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Posted 04 December 2012 - 07:03 PM

If you do the math the USA spends 1.5x less on the military then china, in relative size with there economy.

The math.

USA's GDP per capita: 48442
China's GDP per capita: 5445

48442/5445=8.897

This gives use the difference between the two economies. Then we use this to find the difference between the two military budgets.

USA's military budget: 711 billion
China's military budget: 122 billion

711,000,000,000/8.897= 80,000,000,000

122,000,000,000/80,000,000,000= 1.525


( http://en.wikipedia....by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita )source for China's GDP and USA's GDP.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 07:22 PM

View PostLittleSouth, on 04 December 2012 - 07:03 PM, said:

If you do the math the USA spends 1.5x less on the military then china, in relative size with there economy.

The math.

USA's GDP per capita: 48442
China's GDP per capita: 5445

48442/5445=8.897

This gives use the difference between the two economies. Then we use this to find the difference between the two military budgets.

USA's military budget: 711 billion
China's military budget: 122 billion

711,000,000,000/8.897= 80,000,000,000

122,000,000,000/80,000,000,000= 1.525


( http://en.wikipedia....by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita )source for China's GDP and USA's GDP.

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Uh, no. Your math is off. Check the OP again. This came from the Wikipedia page on military spending:

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 07:23 PM

View PostLittleSouth, on 04 December 2012 - 07:03 PM, said:

If you do the math the USA spends 1.5x less on the military then china, in relative size with there economy.

The math.

USA's GDP per capita: 48442
China's GDP per capita: 5445

48442/5445=8.897

This gives use the difference between the two economies. Then we use this to find the difference between the two military budgets.

USA's military budget: 711 billion
China's military budget: 122 billion

711,000,000,000/8.897= 80,000,000,000

122,000,000,000/80,000,000,000= 1.525


( http://en.wikipedia....by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita )source for China's GDP and USA's GDP.

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Your math makes no sense. The US outspends China 7 to 1. Per capita, China is even lower.


Try again, please.
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Posted 04 December 2012 - 07:28 PM

View PostLittleSouth, on 04 December 2012 - 07:03 PM, said:

If you do the math the USA spends 1.5x less on the military then china, in relative size with there economy.

Uh, why did you use GDP PC figures for that statistic? That does not show the countries economic strength and neglects the relative population to each figure. You didn't really get any relevant figures there. GDP PC is the total GDP / population to give an approximate average salary.

The correct method is like so:

we take the GDP of each country, not GDP PC.

China: 7.3 trn$

7.3 trillion / 143 bn (Chinese budget) gves us 51. For that to equal 100, we multiply by approx. 2, hence China's % of GDP is 2%.

USA: 15.09 trn$

15.09 trillion / 711 bn gives us 21. 100% / 21 is equal to 4.7.


As we can see from this page (http://en.wikipedia....ry_expenditures), the maths is correct and the USA spends more, both literally and relatively.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 08:31 PM

View PostTravis, on 04 December 2012 - 07:23 PM, said:

Your math makes no sense. The US outspends China 7 to 1. Per capita, China is even lower.


Try again, please.
Looking at the link Calypo provided i am off, i'm sorry. But I must ask why you are so into cutting the military budget over cutting  other things?

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 08:35 PM

View PostLittleSouth, on 04 December 2012 - 08:31 PM, said:

Looking at the link Calypo provided i am off, i'm sorry. But I must ask why you are so into cutting the military budget over cutting  other things?
Because the military budget can be cut. There's no use for spending 50% of the globe's military spending. No one is threatening the USA.
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Posted 04 December 2012 - 08:40 PM

View PostTravis, on 04 December 2012 - 08:35 PM, said:

Because the military budget can be cut. There's no use for spending 50% of the globe's military spending. No one is threatening the USA.
Yes but, why would you cut your defence before cutting other programs? doesn't seam like a winning strategy to me.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 08:41 PM

View PostLittleSouth, on 04 December 2012 - 08:40 PM, said:

Yes but, why would you cut your defence before cutting other programs? doesn't seam like a winning strategy to me.
What other programs should be cut instead?

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 08:41 PM

View PostLittleSouth, on 04 December 2012 - 08:40 PM, said:

Yes but, why would you cut your defence before cutting other programs? doesn't seam like a winning strategy to me.
Because other programs have a use, especially in times of recession. The DoD doesn't have a use for now, even when there isn't a recession.
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Posted 04 December 2012 - 08:44 PM

View PostTravis, on 04 December 2012 - 08:35 PM, said:

Because the military budget can be cut. There's no use for spending 50% of the globe's military spending. No one is threatening the USA.

I think that no one is threatening us because we've got such a big military. Unless you're crazy (like Osama), you don't want to go up against the roid-raging seven year old on the playground with rich parents who will sue your family if you even try to beat him up.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 08:46 PM

View PostRandomness3333, on 04 December 2012 - 08:41 PM, said:

What other programs should be cut instead?
start cutting social programs.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 08:46 PM

View PostTheEvanCat, on 04 December 2012 - 08:44 PM, said:

I think that no one is threatening us because we've got such a big military. Unless you're crazy (like Osama), you don't want to go up against the roid-raging seven year old on the playground with rich parents who will sue your family if you even try to beat him up.
Well, that, and the US military is decades ahead of everyone else, the US is allied with the majority of the powerful armies, and the US is isolated geographically.


But spending 50% of the entire globe's military spending is absurd. There's no need for that. Even if it was cut in half, it would still constitute a quarter of global military spending.
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Posted 04 December 2012 - 08:47 PM

View PostTheEvanCat, on 04 December 2012 - 08:44 PM, said:

I think that no one is threatening us because we've got such a big military. Unless you're crazy (like Osama), you don't want to go up against the roid-raging seven year old on the playground with rich parents who will sue your family if you even try to beat him up.
also if you cut the budget down to much you won't be prepared when you do need the DoD.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 08:48 PM

View PostLittleSouth, on 04 December 2012 - 08:47 PM, said:

also if you cut the budget down to much you won't be prepared when you do need the DoD.
Why? If you cut the DoD's budget in half, you're still spending three and a half times as much as China, the country spending the second most.

Who the hell would even threaten you when you constitute 25% of the globe's military spending?
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Posted 04 December 2012 - 08:49 PM

View PostTravis, on 04 December 2012 - 08:46 PM, said:

Well, that, and the US military is decades ahead of everyone else, the US is allied with the majority of the powerful armies, and the US is isolated geographically.


But spending 50% of the entire globe's military spending is absurd. There's no need for that. Even if it was cut in half, it would still constitute a quarter of global military spending.
also cutting the military budget is kind of ridiculous when you look at how much members of the military get payed.

View PostTravis, on 04 December 2012 - 08:48 PM, said:

Why? If you cut the DoD's budget in half, you're still spending three and a half times as much as China, the country spending the second most.

Who the hell would even threaten you when you constitute 25% of the globe's military spending?
i know your going to call me crazy but, iran

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 08:51 PM

View PostLittleSouth, on 04 December 2012 - 08:49 PM, said:

i know your going to call me crazy but, iran

Iran's full of crazies (silleh Mahmoud), so you're not crazy for saying that.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 08:51 PM

View PostLittleSouth, on 04 December 2012 - 08:49 PM, said:

also cutting the military budget is kind of ridiculous when you look at how much members of the military get payed.
That's why you down-size the standing army, decrease the number of ships your navy maintains, and close pointless foreign bases.

View PostLittleSouth, on 04 December 2012 - 08:49 PM, said:

i know your going to call me crazy but, iran
You're crazy.

First of all, you don't need $800 billion to defeat Iran. This is, of course, implying Iran even wants a war, which it doesn't. The US doesn't either. Neither does Israel. No one wants an Iran-US war. It's a nonexistent threat.
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Posted 04 December 2012 - 08:51 PM

View PostTravis, on 04 December 2012 - 08:48 PM, said:

Who the hell would even threaten you when you constitute 25% of the globe's military spending?

Prolly Mahmoud and Kimmy.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 08:52 PM

View PostTheEvanCat, on 04 December 2012 - 08:51 PM, said:

Iran's full of crazies (silleh Mahmoud), so you're not crazy for saying that.
Ahmadinejad has no power.

View PostTheEvanCat, on 04 December 2012 - 08:51 PM, said:

Prolly Mahmoud and Kimmy.
The former has no power, the latter isn't willing to commit suicide.
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Posted 04 December 2012 - 08:54 PM

View PostTravis, on 04 December 2012 - 08:52 PM, said:

Ahmadinejad has no power.


The former has no power, the latter isn't willing to commit suicide.

Yeah, they're just the craziest people I could think of off the top of my head.

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