Mackinz, on 30 January 2013 - 03:40 PM, said:
Okay, let's go make the already-better-than-Bonemeal Wheat growth alternative harder to accomplish, and then we can finally add a false sense of difficulty to those who think that surviving in Minecraft should be "difficult". Farming wheat, without Bonemeal, leads to the same result: infinite wheat, enchanting, a fleet of rideable (lol) pigs and massive amounts of wool, and doesn't take nearly as long as you would think.
Bonemeal doesn't change anything in Vanilla. You can accomplish the breeding of Cows without ever touching Bonemeal, and it is the better alternative because you can go do other things in the meantime, so you're not changing the difficulty in breeding Cows, getting Leather, making Books, making Bookshelves, and enchanting until you actually nerf Wheat.
The end result is the same either way you spin it. You're not going to convince anyone that Bonemeal is OP when Wheat isn't hard to grow regardless, and food is incredibly easy to obtain regardless.
But why try hinder the process of making those things more difficult? Without bonemeal those things aren't impossible, but it does make them much easier to accomplish. If you want to make a giant sail for your boat, but don't want to play by the rules, there is creative mode.
MumblesMiner, on 30 January 2013 - 04:06 PM, said:
Redstone, yes food heals you but your missing one HUGE thing about this. Besides newbs (people who don't have jack to begin with) EVERY SINGLE STINKING PERSON FROM ROYALTY, BANDITS, MERCHANTS, NOMADS, ARTISTS, TOWN GUARDS, HUNTERS, ABSOLUTELY ANYONE HAS THIS ABILITY TO HEAL PASSIVELY, AND WRITE OFF HUNGER ANYWAY.
This paragraph has no place in this debate. It makes no sense. There are no royalty, bandits, merchants, nomads, artists, town guards, and hunters in vanilla minecraft. Furthermore, no one playing on a difficulty higher than peaceful will heal passively if they are hungry. If there is some way to heal passively (meaning the player heals without doing anything) that I don't know about, I would like to know.
What's more; you keep using my current single player survival game to drive your arguments. Stop it; it is an infirm way to further your point. You make it seem as if I said that by the Bear Blood Dripping From The Beard Of My Ancestors I would never use bonemeal. That is a lie, I only mentioned that in my current world I let my crops grow naturally. I even admit to using bonemeal as means to get emeralds quick. Something that shouldn't have been so easy.
Mackinz, on 30 January 2013 - 04:23 PM, said:
The hunger bar is more annoying than anything, and is not a source of difficulty in vanilla.
Which is a clear oversight! Now they are fixing that! Hooray!