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South Carolina Attempts to Restart Nullification Crisis

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 11:38 PM

For those of you not aware, the Nullification Crisis was an American constitutional crisis, where South Carolina basically decided that certain federal laws would be null and void within the state of South Carolina.

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South Carolina is considering outlawing Obamacare.
Five Republican South Carolina state representatives introduced a bill last week that, if passed, would send people to jail for trying to implement the Affordable Care Act in South Carolina.
Under the bill, federal officials, employees and contractors implementing Obamacare could face a jail sentence of up to 5 years, and state officials and employees implementing Obamacare could face a jail sentence of up to 2 years.
Calling Obamacare unconstitutional, the "South Carolina Freedom of Health Care Protection Act" declares that the law "is invalid in this State, is not recognized by this State, is specifically rejected by this State, and is null and void and of no effect in this State."

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 11:50 PM

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Under the bill, federal officials, employees and contractors implementing Obamacare could face a jail sentence of up to 5 years, and state officials and employees implementing Obamacare could face a jail sentence of up to 2 years.

Lol...just, lol. A state trying to arrest federal officials.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 12:15 AM

* Facepalm. *

Oh South Carolina, you so silly.

Even though I'm from there, I don't identify with it. 6 weeks on a submarine base after birth doesn't really give you a sense of belonging to your birthplace.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 12:17 AM

I thought state nullification arguments ended two centuries ago.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 02:06 AM

It didn't work 200 years ago, and it won't work now. South Carolina seems to be at the center of all this.

That reminds me, I have a midterm on AP US History tomorrow. I should probably be studying.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 02:27 AM

I'm sure this will be extremely effective in getting rid of those socialist communist fascist pigs who want healthcare.

It's not like the President has the power to pardon people who are imprisoned or anything.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 03:29 AM

We should not be concerned that S.C. is attempting to argue nullification, nor should we condemn their political leaders. We ought to be concerned by the political disunity that has lead to this. The mass politics, finger-pointing, and stalemate exemplifies the very party problems Washington warned us against.

This outburst, not wholly inherent to the party and state it comes from, but still damning nonetheless, represents a moment when we forget that the US stands for Union and Liberty. Our name even implies a balance of Union (United) and Liberty (States). I fear that these outbursts will compound; therefore, stratifying the nation into areas hitherto unknown.

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 11:56 PM

Really? God knows what Arizona will do...

(...or Texas, or Georgia, Alabama, or Mississippi..)
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Posted 22 December 2012 - 12:28 AM

The last time this happened, the president (Jackson) got authorization to use military force to make SC comply, and his vice president resigned in protest. It was a major increase in tension that helped lead to the civil war.

This time, it is just stupid. ObamaCare was already ruled constitutional, and 5 Republican senators really isn't enough to get anything past. I really hope this doesn't become a big deal. They should have learned what happens when something like this occurs from last time. Those who don't learn history are condemned to repeat it indeed. Though I really don't think Obama will be able to get a Force Bill through, so it will be interesting to see how it pans out if this does become a thing.
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Posted 22 December 2012 - 05:25 AM

Next thing you know the south will start slavery again and create the "WE ARE DUH CONFEDERIT STATES OF MURICA WIT GUNS."
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Posted 22 December 2012 - 11:18 PM

View PostGlitchedUpMountain, on 21 December 2012 - 11:56 PM, said:

Really? God knows what Arizona will do...

(...or Texas, or Georgia, Alabama, or Mississippi..)
What about Alabama!

On Topic: It's not like the president can overrule the states.
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Posted 26 December 2012 - 07:37 AM

obamba will just pardon them
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Posted 26 December 2012 - 09:36 AM

I can honestly see where they're coming from.  I don't want Obamacare in my state either. >.>

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 05:44 PM

View PostIldac, on 26 December 2012 - 09:36 AM, said:

I can honestly see where they're coming from.  I don't want Obamacare in my state either. >.>

Why not?
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 12:53 AM

View PostErasmoGnome, on 26 December 2012 - 05:44 PM, said:

Why not?

Because it's another tax raise that I'm STILL not seeing benefits from?

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 01:03 AM

View PostIldac, on 27 December 2012 - 12:53 AM, said:

Because it's another tax raise that I'm STILL not seeing benefits from?
That's because its lining someone's pocket, or being pumped into malformed and bloated social programs, that themselves only exist because of very simple societal and economic problems that people are content with skirting around and refusing to fix.

Why acknowledge there are deeper issues when you could just boil everything down to blame.  Hollow finger pointing.  So we can keep doing nothing and shirking the personal responsibility to make legitimate changes, to legitimate problems.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 11:15 AM

Oh dear.

My home state will jump on this bandwagon without doubt unless something is done..

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 01:01 PM

Congressmen drum up these fake controversies to misdirect their constituents. There's no way that South Carolina, the 7th poorest state in the US, would ever abandon federal funding.
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 06:07 AM

Necro, but I figure it's fine.

The Bill has passed the South Carolina House

I myself am particularly intrigued by this part:

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Any South Carolina taxpayer who is forced to pay a penalty due to the federal health care mandate would be able to deduct the full amount of the penalty from their state taxes.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 12:14 PM

So how long until Congress pinches South Carolina's checks and laughingly says, "Haha, no."?

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