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[doku]

Ok I think the original poll has been live long enough to get an answer. The majority voted yes for the disallowal of mix packs, however after reading through all the comments it seems clear that the issues can't be solved with a simple yes or no answer. After all, I didn't start this with the aim to make people angry or upset but to improve the forum and resolve the problems that currently exist.

So, I've expanded the poll into a new set of solutions to accomidate a wider range of peoples views. Bare in mind these solutions are based on the fact that the majority of people agree that there is an issue, as suggested by the previous poll, so there will no longer be a 'no' option.

Several other points I believe should be noted/enforced whatever the outcome :

1. A pack is defined a remix if the majority of the work ( say 50%+ ) was not created by the poster.
2. Regardless of the content, if any work posted does not belong to the poster, permission MUST be granted by the original creator before putting anything up on this forum.
3. Credit for any textures used that are not created by the poster MUST be clearly visible at the top of any thread, with links to the packs they were taken from.
4. Use of any profit gaining urls or donation buttons should be forbidden if the pack constitutes a remix.


Original post and poll results:



'I doubt this will be a very popular poll but I would like to vote to stop any remix texture packs being released on this forum. This means any packs which don't include the majority of your own work. I'm a bit fed up of seeing 'dokublah' pack or 'blahdokuJohnSmith' pack etc. etc. It dilutes both the forum and the artwork itself and just because you like your remix it doesn't mean you need to share it with everyone else....keep it to yourself. I also find it very demotivating and potentially other artists feel the same, which is not good if you want people to continue with their work...

Again I suspect that I will lose this vote but please if you feel the same way as me vote yes!.

This won't apply to a continuation of a texture pack which has been abandoned AND with permission from the owner to continue it.'

[doku]

Also leave a comment if you vote to keep this thread alive

guess what...

I voted YES

[ReploidGodX]

doku said:

Also leave a comment if you vote to keep this thread alive

guess what...

I voted YES

Gee, Imagine that

[FrigginSandvich]

I agree with this >:C

[Grugsy]

considering most of them are based on your work... I can see why you want them gone. I pretty much agree that compilation/remix packs are becoming bothersome, and people are taking too many liberties with other peoples work.(and not giving the creators credit, or getting permission to use the works) I can understand continuing a great pack that hasn't been updated for a long time, or using stuff as placeholders with permission while working on a pack and getting it out there for testing, but just putting something together with no original work at all should be regulated.

[Teh_Pauleh]

I don't mind it when people continue discontinued work with the owners permission, i.e Doku RPG/Last Days was/still is one of the best/most used texture packs out there and people would like to still use.

On the other hand some people will take a entire texture pack, make some minor changes then re-release it again which isn't needed.

[dinosaursloveme]

Teh_Pauleh said:

I don't mind it when people continue discontinued work with the owners permission, i.e Doku RPG/Last Days was/still is one of the best/most used texture packs out there and people would like to still use.

On the other hand some people will take a entire texture pack, make some minor changes then re-release it again which isn't needed.

I concur

[HeadHunter67]

I agre with Doku. I use a mix pack for my personal use, which is a collection of my favorite stuff from several artists.

But I would NOT presume to have any right to distribute it. It's not my work, and I don't feel I deserve any credit for being able to cut-and-paste.

I don't think any artist minds people doing remixes for their own use, but generally the people who favor distribution of remix packs fall into one (or both) of two categories:

1) People who don't know how to use Paint.NET (or GIMPor whatever) to make their own textures, and/or
2) People who don't even know how to use Paint.NET (or GIMPor whatever) to cut and paste

The former category tend to be the sort who distribute remix packs, the latter tend to be the sort who desire to see them posted here.

The forum has been flooded lately with a lot of packs like this - stuff that takes little to no talent to assemble, compared to the talent and effort of the artists who actually make the textures. I'm amazed at all of the people who use Doku remix packs and don't know where the work comes from originally. It's sad.

If this trend continues, eventually artists won't bother making the effort to create new textures. Why go to all the hard work just so some idiot can make a mix and slap his name on it instead?

[Taverius]

You're losing sight of the real issue, which is not remix packs in themselves, but people not getting permissions to use other people's material's and/or not giving credit where due ...

[doku]

Teh_Pauleh said:

I don't mind it when people continue discontinued work with the owners permission, i.e Doku RPG/Last Days was/still is one of the best/most used texture packs out there and people would like to still use.

On the other hand some people will take a entire texture pack, make some minor changes then re-release it again which isn't needed.

Good point, added an edit to OP:

*EDIT*

This won't apply to a continuation of a texture pack which has been abandoned AND with permission from the owner to continue it.

[mrisump]

Well, I sort of agree.
It shouldn't be completely disallowed; if the "remixer" asks for permission, from all the artists who he has taken things from, and puts them in the first part of the post, I'd say it should be allowed.
But, I do think it's sort of a hassle that there is almost no room for original texture packs.

Therefor, I voted: YES
And yes, I wrote it like that to copy the almighty doku

[spanaren]

I agree.

[moondog548]

Taverius said:

You're losing sight of the real issue, which is not remix packs in themselves, but people not getting permissions to use other people's material's and/or not giving credit where due ...

This is true.

Tho I voted yes because practically speaking it's a good idea. Clean out some clutter around here. ;-}

[Sumpumpolis]

i agree completely, it's very frustrating when my pack is bumped down or outshown by remix packs that are almost identical to the last... And they almost always provide not enough credits, or unclear credits with their own names plugged in at every opportunity.

[doku]

Taverius said:

You're losing sight of the real issue, which is not remix packs in themselves, but people not getting permissions to use other people's material's and/or not giving credit where due ...

That is an important point which also needs to be addressed, although I think that it is a seperate issue. This point i'm making here is more about choking out any originality in the texture packs whilst cluttering the forum at the same time. Also the frustration of sometimes not being recognised as the original creator of something even if credit has been given..

[Sumpumpolis]

this is absolutely not for the bump.

in case it wasn't blindingly obvious in my comment above, I voted YES

[Sanjūrō]

I'm in support of this. I'm really tired of looking for new packs only to find that many of them simply use things I have seen before. Anyone can remix a texture pack for personal use based on personal preferences. There is no need to release it unless you've added to it significantly.

However before one even does that, its even more important to credit those from whom you've borrowed work to develop said remix, provided you've first asked permission to do so and abided by the original creator's reply.

It would be really nice both to see less run-of-the-mill remixes and more credit and use of permissions of the original creators. I would have assumed both to be common sense in most any creative setting, that is until I started browsing this forum.

for doku for the suggestion and the poll. I hope it gains a little momentum and we see it enacted. It really would help the forum imho.

[PK2011]

I agree with doku, and voted yes. Remix/compilation packs are useless to be honest. The original packs are all out there already, and if anyone really wants to mix packs together, then they can do it themselves - it's not that difficult, especially 16x packs. No need to share these mixes really.

Also, not giving credit where it's due to original artists isn't fair, which a lot of these remix packs do.

[SevV]

i voted YES

yes, i made some remix packs (yes, it included your DokuCraft and JohnSmith) but i didnt released it.

[AwesomeSaucePants]

Hell yes. Pleaseee. Every time I look at the Texture Pack section, I see a DOKU-RPG Re-mix somewhere.