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Posted 10 December 2012 - 03:50 PM

Before I hit the order button, are there any other possible upgrades that would be useful? Under £400.

I don't want to spend an extra £20 on something like 2% more performance though.

I am going to be overclocking the CPU to 4.2GHz, wasn't sure if I needed a CPU fan though.

My build so far:


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU:  AMD A10-5800K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor  (£92.62 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard:  ASRock FM2A75 Pro4 ATX  FM2 Motherboard  (£59.54 @ Amazon UK)
Memory:  Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  (£38.16 @ Scan.co.uk)
Storage:  Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£39.99 @ Ebuyer)
Case:  Cooler Master Elite 335 Upgraded ATX Mid Tower Case  (£32.87 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply:  XFX ProSeries 450W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply  (£35.00 @ Ebuyer)
Optical Drive:  Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer  (£12.92 @ Scan.co.uk)
Operating System:  Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit)  (£68.05 @ CCL Computers)
Total: £379.15
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-10 15:49 GMT+0000)
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 04:17 PM

This?

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/uk/p/rPwG

CPU: Intel Pentium G860 3.0GHz Dual-Core Processor  (£49.61 @ CCL Computers)
Motherboard: ASRock H61M-DGS Micro ATX  LGA1155 Motherboard  (£37.99 @ Novatech)
Memory: Corsair 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory  (£28.00 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£39.99 @ Ebuyer)
Video Card: Asus Radeon HD 7770 1GB Video Card  (£80.12 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: Cooler Master Elite 335 Upgraded ATX Mid Tower Case  (£32.87 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 450W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply  (£35.00 @ Ebuyer)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer  (£12.92 @ Scan.co.uk)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit)  (£68.05 @ CCL Computers)
Total: £384.55

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 04:40 PM

^ Switched the processor/motherboard

I wanted four cores as I still wanted to play things like BF3/Skyrim. I felt that it would be better suited if I had four cores to utilize.


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CPU:  AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor  (£69.55 @ Scan.co.uk)
Motherboard:  MSI 760GM-E51 (FX) Micro ATX  AM3+ Motherboard  (£42.91 @ Scan.co.uk)
Memory:  Corsair 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory  (£28.00 @ Amazon UK)
Storage:  Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£39.99 @ Ebuyer)
Video Card:  Asus Radeon HD 7770 1GB Video Card  (£80.12 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case:  Cooler Master Elite 335 Upgraded ATX Mid Tower Case  (£32.87 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply:  XFX ProSeries 450W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply  (£35.00 @ Ebuyer)
Optical Drive:  Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer  (£12.92 @ Scan.co.uk)
Operating System:  Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit)  (£68.05 @ CCL Computers)
Total: £409.41
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 04:43 PM

I would go with jppk1's build, but change the case to something else like an NZXT Source 210, Bitfenix Merc Alpha, or Cooler Master HAF 912.  The whole Elite series from Cooler Master is very poor feature wise with most, if not all, of them having no cable management whatsoever.

Edit: If you want to have 4 cores then go with an i3 3220 and a cheap H77 motherboard.  It won't allow you to overclock, but it will help in more CPU intensive games.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 04:50 PM

Ok, so final build:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU:  AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor  (£69.55 @ Scan.co.uk)
CPU Cooler:  Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  (£26.65 @ Scan.co.uk)
Motherboard:  Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3 ATX  AM3+ Motherboard  (£52.12 @ Amazon UK)
Memory:  Corsair 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory  (£28.00 @ Amazon UK)
Storage:  Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£39.99 @ Ebuyer)
Video Card:  Asus Radeon HD 7770 1GB Video Card  (£80.12 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case:  NZXT Source 210 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case  (£31.18 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply:  XFX ProSeries 450W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply  (£35.00 @ Ebuyer)
Optical Drive:  Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer  (£12.92 @ Scan.co.uk)
Operating System:  Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit)  (£68.05 @ CCL Computers)
Total: £443.58
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-10 16:49 GMT+0000)

Barely managing to fit into the 10% over-drift

-Edit:

Put in the cooler because I'm going to be overclocking to 4.31GHz
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 05:00 PM

View Postpwiftw04, on 10 December 2012 - 04:50 PM, said:

Ok, so final build:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU:  AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor  (£69.55 @ Scan.co.uk)
CPU Cooler:  Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  (£26.65 @ Scan.co.uk)
Motherboard:  Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3 ATX  AM3+ Motherboard  (£52.12 @ Amazon UK)
Memory:  Corsair 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory  (£28.00 @ Amazon UK)
Storage:  Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£39.99 @ Ebuyer)
Video Card:  Asus Radeon HD 7770 1GB Video Card  (£80.12 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case:  NZXT Source 210 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case  (£31.18 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply:  XFX ProSeries 450W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply  (£35.00 @ Ebuyer)
Optical Drive:  Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer  (£12.92 @ Scan.co.uk)
Operating System:  Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit)  (£68.05 @ CCL Computers)
Total: £443.58
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-10 16:49 GMT+0000)

Barely managing to fit into the 10% over-drift

-Edit:

Put in the cooler because I'm going to be overclocking to 4.31GHz
Once again, that CPU is bad.  It's two generations old now so you should change it to the FX 4300 which is the newer model.  You should also change the motherboard to at least an ASRock 970 Extreme3 since you will be overclocking.  If you choose a cheap motherboard, you will not be able to overclock very well.

TheFieldZy said:

Nobody's perfect, so neither is Hannah Montana Linux, but it's pretty great.

BC_Programming on Operating Systems said:

They all suck. They just suck differently. Sort of like prostitutes.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 05:08 PM

View PostCodofMC, on 10 December 2012 - 05:00 PM, said:

Once again, that CPU is bad.  It's two generations old now so you should change it to the FX 4300 which is the newer model.  You should also change the motherboard to at least an ASRock 970 Extreme3 since you will be overclocking.  If you choose a cheap motherboard, you will not be able to overclock very well.
It's not, Phenoms are actually very good for the price.
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 05:22 PM

View PostQuanni123X, on 10 December 2012 - 05:08 PM, said:

It's not, Phenoms are actually very good for the price.
Since when?  There's a reason nobody here has been recommending them for at least a year now.

TheFieldZy said:

Nobody's perfect, so neither is Hannah Montana Linux, but it's pretty great.

BC_Programming on Operating Systems said:

They all suck. They just suck differently. Sort of like prostitutes.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 05:37 PM

They're good if you're on a tight budget and don't want an APU.

Cod, can you make me a build with £440 as the absolute maximum - that can run BF3 (40+ FPS), Skyrim (60+ FPS) and MC (100+ FPS, although my monitor is only 60Hz) please?
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 05:45 PM

View Postpwiftw04, on 10 December 2012 - 05:37 PM, said:

They're good if you're on a tight budget and don't want an APU.

Cod, can you make me a build with £440 as the absolute maximum - that can run BF3 (40+ FPS), Skyrim (60+ FPS) and MC (100+ FPS, although my monitor is only 60Hz) please?
It depends on the settings.  With that budget you will only be able to play on Medium with 40 fps if you have a 1080p monitor.  As I said before, the build jppk1 posted is your best bet for that price.  That's what will get you the most performance.

TheFieldZy said:

Nobody's perfect, so neither is Hannah Montana Linux, but it's pretty great.

BC_Programming on Operating Systems said:

They all suck. They just suck differently. Sort of like prostitutes.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 06:11 PM

View PostCodofMC, on 10 December 2012 - 05:45 PM, said:

It depends on the settings.  With that budget you will only be able to play on Medium with 40 fps if you have a 1080p monitor.  As I said before, the build jppk1 posted is your best bet for that price.  That's what will get you the most performance.

Actually, I got the CPU/Cooler from this video:



53FPS average, with same setup (overclocked).
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 06:44 PM

View Postpwiftw04, on 10 December 2012 - 06:11 PM, said:

Actually, I got the CPU/Cooler from this video:

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53FPS average, with same setup (overclocked).
If you knew anything about the Phenom II's you would know that most 965's can't reach that high of an overclock.  Not only that, but he is running his CPU at a dangerously high voltage.  It's practically running at 1.5V and most will tell you not to go past 1.45V, with still others suggesting to not go higher than even 1.4V.  On top of this, any Phenom II chips you buy now will not be nearly as good at overclocking as they used to be since they are from later batches.  Plus how are we supposed to even know what his actual fps is if he never even shows it?  BF3 has a built-in fps counter so it's not like it's hard to show.

TheFieldZy said:

Nobody's perfect, so neither is Hannah Montana Linux, but it's pretty great.

BC_Programming on Operating Systems said:

They all suck. They just suck differently. Sort of like prostitutes.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 07:24 PM

View PostCodofMC, on 10 December 2012 - 05:45 PM, said:

It depends on the settings.  With that budget you will only be able to play on Medium with 40 fps if you have a 1080p monitor.  As I said before, the build jppk1 posted is your best bet for that price.  That's what will get you the most performance.

Untrue. The 7770 will easily max MC, and it plays BF3 at 30+ minimum FPS. So if you lowered the settings, it could do extremely well in BF3. Go with Jppk's build, it's better than anything else you could do for that price.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 08:04 PM

View PostMhyles, on 10 December 2012 - 07:24 PM, said:

Untrue. The 7770 will easily max MC, and it plays BF3 at 30+ minimum FPS. So if you lowered the settings, it could do extremely well in BF3. Go with Jppk's build, it's better than anything else you could do for that price.

The thing is, I'm still not comfortable with going for the processor.
Is there a better processor I can go with for £60?
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 08:07 PM

View Postpwiftw04, on 10 December 2012 - 08:04 PM, said:

The thing is, I'm still not comfortable with going for the processor.
Is there a better processor I can go with for £60?

The Pentium JPPK gave you is your best bet. It also gives you a good upgrade path.
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 08:21 PM

I guess the pentium it is! xD

Know any good computer construction videos? All the ones I've seen have been poor and not really made me understand.
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 08:31 PM

View Postpwiftw04, on 10 December 2012 - 08:21 PM, said:

I guess the pentium it is! xD

Know any good computer construction videos? All the ones I've seen have been poor and not really made me understand.

Here ya go buddy! :)

https://www.youtube....h?v=d_56kyib-Ls

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 08:50 PM

View PostMhyles, on 10 December 2012 - 07:24 PM, said:

It's better than anything else you could do for that price.
Everything is more or less debatable depending on the usage. The Phenom is a fair bit faster(~15% stock, not an exact number, depends on program used) than an i3 in rendering and video editing and some games that can use those four cores (the GPU is still the bottleneck) but it loses quite a bit one single-thread performance and power consumption. I'd go with the Pentium as it appears to be a gaming rig.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:04 PM

View PostMhyles, on 10 December 2012 - 08:31 PM, said:


Thanks, best one I've seen! xD


View Postjppk1, on 10 December 2012 - 08:50 PM, said:

Everything is more or less debatable depending on the usage. The Phenom is a fair bit faster(~15% stock, not an exact number, depends on program used) than an i3 in rendering and video editing and some games that can use those four cores (the GPU is still the bottleneck) but it loses quite a bit one single-thread performance and power consumption. I'd go with the Pentium as it appears to be a gaming rig.

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