beautiful or ugly, given what a swamp is. lol
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#5

scrubking

Posted 19 November 2011 - 05:48 PM

swamps are great one of the few great things Mojang has done recently.

#6

space_king

Posted 19 November 2011 - 05:51 PM

I'd have liked to see them less black, maybe more brown.

I actually don't mind the black, it's the jarring transition from jungle to swamp that annoys me.

Don't worry, someone'll make a texpack or something.

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 05:54 PM

View Postspace_king, on 19 November 2011 - 05:51 PM, said:

Don't worry, someone'll make a texpack or something.
Someone... like steelfeathers?

The swamps aren't editable. You can only change the shade of brown.

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 05:56 PM

I don't understand; if Notch can program biome shading for all the other biomes, why hasn't a modder gotten around to programming a workaround for swamp shading?
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Posted 19 November 2011 - 05:57 PM

so true i hate them -.-

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 05:58 PM

I can't agree more. I love that they added swamps, and in all honestly I don't even mind the dark color that much, but I (and I'm sure many others) can't stand the ridiculous hard edges of that color. If They wanted swamps to be darker it should have been done with simply altering the biome-gradient-things (I can't remember the proper name, sorry) not by hardcoding an overlay with sharp edges like that. I really wish that they'd fix this soon, but I don't have my hopes up.

View Postspace_king, on 19 November 2011 - 05:51 PM, said:

Don't worry, someone'll make a texpack or something.

The whole problem is that it can't be fixed with a texture pack, the dark overlay is hardcoded into the game and texture packs have no effect on it.

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#11

Globagoz

Posted 19 November 2011 - 05:59 PM

I really like the new swamp biomes. Swamps should be dark and gloomy. Although, I agree that the transitions should be improved.

#12

GorgeousTaylor
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Posted 19 November 2011 - 05:59 PM

View Postgerhard2202, on 19 November 2011 - 05:56 PM, said:

I don't understand; if Notch can program biome shading for all the other biomes, why hasn't a modder gotten around to programming a workaround for swamp shading?

Because the swamp shading is hard-coded into the game. It's not so simple that texture packs can alter it, like they can the other biome colors. Sure, a MODDER may be able to work around it, but that's a rather unsatisfactory fix for something that is clearly broken in the base game.

I have nothing against the swamp shading itself,
but the transitions are truly awful.
I am signing the petition.

EDIT: /signed

#13

Slagar10

Posted 19 November 2011 - 06:01 PM

/signed

#14

Whispeon
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Posted 19 November 2011 - 06:02 PM

...What?

Swamps look ugly in real life. Therefore, Mojang has done this correctly, no?
I hated them before 1.9, and now I rather like them due to their realisticness.

And about the border things - In Minecraft, everything has sudden and abrupt ends. Just look at the weather, for example. Heck, look at the blocks for example. It's what differentiates Minecraft from the real world. While I like realisticness, I also like how it is so unique as a game.

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 06:06 PM

I don't really mind the color, but I wish there was a better gradient between swamps and other biomes.  The water need it as well.

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#16

HeadlessBill

Posted 19 November 2011 - 06:07 PM

As the style of swamp they seem to be going for is more Louisiana Bayou rather than Florida Everglades, they should be dark and gloomy and beautiful and much, much denser with trees, however the transition into the other biomes does need some drastic work. They are one of my more favorite biomes to adventure in. I'll sign this petition.

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 06:14 PM

/signed

#18

ShadowWolf937

Posted 19 November 2011 - 06:23 PM

I agree.
The transition looks pretty bad.
Perhaps, the grass/water transition could be smoother.

/signed

#19

Stormbolt

Posted 19 November 2011 - 06:28 PM

Rest of the swamp looks fine, but the normal water should slowly blend into the swamp water.

/signed

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 06:30 PM

the last pic:

MY EYES, THEY BURN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I like the dark gloomy color of a swamp, but they should really make it blend into the game more i just cant bear to look at the dark green suddenly bordered by a nice light green.

yo yeah /signed

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