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Posted 19 November 2012 - 06:43 AM

Hello guys and girls and others I have a question about a computer I ordered I'm wondering if this comp can handle a 64x64 text pack (or more!) Recording w/ fraps . And how much this can handle w/o traps recording
Thanks for your time. (And will it lag?)

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p.s. this is dell xps8500
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 06:52 AM

Could probably build it cheaper but yes, it could handle above 64x textures and recording at a decent frame rate.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 09:15 PM

View PostLynxChuChu, on 19 November 2012 - 06:52 AM, said:

Could probably build it cheaper but yes, it could handle above 64x textures and recording at a decent frame rate.
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You know that creeper you killed? What if he had a family? what if his family relied on him for money? What if he had a dog named jimmy? What if he was a suicide bomber, but didn't want to kill you? What if he wanted to hug you and treat you nice? But no you humans are animals you just ruined a creepers family!

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 09:31 PM

View Postxzysus, on 19 November 2012 - 06:43 AM, said:

Hello guys and girls and others I have a question about a computer I ordered I'm wondering if this comp can handle a 64x64 text pack (or more!) Recording w/ fraps . And how much this can handle w/o traps recording
Thanks for your time. (And will it lag?)

3rd Generation Intel® Core™ i7-3770 processor (up to 3.90 GHz)
8 RAM
1 terabyte
AMD Radeon™ HD 7570 1GB GDDR5 for Win 8
64 bit windows 8 ( Posted Image I don't like win 8)
p.s. this is dell xps8500
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can you please tell me how did you get to think that your near-NASA PC would lag while playing minecraft?
if it was 3Dmax or Battlefield 3 or Crysis i would understand,but Minecraft....

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 10:04 PM

View PostHachouma, on 19 November 2012 - 09:31 PM, said:

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can you please tell me how did you get to think that your near-NASA PC would lag while playing minecraft?
if it was 3Dmax or Battlefield 3 or Crysis i would understand,but Minecraft....

I've never played Battlefield 3 or Crysis but I'm preeeetty sure Minecraft will have lower FPS than them. It's not a very optimized game, especially in jungles.
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 10:09 PM

View PostHachouma, on 19 November 2012 - 09:31 PM, said:

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can you please tell me how did you get to think that your near-NASA PC would lag while playing minecraft?
if it was 3Dmax or Battlefield 3 or Crysis i would understand,but Minecraft....

How do you think this is a good computer?

This is a horrible computer. If you're paying more than $500 for that, it's not worth it.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 10:13 PM

View Postxzysus, on 19 November 2012 - 06:43 AM, said:

Hello guys and girls and others I have a question about a computer I ordered I'm wondering if this comp can handle a 64x64 text pack (or more!) Recording w/ fraps . And how much this can handle w/o traps recording
Thanks for your time. (And will it lag?)

3rd Generation Intel® Core™ i7-3770 processor (up to 3.90 GHz)
8 RAM
1 terabyte
AMD Radeon™ HD 7570 1GB GDDR5 for Win 8
64 bit windows 8 ( Posted Image I don't like win 8)
p.s. this is dell xps8500
It's total crap, the GPU is terrible and the power supply and the hard drive propably suck.

View PostLynxChuChu, on 19 November 2012 - 06:52 AM, said:

Could probably build it cheaper but yes, it could handle above 64x textures and recording at a decent frame rate.
No, it will not, the graphics card is absolutely terrible for the price.

View PostHachouma, on 19 November 2012 - 09:31 PM, said:

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can you please tell me how did you get to think that your near-NASA PC would lag while playing minecraft?
if it was 3Dmax or Battlefield 3 or Crysis i would understand,but Minecraft....
Near-NASA... wtf?

View PostSefirah, on 19 November 2012 - 10:04 PM, said:

I've never played Battlefield 3 or Crysis but I'm preeeetty sure Minecraft will have lower FPS than them. It's not a very optimized game, especially in jungles.
Actually not, Minecraft is not intensive at all, if you can't even run far+fancy at 60fps your computer is total crap. Pink text? Really?

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 10:33 PM

View Postjppk1, on 19 November 2012 - 10:13 PM, said:


It's total crap, the GPU is terrible and the power supply and the hard drive propably suck.
Get off your high horse and realize that just because it's from Dell doesn't mean it will perform terribly.  The 7570 is more than capable of playing Minecraft just fine even with a 64x texture pack on.  I know this because I used to have a 5570 and at 1920x1200 on far and fancy I would get around 80 fps.  Considering that his computer has an i7 3770 and mine has a Phenom II X3, he will probably get even more performance than that.

The HDD included is a 7200 RPM model so it should run just fine.

The power supply shouldn't be problem either unless he decides to upgrade.  Companies like Dell usually make it so the power supply is just enough for the initial system and nothing more.  Since he can't overclock and most likely won't want to open the computer since he bought a prebuilt from Dell, the power supply shouldn't be an issue.

If you are going to hate on a computer, at least do it with some dignity.  It may be overpriced, but it has already been ordered so saying it sucks won't help anyone.  All he wanted to know was if it would play Minecraft with a 64x texture pack and record.  It for sure will be able to run a 64x texture pack and I would expect at least 40 fps even while recording which will work just fine if he uses Fraps to lock the fps to 30.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 10:36 PM

View PostCodofMC, on 19 November 2012 - 10:33 PM, said:

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+1 too that. Finally someone who agrees with me.

Anyway, back on topic, it should do it easily. Next time come too us before you get a computer though! :)

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 11:46 PM

View PostCodofMC, on 19 November 2012 - 10:33 PM, said:

Get off your high horse and realize that just because it's from Dell doesn't mean it will perform terribly.
I didn't say so at any point in this thread.

View PostCodofMC, on 19 November 2012 - 10:33 PM, said:

The 7570 is more than capable of playing Minecraft just fine even with a 64x texture pack on.
Yes, it is. I admit that I was wrong about that, I just found out that only a few of AMD's OEM cards are total crap unlike most of their counterparts. It's still a weak GPU, my budget prebuilt that cost a bit over half of that, and which is about three years old, still has almost a two times more powerful graphics card, that's something to think about considering the rate of how hardware improves. A 7870 is barely bottlenecked by a 3220 in most games, and most of that CPU power will go unused.

View PostCodofMC, on 19 November 2012 - 10:33 PM, said:

The HDD included is a 7200 RPM model so it should run just fine.
If it's a cheap chinese barracuda or a older deskstar which fails after three months, what will he do? Data loss doesn't exist. He'll have to send it back to Dell and they'll most likely send him a new computer in the end, making him lose everything he had in that hard drive. Worst case scenario would be that the hard drives fails just after the warranty is up, he can't diagnose the problem and ends up getting a whole new expensive computer. Bit of a theory, but still somewhat possible.

View PostCodofMC, on 19 November 2012 - 10:33 PM, said:

The power supply shouldn't be problem either unless he decides to upgrade.  Companies like Dell usually make it so the power supply is just enough for the initial system and nothing more.  Since he can't overclock and most likely won't want to open the computer since he bought a prebuilt from Dell, the power supply shouldn't be an issue.
Shouldn't. I didn't say that it's crap, I said that it most likely is, however, it's not possible to tell for sure as it's wattage nor the exact unit isn't mentioned. It's still not too unlikely that it will break at some point, sheer wattage doesn't mean that it will not break and is not any sort of proof about quality, and you know that. Especially if he doesn't even open the case for a long time, it'll get full of dust, components may overheat as the cooling isn't necessarily the best to begin with and the load that the power supply can stand will decrease over a period of time. He seems as one of those persons who buys a computer and uses it for 5+ years if it works. A bit of a generalization but not necessarily all wrong. That's speculation, though, including the before mentioned.
Maybe his old motherboard broke, maybe it was the power supply, maybe it's just gotten slow and he's trying to get a new PC that must bevery good because it costs a lot and people are saying so. He got several people saying that it's just great, why shouldn't he buy it if he can afford it? It could even handle BF3 on nearly maximum settings, right?

View PostCodofMC, on 19 November 2012 - 10:33 PM, said:

If you are going to hate on a computer, at least do it with some dignity.
I haven't had any dignity for a long, long time, thank you very much.

View PostCodofMC, on 19 November 2012 - 10:33 PM, said:

It may be overpriced, but it has already been ordered so saying it sucks won't help anyone.  All he wanted to know was if it would play Minecraft with a 64x texture pack and record.  It for sure will be able to run a 64x texture pack and I would expect at least 40 fps even while recording which will work just fine if he uses Fraps to lock the fps to 30.
Most likely true, but if he's still reading this (which I doubt) he might actually learn a bit. He could have bought the parts and taken them to a local shop for assembly, or gotten a better prebuilt in the first place. But no use crying over spilled milk.

View PostCodofMC, on 19 November 2012 - 10:33 PM, said:

All he wanted to know was if it would play Minecraft with a 64x texture pack and record.  It for sure will be able to run a 64x texture pack and I would expect at least 40 fps even while recording which will work just fine if he uses Fraps to lock the fps to 30.
It's propably that it can record at a decent fps, but the bloat will most likely slow it down for pretty much no valid reason, and he could have gotten away with a better quality computer for less money. I don't think anyone wants these threads to end like this.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 11:54 PM

View PostSefirah, on 19 November 2012 - 10:04 PM, said:

I've never played Battlefield 3 or Crysis but I'm preeeetty sure Minecraft will have lower FPS than them. It's not a very optimized game, especially in jungles.

I'm pretty sure my computer can't get +100 FPS in BF3 :|
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 01:26 AM

...You paid $800 for that...
Wow.
Cancel your order if you can. You could have a better computer for $500. That thing is totally unbalanced for gaming.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 05:36 AM

View Postdanielhep, on 20 November 2012 - 01:26 AM, said:

...You paid $800 for that...
Wow.
Cancel your order if you can. You could have a better computer for $500. That thing is totally unbalanced for gaming.
Honestly it's not that bad, CPU is way overkill obviously but he could upgrade the video card alone it's pretty good to go. I've seen much worse for 800 dollars, heh.

Though I can't stand OEM's, between the crappy PSU's, tiny form fit cases that have proprietary nuts and bolts to do anything to, locked OS's, ugh!

What people don't get is the money value just in freedom, its worth forking over a 100 bucks extra just to not get all the garbage software and terrible design OEM's tend to come with. Not to mention this build is obviously not a gaming PC by design.
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 11:39 AM

View PostSatharis, on 20 November 2012 - 05:36 AM, said:

Not to mention this build is obviously not a gaming PC by design.

It wouldn't even make a very good rendering PC.
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 01:17 PM

View Postjppk1, on 19 November 2012 - 10:13 PM, said:

It's total crap, the GPU is terrible and the power supply and the hard drive propably suck.
No, it will not, the graphics card is absolutely terrible for the price.
Near-NASA... wtf?
Actually not, Minecraft is not intensive at all, if you can't even run far+fancy at 60fps your computer is total crap. Pink text? Really?

I have a Radeon 6870. I can play Minecraft with a 64x texture pack and record at 30fps. My hold back is my CPU. It'll definitely be able to run it at a decent framerate. Just because it's not going to be 200+ frames (which 1, your eye won't ever recognize, 2, your monitor can't even display, and 3, puts unneeded stress on your videocard, overheating it, as is) doesn't mean it's not a decent framerate.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 01:54 PM

View PostLynxChuChu, on 20 November 2012 - 01:17 PM, said:

I have a Radeon 6870. I can play Minecraft with a 64x texture pack and record at 30fps.
Well that's just amazing. What does this have to do with a 7570?

View PostLynxChuChu, on 20 November 2012 - 01:17 PM, said:

It'll definitely be able to run it at a decent framerate.
Are you certain? Do you have first hand experience with it? I for one am not sure about how GPU intensive Minecraft recording with fraps is exactly, and I doubt that many people here are either. You could say that it is able to record, or is not able to, but this one is a bit on the gray area. I'm leaning towards "is able to".

View PostLynxChuChu, on 20 November 2012 - 01:17 PM, said:

Just because it's not going to be 200+ frames (which 1, your eye won't ever recognize, 2, your monitor can't even display, and 3, puts unneeded stress on your videocard, overheating it, as is) doesn't mean it's not a decent framerate.
Any faster video card would definitely idle while you're playing Minecraft unless you're using a very high resolution texture pack, a shader mod or if the card just doesn't function like it should. Your eye can definitely notice over 60Hz, the amount of monitors with a higher refresh rate than 60Hz is increasing, you can't just say it won't display it as some monitors ARE 200Hz, even though they are rare. If your video card overheats from that your case airflow isn't enough or the cooler isn't good enough. The second one would mean that your graphics card is faulty, dusty or just poorly designed, and if it's the last one you shouldn't buy it in the first place.
You pulled that 200 fps out of nowhere, I didn't say anything about so high frames as they are pretty useless for nearly everyone. 60-80fps would be an easily accomplishable and realistic goal for Minecraft.
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 02:45 PM

View Postlolpierandom, on 19 November 2012 - 10:09 PM, said:

How do you think this is a good computer?

This is a horrible computer. If you're paying more than $500 for that, it's not worth it.
...seriously? The processor alone costs $300 and the video card (7570? was that a typo? I could only find 7750) costs around $100. You're saying that you don't think the case, 1TB HDD, 8GB RAM, PSU, Windows 8, and everything else costs more than $100?

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 03:14 PM

View PostStalePhish, on 20 November 2012 - 02:45 PM, said:

...seriously? The processor alone costs $300 and the video card (7570? was that a typo? I could only find 7750) costs around $100. You're saying that you don't think the case, 1TB HDD, 8GB RAM, PSU, Windows 8, and everything else costs more than $100?
The problem here is that he's using the computer for gaming, so it's worth about that much for him.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 04:57 PM

View PostLynxChuChu, on 20 November 2012 - 01:17 PM, said:

I have a Radeon 6870. I can play Minecraft with a 64x texture pack and record at 30fps. My hold back is my CPU. It'll definitely be able to run it at a decent framerate. Just because it's not going to be 200+ frames (which 1, your eye won't ever recognize, 2, your monitor can't even display, and 3, puts unneeded stress on your videocard, overheating it, as is) doesn't mean it's not a decent framerate.

HONESTLY? WHAT IS WITH PEOPLE LIKE YOU?

Take a look at this, http://boallen.com/fps-compare.html

If the human eye can notice the difference between 30FPS, when I've read on very, very well know websites for statistics that the eye can only see 33FPS, how are you noticing the 60FPS difference? You WILL see a difference between 30 and 60FPS, you WILL see a difference between 60 and 120FPS, you WILL see a difference between 120 - 200FPS. Everything feels and looks smoother, and more pleasing too the eye.

Honestly, can we add a rule that states, "Don't know, don't post", and "If you have nothing decent too contribute too a thread, don't post in it"...

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 10:10 PM

View PostMhyles, on 20 November 2012 - 04:57 PM, said:

HONESTLY? WHAT IS WITH PEOPLE LIKE YOU?

Take a look at this, http://boallen.com/fps-compare.html

If the human eye can notice the difference between 30FPS, when I've read on very, very well know websites for statistics that the eye can only see 33FPS, how are you noticing the 60FPS difference? You WILL see a difference between 30 and 60FPS, you WILL see a difference between 60 and 120FPS, you WILL see a difference between 120 - 200FPS. Everything feels and looks smoother, and more pleasing too the eye.

Honestly, can we add a rule that states, "Don't know, don't post", and "If you have nothing decent too contribute too a thread, don't post in it"...

It's not too big of a difference- if you can just stay at 30FPS it's fine- the problem with 30 FPS is that most comps that run at that speed dip under frequently, causing frame drops.

Sure, 60 FPS and 120 is better, but only incrementally.

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