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#41

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 04:15 PM

please change this before everybody is flaming about it:

Nobody ever said that the Minecraft API is in 1.5!
https://twitter.com/Dinnerbone/status/272733076738682881

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#42

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 04:15 PM

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EnzerDeLeo, it was mentioned in the 'Minecraft PC Team' talk. They have an aimed release date of January, because they can't make it before Christmas anymore. btw, how do you it wasn't mentioned at the panel? ;)
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#43

et tu brute

Posted 25 November 2012 - 04:16 PM

Hahhh!!!! They aren't actually going through with it. Blasphemous lies!

[url="https://twitter.com/Dinnerbone/status/272733076738682881"]https://twitter.com/...733076738682881[/url]

#44

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 04:19 PM

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Teek5449 , that's the way minecraft works. the server has to do much of the work, because, well, it's a server, serving things. :D and they probably just mean offloading more of the lighting calculation from the client, so the nether lags will lag no more. But overall that shouldn't be too much more of an performance-killer
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#45

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 04:23 PM

[quote name='Teek5449' timestamp='1353858720' post='19345890']
There are a couple things that scare me about this post:

"[b]Will client-only mods be supported by the API?[/b]
[color=#333333][font=Verdana, Geneva, Tahoma, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(242, 248, 251)]Not at this time, but as the biggest client-only modifications are already covered (texture packs, splash screen text etc), it didn't seem necessary."[/background][/size][/font][/color]

We need some clarification on whether this will prevent client side mods from working at all. I think that by preventing, say a minimap mod, will turn a good portion of users away from a server if it is not in their "provided" server mod. Some of us really like using certain mods that do not provide an edge over another player but more of a quality of life benefit. Some might say that MCP will stick around but who really knows? They put in so much work at every release and put up with so much grief that they might just say F it and tell us to use the API.

[color=#333333][font=Verdana, Geneva, Tahoma, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(242, 248, 251)]"[/background][/size][/font][/color][b]Will mods like Optifine be added to vanilla?[/b]
[color=#333333][font=Verdana, Geneva, Tahoma, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(242, 248, 251)]Something even better.  Overall, the game engine is being simplified, taking most of the load off of the client, and having the server doing the heavy work, greatly improving SMP."[/background][/size][/font][/color]

[size=3][font=Verdana, Geneva, Tahoma, sans-serif][color=#333333]This concerns me that servers will have greater hardware requirements. Or am I reading this wrong? This might just put a lot of servers off line due to increasing server costs.[/color][/font]

[b][color=#333333][font=Verdana, Geneva, Tahoma, sans-serif]Lastly, we all know that January 2013 really means another 6 months or so. Remember when we first heard about the mod API? Was that not about a year ago? I really can't remember, it has been that long. I do remember them promising something; documentation, a beta release, etc..., but that never materialized. Basically I am not holding my breath.[/font][/color][/b][/size]
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That also was only when Notch was the lead developer. Jeb seems to be doing exactly what he wants so far (Besides
procrastinating the the API a little bit) If Notch was still in the development i would agree with you. But hes not. So it
most likely will happen.

[quote name='Terradominik' timestamp='1353860127' post='19346272']
please change this before everybody is flaming about it:

Nobody ever said that the Minecraft API is in 1.5!
[url="https://twitter.com/Dinnerbone/status/272733076738682881"]https://twitter.com/...733076738682881[/url]
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[quote name='et tu brute' timestamp='1353860164' post='19346282']
Hahhh!!!! They aren't actually going through with it. Blasphemous lies!

[url="https://twitter.com/Dinnerbone/status/272733076738682881"]https://twitter.com/...733076738682881[/url]
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That doesn't mean it might not come in January. It will most likely be in its 'own seperate update' not an official patch/release.

#46

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 04:25 PM

Just saw dinnerbone's tweet.
"[color=#333333][font=Arial, sans-serif]I'm not sure where people are getting this from, but we never said that the API is in 1.5 in either of our panels (1.5 one or API one)[/font][/color]"
Oh well :(
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#47

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 04:29 PM

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[*][b]Will mods like Optifine be added to vanilla?[/b]
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Something even better.
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Think they know optifine adds more than just ways of making the game run smoother?

#48

EnzerDeLeo

Posted 25 November 2012 - 04:34 PM

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EnzerDeLeo, it was mentioned in the 'Minecraft PC Team' talk. They have an aimed release date of January, because they can't make it before Christmas anymore. btw, how do you it wasn't mentioned at the panel?
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So they dropped the release date in another panel? Dinnerbone is getting me confused.

#49

n3odymium

Posted 25 November 2012 - 04:37 PM

[quote name='Sacheverell' timestamp='1353854195' post='19344825']
I wasn't able to get video footage, but I was there in person for the panel. [img]http://static.minecraftforum.net//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png[/img]
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Then apparently, either you misunderstood someone or Dinnerbone wasn't there [img]http://static.minecraftforum.net//public/style_emoticons/default/wink.png[/img]

[url="https://twitter.com/Dinnerbone/status/272733076738682881"]https://twitter.com/...733076738682881[/url]

btw, the talk's online now. [url="http://www.gamespot.com/minecraft/videos/the-future-of-mod-api-minecon-2012-6400552/"]http://www.gamespot....n-2012-6400552/[/url]

#50

EnzerDeLeo

Posted 25 November 2012 - 04:38 PM

[quote name='n3odymium' timestamp='1353861357' post='19346631']
Then apparently, either you misunderstood someone or Dinnerbone wasn't there [img]http://static.minecraftforum.net//public/style_emoticons/default/wink.png[/img]

[url="https://twitter.com/Dinnerbone/status/272733076738682881"]https://twitter.com/...733076738682881[/url]
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They are saying that yes, API is not part of 1.5, but is a separate update and that the API update was announced for January in a separate panel. 1.5 is slated for a planned New Years release.

I haven't seen any info to support this, but people at the panel are saying this. Wish Dinenrbone would confirm.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 04:42 PM

Ya know for a brief moment I saw a lot of head akes comming my way.  I thought two months time was a bit odd for the API seeing as they have not stopped updateing the last updates, and with minecon out I don't think they are working on the game right now anyway.  No new snapshots in a wile.  Saying that something that big would be out in January sounded a bit odd.

The old reporters put words in our mouths trick eh...O well.

This talk of non client side mods concerns me.

#1 The only way I look at this game is with Optifine on and a HD texture pack.  I can't get x128x128 and higher running without useing Optifine and I don't really want to go back to that god awful default textures.  Even x32's look like crap.  They said that it was not going to be nessary to run Optifine.  However if I can't get the HD texture packs loaded via the default game.  It will be very nessary.

#2 If they are not client side mods then they are server side?  If so what happens to bukkit with all my server mods?  They think I'm giveing up World Edit, Essentials, and the Voxel Sniper?  Or do they mean that I will just load them in their server and elimanate bukkit?  More so what server?  The stand alone server or the sudo server built into the game?

I mean if the old bukkit team turned the Mojang server into a bukkit like server with a graphical interface I would be kinda stokked.  Then we would not have to wait months for the offical server to get out.  Would suck for the bukkit people and the modders will have to tweek their stuff, but....It would make sense.  

Like I said.  Just concerns.  Can't really go jumping off the deep end with the little information I just read.
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#52

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 04:42 PM

The API in January ???
I believe it when I see it.
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#53

n3odymium

Posted 25 November 2012 - 04:44 PM

EnzerDeLeo, no, they announced Minecraft 1.5 for January. And it seemed like the Plugin API would be released with it, I assumed they got it from the PC Team talk.

#54

EnzerDeLeo

Posted 25 November 2012 - 04:52 PM

[quote name='grommen' timestamp='1353861722' post='19346740']
Ya know for a brief moment I saw a lot of head akes comming my way.  I thought two months time was a bit odd for the API seeing as they have not stopped updateing the last updates, and with minecon out I don't think they are working on the game right now anyway.  No new snapshots in a wile.  Saying that something that big would be out in January sounded a bit odd.

The old reporters put words in our mouths trick eh...O well.

This talk of non client side mods concerns me.

#1 The only way I look at this game is with Optifine on and a HD texture pack.  I can't get x128x128 and higher running without useing Optifine and I don't really want to go back to that god awful default textures.  Even x32's look like crap.  They said that it was not going to be nessary to run Optifine.  However if I can't get the HD texture packs loaded via the default game.  It will be very nessary.

#2 If they are not client side mods then they are server side?  If so what happens to bukkit with all my server mods?  They think I'm giveing up World Edit, Essentials, and the Voxel Sniper?  Or do they mean that I will just load them in their server and elimanate bukkit?  More so what server?  The stand alone server or the sudo server built into the game?

I mean if the old bukkit team turned the Mojang server into a bukkit like server with a graphical interface I would be kinda stokked.  Then we would not have to wait months for the offical server to get out.  Would suck for the bukkit people and the modders will have to tweek their stuff, but....It would make sense.  

Like I said.  Just concerns.  Can't really go jumping off the deep end with the little information I just read.
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Watch the Panel. 1.5 has HD texture support for all sizes and support for animated textures. They are also pushing a redone version of the Rendering engine since they could not work out a deal with the creator of Optifine, they have stated it will do everything Optifine does, plus more.

I think what people consider "client side mods" on these forums and what the devs consider client side are two separate things. Multiple times during the API panel they said that to them, client side mods consist of 1) Texture Packs, 2) Sound Packs. Everything else falls into the "Plugin" category.

They said that they are unsure if Bukkit will continue to be around after the API as the API more or less does everything bukkit did already, it has all of bukkit's functionality plus more. They said that bukkit is old and too restricted, so they didn't even consider just integrating bukkit into vanilla. They further stated that if bukkit is to stay around after the API, it would have to be built as a plugin on top of the API. All current bukkit mods would be portable to the new API and it would allow them more functionality of more traditional mods found on this forums, the so called "client side mods".

They also stated that updating mods to the API is a one time change.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 04:52 PM

If they tell us in "January" maybe is realease until may or June... 2014   [-_-]
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#56

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 04:54 PM

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If they tell us in "January" maybe is realease until may or June... 2014   [-_-]
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Apparently according to Dinnerbone, they never said January. Other people in the thread are claiming otherwise. *Shrug* Waiting for official news.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 04:54 PM

This sounds strangley like when they announced ti for 1.3, then 1.4...
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Posted 25 November 2012 - 04:55 PM

API will be used by a small amount of mods anyway...

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 05:04 PM

[url="https://twitter.com/Dinnerbone/status/272733076738682881"]Dinnerbone tells us otherwise.[/url]

also:

[quote][size=5][b]Minecraft Questions:[/b][/size][list]
[*][b]Will mods like Optifine be added to vanilla?[/b]
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Something even better.  Overall, the game engine is being simplified, taking most of the load off of the client, and having the server doing the heavy work, greatly improving SMP.
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Sorry, but that sounds awful. I'd take vanlla gameplay over lag any day. :/ I could be wrong, but moar load on a server can't possibly be positive...
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Posted 25 November 2012 - 05:10 PM

The Mod API will be on 1.5!

Until it's pushed to 1.6.

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