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[JDawgMillenium]

lolpierandom, on 24 November 2012 - 11:46 AM, said:

What the hell goes on inside your mind? See a doctor- immediately!

And yet not a single drop of the grape juice has spilled.

[Thefluffyraptor4]

Personally, I don't get why torturing an animal is considered "holy".

(and by the way, I don't eat veal either, it's very disgusting and cruel, I don't know what people don't get about humane treatment and bruised meat.)

[xGrimReaperzZ]

Thefluffyraptor4, on 24 November 2012 - 04:30 PM, said:

Personally, I don't get why torturing an animal is considered "holy".

(and by the way, I don't eat veal either, it's very disgusting and cruel, I don't know what people don't get about humane treatment and bruised meat.)

They believe that they use the least torturing way of killing animals, they didn't know any better back then..

Problem is they'rem still not willing to believe otherwise!

[Thefluffyraptor4]

Exactly!


Don't forget to add in animal sacrifice!

[TheEvanCat]

Thefluffyraptor4, on 24 November 2012 - 04:30 PM, said:

Personally, I don't get why torturing an animal is considered "holy".

(and by the way, I don't eat veal either, it's very disgusting and cruel, I don't know what people don't get about humane treatment and bruised meat.)

Their reasons for it are to purify the unclean animal or something. It comes from way back in time.

[Thefluffyraptor4]

Yup. But today, there are better ways. We're more civilized now.

[MiracleMouse]

MiracleMouse here with the facts!

1:  This isn't how Halal meat is prepared...  Change the title.  Its wrong.
2:  This is a video of how some people kill their meat.  Saw it, the commentator is a moron.  Yes, I mean that in the most discriminative way possible.
3:  The way americans kill their meat, is in some ways just as bad.
4:  The way americans raise their livestock is much much worse.
5:  The way americans force their livestock to live is much much worse.
6:  If you are American meat or animal product consumer, shut up crying about how others treat their food.  You are no different and in many ways worse.

[Thefluffyraptor4]

Fact No. 3 is 50% right.

More U.S. slaughterhouses are stunning animals so that they can't feel a thing when they are being bled out.

Number 4 and 5 are partially right too.

[funkybub]

MiracleMouse, on 24 November 2012 - 04:46 PM, said:

MiracleMouse here with the facts!

1:  This isn't how Halal meat is prepared...  Change the title.  Its wrong.
2:  This is a video of how some people kill their meat.  Saw it, the commentator is a moron.  Yes, I mean that in the most discriminative way possible.
3:  The way americans kill their meat, is in some ways just as bad.
4:  The way americans raise their livestock is much much worse.
5:  The way americans force their livestock to live is much much worse.
6:  If you are American meat or animal product consumer, shut up crying about how others treat their food.  You are no different and in many ways worse.

FINALLY SOMEONE WHO HAS FACTS

[Thefluffyraptor4]

His facts are about 75% correct altogether.

[Dr_Axe]

funkybub, on 24 November 2012 - 07:15 PM, said:

FINALLY SOMEONE WHO HAS FACTS

Those are not facts, unless he backs them up.

Halal is where the animal is killed through slicing it's throat as quickly as possible and after it's dead hanging it upside down so you get rid of all the blood. It's a humane way to kill an animal. Whatever you've been watching is pseudo-Halal torture.

[toast_burner]

Dr_Axe, on 24 November 2012 - 09:59 PM, said:

Those are not facts, unless he backs them up.

Halal is where the animal is killed through slicing it's throat as quickly as possible and after it's dead hanging it upside down so you get rid of all the blood. It's a humane way to kill an animal. Whatever you've been watching is pseudo-Halal torture.

I wouldn't consider it to be humane. It's no where near as bad as the OP makes it sound but it's much better to stun the animal.

[Dr_Axe]

toast_burner, on 24 November 2012 - 10:03 PM, said:

I wouldn't consider it to be humane. It's no where near as bad as the OP makes it sound but it's much better to stun the animal.

Either way, it's as humane as possible for a 1st millennia tradition. That and I believe it dictates that the animal should have a good life before. Can I ask, do you know how they stun the animal and what it does, exactly?

[toast_burner]

Dr_Axe, on 24 November 2012 - 10:32 PM, said:

Either way, it's as humane as possible for a 1st millennia tradition. That and I believe it dictates that the animal should have a good life before. Can I ask, do you know how they stun the animal and what it does, exactly?

Usually they use a bolt gun to knock it out.

[Tybalt]

Bolt guns do not just knock out the animal. They shove a needle into their brain and through massive trauma and concussive force, cause the animal to lose consciousness. The more brain matter physically destroyed, the better the chance it will pass out. And at least with cattle, it's been banned because it allows a mixture of brain matter and the bloodstream and increases the risk of spreading mad cow disease both between the cattle 'stunned' with this method and increasing the likelihood of transmission to people. There's a non-penetrative kind, which is still just massive trauma, but is less likely to actually render the animal unconscious. Other methods of knocking them out include exposure to CO2 or some inert gas to cause them to pass out as well (though this is prohibited under Halal and Kosher practices, but it's more popular for pigs anyway) and you can also electrocute them (which is more common in cattle).

[fastchapter]

Every culture is different. It's not commonly known that suffering is a wonderful preservative, and low in calories!

[TehBaclava]

Ahh, misinformation channeled into "righteous" rage. OP, have you actually... talked to a Muslim about what Halal meat is? I have, and I can confirm that the only true thing from the, ah, documentary is that they do cut the cow's throat. As has been posted, this is about the most humane way to kill an animal as you can expect from an old religious tradition. And as has also been pointed out, some of America's livestock practices are the furthest thing from humane.

I think what you can take from this is the fact that you should ALWAYS double-check your information. Don't just blindly take what you see, hear, or read for granted. Otherwise, you might end up, say, disseminating false information on a public forum.

[MQhelper]

They do that as my religion does not allow the head to be completely cut off..

These are sacrifices made to help the poor. Using a gun or any other ways of killing the cow is considered disrespectful to the cow.We make the knife as sharp as possible so that it will feel less pain too.

[ChampionRed]

Some major discussions going on.

For all the people thinking the Cow kicking is non-halal watch this video

[Xirian]

(sigh)

I'm so glad to see people inform themselves before they spout off. Oh, wait, hardly anyone bothered to do that in the first place.

The OP did not describe the halal slaughter of cattle. What he described is just wanton animal cruelty. Halal slaughter does indeed mean you cut the neck of a cow while it's alive, and let it bleed out. It's supposed to be done with a sharp knife, and done quick in order for the animal not to suffer.

The acts described by the OP are not halal at all.

The question begs asking why the OP was looking at those videos in the first place; sounds to me like you cherry-picked the most disgusting examples just to start a religious debate.

(And hey, guess what? I'm a muslim! Isn't that a shocker...)