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Posted 08 November 2012 - 01:12 PM

I don't mean harmful to people acting in porn, but about how harmful it is to those watching it.

Watch this to see what I'm talking about:



I find the ideas it presents very interesting. I'm no biologist, but what it talks about makes a lot of sense to me, and I can even see a little bit of myself in there.
What are your thoughts about this?

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Erectile dysfunction is becoming more common.
How porn affects your brain (60+ minute series, basically says the same thing as the video in here).

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 02:03 PM

Four out of five Americans are obese? What?

Anyways, I'm not really persuaded by the video's arguments or reasoning. He sorta debunks himself by noting how in a study, they were unable to find a college-age male who didn't look at porn. Pretty much everyone looks at porn, and pretty much everyone is normal and alright. What is porn addiction? We're already intrinsically tied to sexual want, so what is this, a reinforcement protocol in the brain? That seems normal to me.

This sounds like an extreme minority issue, where perhaps some people are predisposed to being affected negatively because they do browse porn too much. But I don't understand why this constitutes as internet porn being straight-up dangerous.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 02:05 PM

Yes it is.Pornography is a dangerous addiction.
It affects the behaivour.When you watch a porn movie,those images get stuck in your head and it's hard to get them out.

Unfortunately,more and more children are watching those kinds of videos.Read this:

I am against porn.It is an useless and bad invention.No one can deny that.
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 02:07 PM

View PostCreATiveHippo, on 08 November 2012 - 02:05 PM, said:

I am against porn.It is an useless and bad invention.No one can deny that.

I don't find it useless or bad, nor do billions of other people. How is it bad? Also, I wouldn't call porn an invention, really. That's sorta like saying eating is an invention.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 02:18 PM

View PostCreATiveHippo, on 08 November 2012 - 02:05 PM, said:

Yes it is.Pornography is a dangerous addiction.
It affects the behaivour.When you watch a porn movie,those images get stuck in your head and it's hard to get them out.

Unfortunately,more and more children are watching those kinds of videos.Read this:

I am against porn.It is an useless and bad invention.No one can deny that.

So does eating, sleep and video games. All very useful and enjoyable things. Yet we don't go around banning food because a few people cannot control themselves and have a eating addiction.

When things like this become an addiction you blame the addicted, not the substance or concept that fuels the addiction.

Internet pornography is pretty much harmless in my experience. Everyone does it and the world seems to be doing okay. If it was truly more addictive and dangerous than crack then we'd have a lot more problems than 1 per million or so who likes his/her porn a bit too much.
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 02:32 PM

I read an article once that said watching too much porn can have a negative effect on your real sex life. Something about being desensitised, so when you want to do it, you can't.  Apparently some people even start watching gay porn, even if they aren't gay just because of the desensitising nature of it.
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 02:34 PM

View PostNerevar, on 08 November 2012 - 02:07 PM, said:

I don't find it useless or bad,
So,in your opinion,porn is good and it can actually change your life in good?


View PostNerevar, on 08 November 2012 - 02:07 PM, said:

nor do billions of other people.
If billions of people say that smoking is healthy,does that mean that it really is?



View PostRalath0n, on 08 November 2012 - 02:18 PM, said:

So does eating, sleep and video games. All very useful and enjoyable things. Yet we don't go around banning food because a few people cannot control themselves and have a eating addiction.
Yeah,but we're not talking about a few people...
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 02:52 PM

View PostCreATiveHippo, on 08 November 2012 - 02:34 PM, said:

If billions of people say that smoking is healthy,does that mean that it really is?

No, but if those billions of people smoke and only a small fraction of a permille experiences any kind of negative effect then you can quite easily deduce that at the very least it isn't harmful. This isn't the case with smoking but it is the case for porn.


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Yeah,but we're not talking about a few people...

The world population is big. If just a fraction of fraction experiences negative effects that still means millions of people suffer. However, when making risk assessments we look at percentages, not numbers for that exact reason. The chances you get killed by lightning on a clear day are absolutely abysmal. Yet people still die to it every day. Does that mean everyone should carry a personal Faraday's cage at all times?
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 02:58 PM

View PostNerevar, on 08 November 2012 - 02:03 PM, said:

Four out of five Americans are obese? What?

Anyways, I'm not really persuaded by the video's arguments or reasoning. He sorta debunks himself by noting how in a study, they were unable to find a college-age male who didn't look at porn. Pretty much everyone looks at porn, and pretty much everyone is normal and alright. What is porn addiction? We're already intrinsically tied to sexual want, so what is this, a reinforcement protocol in the brain? That seems normal to me.

This sounds like an extreme minority issue, where perhaps some people are predisposed to being affected negatively because they do browse porn too much. But I don't understand why this constitutes as internet porn being straight-up dangerous.
First I want to say I'm pretty much neutral in this, and I agree it's not something that necessarily affects the majority.
He explains how certain conditions could be connected to internet pornography and we wouldn't even know it because of a lack of a control group. That's what I found particularly interesting.

View PostCreATiveHippo, on 08 November 2012 - 02:05 PM, said:

Yes it is.Pornography is a dangerous addiction.
It affects the behaivour.When you watch a porn movie,those images get stuck in your head and it's hard to get them out.

Unfortunately,more and more children are watching those kinds of videos.Read this:

I am against porn.It is an useless and bad invention.No one can deny that.
Can you explain the "images getting stuck in my head part"? I've never had it happen to me the way I imagine it.

Your link is interesting, but I found most of it's arguments easily applying to other things, like say, alcohol. Not inherently dangerous, but can be if abused by some people and without proper education.
Bad in some cases? Yes. But not so terrible.

Porn is as useless as any other invention made for entertainment, no?

View PostRalath0n, on 08 November 2012 - 02:18 PM, said:

Internet pornography is pretty much harmless in my experience. Everyone does it and the world seems to be doing okay. If it was truly more addictive and dangerous than crack then we'd have a lot more problems than 1 per million or so who likes his/her porn a bit too much.
Note that the talk is specifically about the relatively recent internet porn that is quote "unending novelty", and it's only been around for what, 10 years? The speaker in the video explains how it could be addicting because it caters to some basic needs pretty much limitlessly.
Obviously it's not as dangerous or addictive as crack. But as an example of a possible side effect is erectile dysfunction (particularly in younger men, where it wouldn't be expected), watch 2:30 - 3:20 for reasons why.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 03:13 PM

View PostCreATiveHippo, on 08 November 2012 - 02:05 PM, said:

No one can deny that.

Speak for yourself. I don't see it as harmful or an addiction at all.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 03:23 PM

View PostAnrx, on 08 November 2012 - 02:58 PM, said:

Can you explain the "images getting stuck in my head part"? I've never had it happen to me the way I imagine it.
I am studying psychology and pedagogy.It's simple.

During the visualisation of the porn movie,massive amounts of dopamine are released(a vital role for dopamine is in pleasure experience,reward and learning).Rather than going into short term memory,where these images can be forgotten easily,the massive dopamine reinforcement ensures that the porn images are moved into the long-term memory stores.That's why they can be stuck in replay mode in the person's mind.The more you watch,the more it solidifies in the brain.

Unfortunately,after closing the TV or computer screen,the brain would want even more porn!And so,it becomes an addiction.
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 03:38 PM

View PostCreATiveHippo, on 08 November 2012 - 03:23 PM, said:

I am studying psychology and pedagogy.It's simple.

During the visualisation of the porn movie,massive amounts of dopamine are released(a vital role for dopamine is in pleasure experience,reward and learning).Rather than going into short term memory,where these images can be forgotten easily,the massive dopamine reinforcement ensures that the porn images are moved into the long-term memory stores.That's why they can be stuck in replay mode in the person's mind.The more you watch,the more it solidifies in the brain.

Unfortunately,after closing the TV or computer screen,the brain would want even more porn!And so,it becomes an addiction.

You know what else releases Dopamine? Everything fun ever. It's an integral chemical for the functioning of the human brain for crying out loud.

Again, because something has the potential to become an addiction does not mean it is bad by default.
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 03:46 PM

I'm 13, I watch it. So? Does it hurt me? Am I addcted to it? Can't I act normal? I can't act normally when members of the opposite gender are nearby? Almost everyone I know watches it and is normal, like me. Sure, a small fraction may get addicted, but this applies to just about everything. I'm pretty sure video games are more dangerous than porn. So stop it, please.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 04:00 PM

View PostJango40, on 08 November 2012 - 03:46 PM, said:

I'm 13, I watch it.
What would your parents say?


View PostJango40, on 08 November 2012 - 03:46 PM, said:

Almost everyone I know watches it and is normal, like me.

If EVERYONE watches porn,this doesn't mean that you should watch it too.Porn has become a normality since the appereance of Internet.


View PostJango40, on 08 November 2012 - 03:46 PM, said:

I'm pretty sure video games are more dangerous than porn.
So,this means Minecraft is more dangerous than porn movies?


View PostJango40, on 08 November 2012 - 03:46 PM, said:

So stop it, please.

You should be the one to stop it.You just can't face the truth,right?
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 04:23 PM

View PostCreATiveHippo, on 08 November 2012 - 04:00 PM, said:

You should be the one to stop it.You just can't face the truth,right?

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There are so many things wrong with that site that I'm not even sure where to start. This is a blatant Christian-supported site, no doubt constructed by people who have seizures at the very thought of any sort of change or difference to their own lifestyle.

How does porn lead to abuse, selfishness, or anger? Images remain for years or even lifetimes? Why is that bad? That's having a functioning memory! Did that site really tie Ted Bundy into this? Ted Bundy was a psychopath devoid of empathy, which has nothing to do with normal people viewing porn. How does fapping remove our ability to love? Pornography addiction can lead to debt? How, and how often would that even happen? Who pays for porn anyways?

Sexual exploitation in porn? Sure, sometimes people are coerced into porn, and that is bad, but a vast majority of the time its just people enjoying themselves and getting paid for it. No harm done. No. 7's argument relies on itself; porn is bad, so looking at porn will lead to social issues, such as lying to cover up the material. It wouldn't if people, like the one(s) who made this site, wouldn't stop being so idiotic. Pissing on your desk or sleeping at work would also be unprofessional, but I don't see any sites barraging those subjects.

"It takes what God intended as a private expression of love between a husband and wife and prostitutes it for entertainment."
This is disregarded because god isn't real.

No. 10 is the same as 7. 11. It's unlikely and uncommon, even if possible. It's also relying on the idea that masturbating is even bad. 12. is crap because spiritual stuff doesn't exist. The best part about that site is the end:

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Please, stop relying on non-cogent arguments. No one here is impressed that you randomly find porn to be bad, nor are your sources valid in an way. To be honest, your source actually disgusts me as it's just religious propaganda working to suppress human sexuality. It's bad, and you should feel bad.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 04:23 PM

View PostCreATiveHippo, on 08 November 2012 - 04:00 PM, said:

What would your parents say?




If EVERYONE watches porn,this doesn't mean that you should watch it too.Porn has become a normality since the appereance of Internet.



So,this means Minecraft is more dangerous than porn movies?



You should be the one to stop it.You just can't face the truth,right?
Ignoring the other parts of that post sure makes you look smarter.

What would my parents say? Nothing. I bet they know I am watching it. It is normal for my age.

I don't care that everyone else watches it too. That's no reason to start watching it.

No, minecraft is safe, but look at some other games out there.

The last line is just purely ridiculous. And that site is just... No word for that. Screwed up in every possible way.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 04:32 PM

View PostCreATiveHippo, on 08 November 2012 - 02:05 PM, said:

I am against porn.It is an useless and bad invention.No one can deny that.
I deny it.

It is not useless as it gives sexual relief, and it is not bad, as sex is in itself not bad, there is nothing bad about sex except unprotected sex (and that is more for the spread of sexually-transmitted disease). Yes, porn is good and sex is good. There is nothing inherently wrong about either.
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 04:38 PM

View PostJango40, on 08 November 2012 - 04:23 PM, said:

What would my parents say? Nothing. I bet they know I am watching it. It is normal for my age.
What do you even think it's normal?


View PostNerevar, on 08 November 2012 - 04:23 PM, said:

To be honest, your source actually disgusts me as it's just religious propaganda working to suppress human sexuality. It's bad, and you should feel bad.
Sorry,I don't wish to make any religious propaganda.My fault.


View PostFireroseNekowolf, on 08 November 2012 - 04:32 PM, said:

Yes, porn is good and sex is good. There is nothing inherently wrong about either.
The viewer's age depends.You can't put a 10 year old kid to watch it.
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 04:43 PM

View PostCreATiveHippo, on 08 November 2012 - 04:38 PM, said:

The viewer's age depends.You can't put a 10 year old kid to watch it.
To this extent, I agree. At 10, they might still not be ready for it, but eventually puberty hits, and, yeah. Myself, I started watching porn around 13 or 14. Maybe even 12, my memory really doesn't stretch back too far.
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 04:45 PM

Is fire bad?

Fire allows us to cook our foods, to stay warm in the cold, the chemically alter substances. It can also burn us, destroy our homes, even choke out our air. It has a dualistic nature, like most things in the universe, and used responsibly it can be extremely beneficial.

The same is true for all our technologies. The internet connects people all over the world instantly. It increases global awareness and empathy, is an excellent conduit for education and news, and can serve as both entertainment and distraction from the horrifying and the mundane. Yet, it can cause us to lose sight of the world. We can become impatient, anti-social, even imprisoned by it.

The view of porn taken in the video is no different than the general view of technology presented in most conferences. Like fire, we can benefit from what our technologies offer us so long as we are aware of the risks they present. Porn, like fire and the internet, isn't an inherently bad thing, nor is it inherently a good one. It is just a thing, and used responsibly, it can be a fun escape or even educational. Couples sometimes use porn to spice up their sex lives, just as and individuals find it to relieve stress, much like a glass of wine or a hit of tobacco.

The trick is in using them in a way that benefits ourselves and each other, not in categorically labeling them as "good" or "bad" in an attempt to protect ourselves from every potential harm that could come of them. To do such a thing is to deny ourselves the pleasures of being alive and succumb instead to the increasingly unrewarding addiction of safety. An addiction that is no more desirable than porn or any other kind of addiction.