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  1. You're right, people should complain less! :) (65 votes [21.74%])

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  2. That's exactly how it is, forum is full of noobs >:( (21 votes [7.02%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.02%

  3. It is fine to complain if it's logical and well-explained :/ (134 votes [44.82%])

    Percentage of vote: 44.82%

  4. You're wrong, complaining is great! >.< (10 votes [3.34%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.34%

  5. I love hugging creepers! :D (69 votes [23.08%])

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#1

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Posted 30 September 2011 - 03:09 PM

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You may want to read this too: What you pay is what you get or this: The problem with 1.8/1.9

IMPORTANT NOTE: If you don't want to read ALL of it, don't do it, but don't comment either, I don't care whatever you have to say if you don't care what I have to say.


Every single day we see at least one new topic complaining about the game, developers, etc. There are 3 main things they complain about (there are some other things but these are the most common ones):

1-Most recent version changes ("It's laggy", "it has al ot of bugs", "X thing is stupid/ugly/useless", etc.)
2-Minecraft gettin' boring/losing its essence (Nothing really interesting to be added soon, etc.)
3-Minecraft isn't sandbox anymore (becoming more RPG-like, etc.)


Let's face it, 90% of the complaints are simply useless repetitive troll dump without justification, no logic and basically, no reason to exist. A lot of people complain just because they can. Sad part is that probably 30% or more are pirates, who didn't even pay for the game and have no right at all to complain about anything. It has some kind of sense if you complain for something you paid for, but if you play it for free, you didn't lose ANYTHING and of course you have no right to do it.

So, what I have to say to this kind of complaints is this:

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1- If you don't like newer version, don't update (and backup your .jar file). No one forces you to update, the game even asks you if you want to or not. If it's a pre-release, don't download it. As simple as that. Now, you can play latest version and give a realistic and well-founded opinion, expressing some clear and fair reasons why it is not ok and some options that could make it better.

If you simply make a "I hate this"-like topic, you're just an useless member of the community, a troll or/and a childish person. Rage quits, rage topics, bascially anything rage-related is just the proof you're a noob, if you do, please leave, we don't need you, game doesn't need you, and probably not even your parents and friends need you because you're probably just an i****.

Game is supposed to change, evolve, and improve, and it is exactly what is happening. You can't complain because it has bugs or lag, because it is under developement and it is a beta. They are adding all the important bases the game will need for its launch, and as they confirmed recently, they will finish adding new stuff next 18th and freeze the code to start polishing the details, correcting main problems and bugs, and basically solving the problems you have been finding and reporting so far.

They DON'T have to do all that while on beta, the reason they usually released versions like 1.7.2, 1.7.3, 1.8.1, is to fix bugs that make some specific things impossible to use for everyone, not allowing them to keep testing the game. Not all people has lag either, so trying to solve that now would be a lost of time because adding new content may cause the lag to come back and they'd have to solve it again, which is wasted time.

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2- There is no such a thing as "essence" in a game that wasn't even released yet. You can't say "minecraft is losing/has lost its essence" because Alpha and Beta testings are not real versions of the games. You can, for example, say that if a probable future version 2.0 isn't as good as the upcoming 1.0 release, but otherwise, you don't know what you're talking about. You can say it if you play Minecraft as it is, and some day they release a new Minecraft 2 that is nothing like this. That's what losing the essence means.

And if you're bored, there are two probable causes. First, you rushed buying the game because everyone was doing the same, and you didn't even think about it enough to see if it was what you were looking for. Second, you simply get bored easily or you don't have imagination because you spend too much time playing videogames and watching TV and you didn't learn how to use it, because you probably don't read books or something that actually improves your imagination. My advice, instead of making a complaining topic, make a "give me ideas" topic. If you think minecraft is losing its essence, think again, game isn't finished yet, it still has no "essence".

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3- A lot of people complains about the game getting RPG-updates, and saying it's not sandbox anymore. But you people need to know what a sandbox game is:

The sandbox genre is a open world system. Minecraft has a 131,071,992,000,000,000 blocks big open world with billions of blocks in an seed-based generated world that it's almost impossible to fully explore.

Sandbox genre usually has a free-roaming world. In minecraft you can go anywhere you want, whenever you want, you're completely free.

A sandbox game is supposed to let the player be creative and there is no "right way" to play it. In minecraft you can create whatever you want, build any kind of structure or artwork just by using the blocks, and there are no rules, you can do it the way you prefer, you don't need to follow any instructions, you don't have to do it the way everyone does it.

Sandbox games usually don't have a limit, like lives, which basically lets you play forever. In minecraft you barely have a "life-bar" that may cause you to die, but you have no lives, no continues, you can keep playing over and over even if you die.

Things that aren't pure sandbox in minecraft: Mobs, animals, food and hunger system, health, armor, weapons, abandoned mineshaft/strongholds and villages (optional), potions, etc.

Which of these things actually changes any of the things that make this game a sandbox?: None, there is not even one thing in the RPG-like add-ons this game has that limits your world, making it smaller, not free or making impossible for you to modify it. And you can still play forever if you want.

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Conclusions: People is always complaining simply because they can do it. They have too much free time, and not enough knowledge, so they just say the first thing that crosses their minds, without even really thinking about it.

Minecraft is a sandbox game. None of the recently added RPG-like stuff change that. There is no reason to complain about the game lossing its essence, first of all because it doesn't have one yet, this is a testing period, alpha and beta, in which game is supposed to change A LOT. Until the game is officially released, you can't even speak about essence. The game is a lot like the way it was in alpha, but with new things that, basically, improve the same things the game has always had.

Game has been improved through alpha and beta testings, and of course it has problems, that's why this phase is called "testing", because the game is supposed to be tested to find bugs and problems, so they can be corrected WHEN THE GAME IS RELEASED, there is nothing that forces Mojang to correct all of them while in beta testing, because some of them are hard to fix, and may re-appear after adding some things. That's why they'll freeze the code and stop adding new stuff this month, so they can start solving problems, making Minecraft 1.0 (full game release on 11/11/2011) the most bug-free game they can.

What to do before complaining:

- Think before you do. Is it logical? There is a reason to do it?
- Use forum search (or your eyes) to see if no one made exactly the same complain, so you can agree there.
- Don't troll and be respectful. What would you do if you were attacked because of your decisions? programming a game isn't so easy. If you think you can do better, make your own game


P.S.: English isn't my native language, so there should be a lot of mistakes.

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Posted 30 September 2011 - 03:12 PM

Facking true! I hate those who say the game lost it soul :( THEY MAKE IT LOSE IT SOUL BY SAYING THAT!

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Posted 30 September 2011 - 07:56 PM

View PostCrashty, on 30 September 2011 - 03:12 PM, said:

Facking true! I hate those who say the game lost it soul :( THEY MAKE IT LOSE IT SOUL BY SAYING THAT!
Well, is good to know that some people isn't lazy and actually reads lol thx for the comment.

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Posted 30 September 2011 - 07:57 PM

I must agree
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Posted 30 September 2011 - 09:33 PM

I've been too lazy to write this my self since I've joined the community here. Well put, I don't think we will get them to change though.

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Posted 30 September 2011 - 10:57 PM

I think that people should have at least 30-50 posts before being allowed to create new topics. Because 90% of unwanted topics are owned by people with under 50 posts. That'll allow them to learn what the community is like before they do something stupid.
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Posted 30 September 2011 - 11:17 PM

View PostXazoTak, on 30 September 2011 - 10:57 PM, said:

I think that people should have at least 30-50 posts before being allowed to create new topics. Because 90% of unwanted topics are owned by people with under 50 posts. That'll allow them to learn what the community is like before they do something stupid.
Well, we can see what staff thinks about it: http://www.minecraft...ers-limitation/

It would be great if that was possible but no one really knows.

Frankly, there are way too many users complaining about nonsenses, and most of them are too noob to use forum search to find other people's posts saying exactly the same thing :/

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Posted 30 September 2011 - 11:20 PM

It's not the game that's getting worse- completely the opposite in fact- but the so-called 'Community'. A community is supposed to support people, and, in this case, provide constructive feedback to Notch and the rest of Mojang. A community is not supposed to say "X FEATURE/BUG RUIN GAME! ME WANT IT GONE/FIXED! ME CALL NOTCH LAZY! ME SO SMART!". A community is not supposed to bite the hand that feeds it.
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Posted 30 September 2011 - 11:27 PM

View PostGamestar1313, on 30 September 2011 - 11:20 PM, said:

It's not the game that's getting worse- completely the opposite in fact- but the so-called 'Community'. A community is supposed to support people, and, in this case, provide constructive feedback to Notch and the rest of Mojang. A community is not supposed to say "X FEATURE/BUG RUIN GAME! ME WANT IT GONE/FIXED! ME CALL NOTCH LAZY! ME SO SMART!". A community is not supposed to bite the hand that feeds it.
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Posted 30 September 2011 - 11:32 PM

View PostIsenes, on 30 September 2011 - 11:27 PM, said:

Thiiiissssss. +1!

Thanks! Just some good old-fashioned English snark.
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Posted 30 September 2011 - 11:35 PM

Indeed, this game is cool, really fun and it's being improved all the time, most of the big problems or bugs will obviously be fixed for the official release of the game. But frankly, community is 40% good users, 50% noobs and 10% others.

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Posted 30 September 2011 - 11:41 PM

I totally agree with DanSparrow , I am just feed up with that complaining threads , also like the idea from XazoTak

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Posted 30 September 2011 - 11:54 PM

Actually the worst part of bickering is that people actually DO think about what they're saying, it's just that their thinking is flawed. That way, they assume their conclusions are wise, because they "did think it through", technically.

What people need to do is to stop thinking that the only requirement for understanding something, is to think about it. You also need knowledge, as the OP said, and that cannot just be "thought up" out of nowhere. You need to actually read it or hear it somewhere, and it must be credible.

I would estimate that easily 80% of the forums don't know jack about what they're talking about, and a further 19% knows a little but still often not enough, because they're gamers and not game developers with years of in-depth, exclusive experience that only game developers get because they have access to unique resources and databases of information.
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Posted 01 October 2011 - 12:21 AM

View PostMalavok, on 30 September 2011 - 11:54 PM, said:

Actually the worst part of bickering is that people actually DO think about what they're saying, it's just that their thinking is flawed. That way, they assume their conclusions are wise, because they "did think it through", technically.

What people need to do is to stop thinking that the only requirement for understanding something, is to think about it. You also need knowledge, as the OP said, and that cannot just be "thought up" out of nowhere. You need to actually read it or hear it somewhere, and it must be credible.

I would estimate that easily 80% of the forums don't know jack about what they're talking about, and a further 19% knows a little but still often not enough, because they're gamers and not game developers with years of in-depth, exclusive experience that only game developers get because they have access to unique resources and databases of information.

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Posted 01 October 2011 - 12:58 AM

Fully agree with you.

And just for the record for the complainers.
A hunger bar is not an RPG thing, I believe there's not even an RPG game that has it. Hunger bar is an Survival Genre thing, and hello, its been considered a survival game for a long long time.
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Posted 01 October 2011 - 01:05 AM

Good to see that there are so many interesting members here at the forums, and not only noobs xD

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Posted 01 October 2011 - 01:17 AM

I just read it because it said I wanted to...

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Posted 01 October 2011 - 01:37 AM

View PostDanSparrow, on 30 September 2011 - 03:09 PM, said:

P.S.: English isn't my native language, so there should be a lot of mistakes.

I thought your English was very good, unlike most of the people who would fall under the descriptions in your post.

I completely agree with what you have said. I bought the game when my friend said he thought it was my kind of game, I took a look at the video on Minecraft.net and bought it straight away. I saw it as a very interesting game and I still see it the same way. The game is amazing and the good parts of the community make it even better. I only wish that my friend had told me about it earlier, when all I knew was Call of Duty 4. It was a way to pass the time but it got boring very quickly and with the added help of angry players, it moved me away from it completely.

This is my favourite game and I can only hope that people stop acting like idiots and just have fun without the need of insults.
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Posted 01 October 2011 - 02:00 AM

HEY, DOES ANYONE ELSE GET THE IRONY IN ALL OF THIS?!?!
'CAUSE I DO.

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Posted 01 October 2011 - 02:40 AM

View PostGleriot, on 01 October 2011 - 01:37 AM, said:

I thought your English was very good, unlike most of the people who would fall under the descriptions in your post.

I completely agree with what you have said. I bought the game when my friend said he thought it was my kind of game, I took a look at the video on Minecraft.net and bought it straight away. I saw it as a very interesting game and I still see it the same way. The game is amazing and the good parts of the community make it even better. I only wish that my friend had told me about it earlier, when all I knew was Call of Duty 4. It was a way to pass the time but it got boring very quickly and with the added help of angry players, it moved me away from it completely.

This is my favourite game and I can only hope that people stop acting like idiots and just have fun without the need of insults.
Amen to that

View PostBillybobjoepants, on 01 October 2011 - 02:00 AM, said:

HEY, DOES ANYONE ELSE GET THE IRONY IN ALL OF THIS?!?!
'CAUSE I DO.
Hmm it's not the same thing, I really don't think this can be considered ironic.