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Poll: POTUS Term Limit (55 member(s) have cast votes)

Should we remove presidential term limits?

  1. Yes (8 votes [14.55%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.55%

  2. No (35 votes [63.64%])

    Percentage of vote: 63.64%

  3. Reform it (10 votes [18.18%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.18%

  4. Not sure (2 votes [3.64%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.64%

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#21

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 02:50 AM

Yeah, there was a reason we set them because dictatorships and totalitarianism can mess everything up.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 02:52 AM

I would say just allow them to have one more term.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 02:54 AM

View Postdanthonywalker, on 07 January 2013 - 01:26 AM, said:

What about Congress?
What about it?

View Postdanthonywalker, on 07 January 2013 - 01:26 AM, said:

And yes, I know their two different things, but even presidential elections can get gerrymandered and legally rigged to go into office.
Get rid of the electoral college first.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 02:57 AM

Its fine the way it is, but perhaps lengthening it to three terms?

But what we really need is a limit on congressmen's terms - 2 for senators and 4 for representatives. I hate the fact that 95% of congress people are reelected each year and this makes it much harder for new people to get elected.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 03:00 AM

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 03:08 AM

View PostTravis, on 07 January 2013 - 02:54 AM, said:

What about it?

You stated that if they are good enough they'll get elected. Congress is a perfect example of the opposite of that.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 03:11 AM

View Postdanthonywalker, on 07 January 2013 - 03:08 AM, said:

You stated that if they are good enough they'll get elected. Congress is a perfect example of the opposite of that.
A result of gerrymandering and a FPTP voting system. Fix both and it'll be fine.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 03:55 PM

View Posticed199, on 07 January 2013 - 02:57 AM, said:

Its fine the way it is, but perhaps lengthening it to three terms?

But what we really need is a limit on congressmen's terms - 2 for senators and 4 for representatives. I hate the fact that 95% of congress people are reelected each year and this makes it much harder for new people to get elected.

Three terms would equal twelve years. Hypothetically, a president that is going for 3 terms would have to take time out of actually running the US to campaign instead in two instances. One before the end of his first term and one before the end of his second term. In this case, it's just more efficient to make the terms six years each so that the president only has to campaign across the US once.

If we really needed to extend term limits, I would go for only two five-year terms, starting the term at the beginning of a decade (i.e. 2020, 2025). If the term has to be six years long, then I would just limit it to one term. Six years is a really long time to me.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 05:59 PM

I think two terms is fine. If you can't accomplish your goals in eight years, then you probably weren't ever going to get it done. If we removed the money from politics and had publicly funded elections, then the president and congress wouldn't have to waste so much time fund-raising.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 06:33 PM

View PostRegular, on 07 January 2013 - 05:59 PM, said:

If you can't accomplish your goals in eight years, then you probably weren't ever going to get it done.

Unless you're NASA.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 07:04 PM

You'll never see any real beneficial change in the government or in politics in your lifetime. It's too late for that. We were warned about these things decades ago, even centuries ago, but we did nothing to stop it (while we could). And how can we? When you have a system which rewards greed and avarice, how in the heck are we supposed to stop a country from slowly sinking into a Corporatist state over time? Regulations can only slow down the train to oblivion until the big corporations can lobby enough money and bribe enough politicians to get them repealed or changed in their favor.

Your Internet will be censored. Your life will become corporate sponsored, advertisements and propaganda inescapable. You will have no retirement, you will work until you're dead. If you're disabled, forget about sympathy, you work or die just like everybody else. Everything which does not benefit the big corporations who run this country will be allowed to erode and collapse until it is no more.

So, keep on subscribing to this soap opera of incompetent politicians and filibusters.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 08:29 PM

View Postbowserchomp, on 07 January 2013 - 07:04 PM, said:

You'll never see any real beneficial change in the government or in politics in your lifetime. It's too late for that. We were warned about these things decades ago, even centuries ago, but we did nothing to stop it (while we could). And how can we? When you have a system which rewards greed and avarice, how in the heck are we supposed to stop a country from slowly sinking into a Corporatist state over time? Regulations can only slow down the train to oblivion until the big corporations can lobby enough money and bribe enough politicians to get them repealed or changed in their favor.

Your Internet will be censored. Your life will become corporate sponsored, advertisements and propaganda inescapable. You will have no retirement, you will work until you're dead. If you're disabled, forget about sympathy, you work or die just like everybody else. Everything which does not benefit the big corporations who run this country will be allowed to erode and collapse until it is no more.

So, keep on subscribing to this soap opera of incompetent politicians and filibusters.

That...seems just a bit too extreme, even if Obama wanted Socialism intentionally.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 08:50 PM

WOOOO, I just love totalitarianism. You kids are quite laughable.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 09:01 PM

View PostVanity., on 07 January 2013 - 08:50 PM, said:

WOOOO, I just love totalitarianism. You kids are quite laughable.

First of all, removing presidential term limits is a long way from totalitarianism; yes, it could lead to a tyrannical government when a leader simply stays his/her position indefinitely, but if a leader had the guile to be tyrannical and remain in power, term limits would not likely stop him/her. If said person is a good leader, then why not keep him/her in office? It's not totalitarianism if the people decide to keep the leader.

Also, ad hominems are not appreciated here. Not only is your conjecture a clear ad hominem in the form of condescending sarcasm, it is also completely untrue (The median age of most of the people here is a fair bit higher than the rest of the forums, especially the regulars). Please, be more polite.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 09:10 PM

View PostYourself, on 07 January 2013 - 06:33 PM, said:

Unless you're NASA.
Yes, if you're exploring space you get nine years :D
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:27 PM

View PostJetra, on 07 January 2013 - 08:29 PM, said:

That...seems just a bit too extreme, even if Obama wanted Socialism intentionally.

What does Socialism have to do with what I'm saying?
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:30 PM

View Postbowserchomp, on 07 January 2013 - 07:04 PM, said:

You'll never see any real beneficial change in the government or in politics in your lifetime. It's too late for that. We were warned about these things decades ago, even centuries ago, but we did nothing to stop it (while we could). And how can we? When you have a system which rewards greed and avarice, how in the heck are we supposed to stop a country from slowly sinking into a Corporatist state over time? Regulations can only slow down the train to oblivion until the big corporations can lobby enough money and bribe enough politicians to get them repealed or changed in their favor.

Your Internet will be censored. Your life will become corporate sponsored, advertisements and propaganda inescapable. You will have no retirement, you will work until you're dead. If you're disabled, forget about sympathy, you work or die just like everybody else. Everything which does not benefit the big corporations who run this country will be allowed to erode and collapse until it is no more.

So, keep on subscribing to this soap opera of incompetent politicians and filibusters.

So, revolution anyone?

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:49 PM

View Postlolpierandom, on 07 January 2013 - 10:30 PM, said:

So, revolution anyone?
Implying that Americans would actually do something useful instead of watching TV and eating junk food.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:52 PM

View PostRandomness3333, on 07 January 2013 - 10:49 PM, said:

Implying that Americans would actually do something useful instead of watching TV and eating junk food.
Good point.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:54 PM

View Postlolpierandom, on 07 January 2013 - 10:52 PM, said:

Good point.
The best part is that I am an American. People in the US are under the impression that they have freedom when money is what has power in our government.