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#1

Kingdaro

Posted 03 December 2012 - 02:41 AM

What if the out-of-game aspects of minecraft were to be merged with the ingame?

Like, instead of the menu we have now, it'd be a room full of portals or doors, with signs above or next to them. The portals/doors would lead to the different gamemodes/options we have now. The single player portal for example would lead you to another room with portals created for each of your worlds. The new world screen would be a wall with signs, where you could right-click the signs to change each of the individual options of your world. For text fields, like the world seed, you could have something like a giant screen above all the other options that displays your seed, and a little keyboard at the bottom of the wall, which would have a GUI that would allow you to type in your seed for your world. Pressing a button on another wall would create the world, and the door/portal for that world in the previous room. Entering the door/portal for that would would do what selecting said world does now.

And maybe, ingame, you could have either a physical item or some special protected slot/button that would hold some mystical item that would allow you to return to the "main menu room", and using it (right-click with it in your hand, I guess) would have this awesome shiny purple glowy animation (similar to the dragon's explosion, but much shorter as to not annoy the user) before respawning you in the main room. The animation can be lost really easily, if people would find it too annoying.

The options menu would be just like the new world menu, a bunch of right-clickable signs that change depending on the option they are on.

The texture packs screen, I imagine as sort of a museum of texture pack previews. There would be blocks on rows of pedestals, that change to different block types every few seconds (dirt to cobble to wood etc.), and each block would be textured as it is in the texture pack, so it provides a nice texture pack preview. Maybe you could somehow change whichever block(s) you wanted to see in the texture pack, and then choosing the texture pack (through right clicking the block preview on the pedestal, or otherwise) would update the entire room with the textures in real time.

The languages screen could be a room of people, each textured in representation to whatever country they are from (would probably be a lot of work, but meh). They would have speech bubbles on top of their heads, speaking their native language. The user would right click the person to change the game's language to whatever language they're speaking.

Multiplayer would be a different room, where it would have one portal (empty for now), and a sort of control panel next to it. Right-clicking the control panel would open a GUI, which would be a server list (if ever implemented) and a couple more buttons that make navigating through the list easier, common stuff like a search bar or a favorites list, and of course an option that allows you to connect to a specific IP. Confirming your server selection, the portal in the room "opens", and walking through it would take you to the server. The same mystical item/button/slot would return you to the main menu from the server.

Not very useful at all though, more of a novelty that would be really nice to have - an option, maybe. I'd accept a mod like this if it exists, too, and if it doesn't exist, it'd be amazing if someone could make one.
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 02:45 AM

Seems a bit unnecessary don't you think?
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 02:46 AM

View PostUnileggerDripper222, on 03 December 2012 - 02:45 AM, said:

Seems a bit unnecessary don't you think?
...Not really, haha.
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 02:47 AM

I personally would dislike this, even as a feature. A simple and easy-to-navigate menu has been with this game forever, and I think it shall stay. I find nothing wrong with the current menu.
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 02:49 AM

View PostTheBlueRocky, on 03 December 2012 - 02:47 AM, said:

I personally would dislike this, even as a feature. A simple and easy-to-navigate menu has been with this game forever, and I think it shall stay. I find nothing wrong with the current menu.
I don't either.

I'm not saying this is necessary or needs to completely replace the menu, it's just an idea I had and I thought I'd be a pretty cool thing to have.
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 02:49 AM

So you want to make the menus and options annoying, tedious, time-wasting and potentially laggy?

You do realize that after the novelty of it passes, it would just be inconvenient?

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 02:49 AM

I do like the idea, but as a tutorial of some sort. This would be far too tedious for average play (in my own opinion) but would be AWESOME for some tutorial level for the game to come preloaded with. However, even then it would be far easier for the "portals" to do this with command blocks. This idea, while having its merits, is not good for standard play, and only as a mechanic in some sort of tutorial. So, I have to say no support.
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 02:53 AM

View Postscynscatha, on 03 December 2012 - 02:49 AM, said:

I do like the idea, but as a tutorial of some sort. This would be far too tedious for average play (in my own opinion) but would be AWESOME for some tutorial level for the game to come preloaded with. However, even then it would be far easier for the "portals" to do this with command blocks. This idea, while having its merits, is not good for standard play, and only as a mechanic in some sort of tutorial. So, I have to say no support.
Yeah, having this every time you start up minecraft would get a bit annoying. A tutorial level has probably been suggested tons of times before though, so yeah.
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 02:53 AM

Seems like overkill; but I like the idea of an initial room where there's four doors and walking through them opens the GUI we have now.
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 02:59 AM

View Postnearbeer, on 03 December 2012 - 02:53 AM, said:

Seems like overkill; but I like the idea of an initial room where there's four doors and walking through them opens the GUI we have now.
I admit the entire concept could be toned down a bit, lol
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 05:11 AM

This could already be done in an adventure map, but I think it needs to stay in adventure maps.
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Posted 04 December 2012 - 01:49 AM

So from what I've read, you want a place where you enter doors for certain things to replace the main menu?
I think what would make this more appealing is that if you can design this main menu hub thing like creative mode. But even then, this should only be a mod and not something default.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 02:34 AM

I also think this would be annoying after a while. I've played a lot of games and watched a lot of DvDs/BDs and one thing has occurred to me:

Menus with transitions, looping animations, and looping menu music all suck.

The idea is great in theory. It adds a lot of class to a menu, and can be some neat eye candy. But here are my problems with each:
  • Animated transitions are tedious. At least when they take longer than one second to complete. If they are short and sweet, then they are fine. A good example would be the watch menu in Goldeneye 007. You can scroll quickly between menus and items. A bad example would be LoZ:OoT. While the game was awesome, the menu system was sluggish.
  • Looping animations are fine if it is very minute and hard to see. Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft actually require some kind of animation on any screen that persists for more than 5 seconds, which is why you see animated menus or tooltips on loading screens.
  • Looping menu music is fine in some cases. Mainly when it is subtle or loops nicely. Most DvDs have jarring breaks in music loops. It is also short and repetitive, enough to be noticeable. If you are anything like me, if you fall asleep watching a movie, you will wake up several times in the night to the menu music before it finally annoys you enough to turn off the TV.
Plus, the rest of the stuff like having to use an item to return to the menu would just take too long.
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Posted 04 December 2012 - 03:13 AM

What's LoZ:OoT?
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#15

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 12:57 AM

I have thought about this many times before and am in full support as long as there is an option to go back to the original menu. This could be further expanded by when you go into the SSP portal you would go to another portal room with your worlds. (Sorry but if there was an item to switch worlds people would fall in lava and lose it).
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 06:36 AM

This is a good idea, if it has one thing. It should not interfere with ease of use or gameplay.
The portal idea causes the problem of ease of use and quick gameplay, as many people have pointed out.
The idea of having an item that leads back to the menu brings up the problem of having less inventory space, which, however marginally, interferes with the gameplay. In short, No support until the idea is tweaked.
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 06:46 AM

This seems kinda uneccesary. And plus, some people like changing their settings while in multiplayer, and adding a seperate 'menu world' would kinda stuff them up.

View Postnearbeer, on 04 December 2012 - 03:13 AM, said:

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 10:21 PM

Once I thought about something similar, but I'll have to say that I agree with the others. However, I could see that as a mod.

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View PostSnowConez, on 05 December 2012 - 06:46 AM, said:

Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time. Best game ever.
It's an awesome game, but I think it's a little bit overrated because of the transition from 2D to 3D (and a bit of nostalgia), in my opinion. I prefer Twilight Princess (it's also my opinion).
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 10:35 PM

If you think that this would be cool, make a mod for it. The Aether mod changed the screen to show a revolving view of the game you last played. I'm pretty sure you can make something that replaces the title screen with what you said.
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 11:21 PM

Bad idea; would not support.
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