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[Schmoople]

BlackWaterisAwesome, on 10 November 2012 - 03:50 AM, said:

I'm not all that happy about the new marriage rule because I'm christian...

I think abortion and drinking alcohol is wrong, but I fully support the legality of those things, and most of my Christian friends support the measures that passed legalizing gay marriage. "Because I'm Christian" doesn't make any sense because it implies all Christians think like you, which I'm very glad they don't.

[Hellfire]

Yes because conservatives and religious people can't make progress. I'm over here in Mississippi where we decriminalized weed ages ago and have had the most AfricanAmerican officials in the US despite being called racists and religious nutcases who are stuck in the 19th century.

FYI The Confederacy was made was made up of mostly Democrats and The Union were mostly Republican. Also Abe was the guy who ended slavery and was a Republican. Just so I can brush you up on facts. We were able to get rid of all segregational laws within 30 years while struggling for Republican control.

[FireroseNekowolf]

Hellfire, on 10 November 2012 - 06:47 AM, said:

Yes because conservatives and religious people can't make progress. I'm over here in Mississippi where we decriminalized weed ages ago and have had the most AfricanAmerican officials in the US despite being called racists and religious nutcases who are stuck in the 19th century.

Sources? Especially on the African-American claim. As for marijuana, I looked it up. From what I can tell, all it is is a reduction of possession laws, not full decriminalization, nor for medical usage.

Hellfire, on 10 November 2012 - 06:47 AM, said:

FYI The Confederacy was made was made up of mostly Democrats and The Union were mostly Republican. Also Abe was the guy who ended slavery and was a Republican. Just so I can brush you up on facts. We were able to get rid of all segregational laws within 30 years while struggling for Republican control.

You think Republicans back then were the same as now? Hilarious.

[Hellfire]

FireroseNekowolf, on 10 November 2012 - 06:59 AM, said:

Sources? Especially on the African-American claim. As for marijuana, I looked it up. From what I can tell, all it is is a reduction of possession laws, not full decriminalization, nor for medical usage.


You think Republicans back then were the same as now? Hilarious.

Actually the average republican I would say is the same. It's just vocal minority and politicians.

Also my source:
http://www.jointcent...al-summary-2000
http://en.m.wikipedi..._of_Mississippi

It's been a long walk to start getting rid of segregational laws in Mississippi. First off around the 1940's we were tied between third parties and dem/rep so we fouldn't get much done. After 1950 republicans dominated and over the next 30 years we got rid of a ton of segregational law.

[Travis]

Schmoople, on 10 November 2012 - 06:34 AM, said:

I think abortion and drinking alcohol is wrong, but I fully support the legality of those things, and most of my Christian friends support the measures that passed legalizing gay marriage. "Because I'm Christian" doesn't make any sense because it implies all Christians think like you, which I'm very glad they don't.

Pretty much. I generally view those who drink, smoke, and do drugs slightly negatively, but I'm fully in favor of legalizing those things.

[lolpierandom]

HempKnight, on 10 November 2012 - 04:09 AM, said:

But it doesn't actually affect you in any way. So it shouldn't bother you... at all.


But we weren't talking about "illegal herbs and substances", I was discussing something that IS legal in 18 states and after Colorado and Washington have a huge boom in their revenue will likely be legal in the remaining states. I am in a medical state and was assuming he was as well. Since I only told him the theoretical method for extraction and in no way told him how to procure said product if it is indeed still illegal in his state, I don't think it caused anyone any harm.

In a state where it isn't legal yet, you wouldn't be able to acquire a screen of the description I mentioned unless you bought it on the internet and minors ordinarily don't have credit cards. I get your point, and I realize you were being more satirical about the over bearing rule changes as of late, but I would like to point out that I did not encourage anyone to do anything illegal. Just for the record.

Wrong, federal law still roflstomps the state law, so sadly, no legalized recreational marijuana for them

[AramilTheElf]

Hellfire, on 10 November 2012 - 06:47 AM, said:

FYI The Confederacy was made was made up of mostly Democrats and The Union were mostly Republican. Also Abe was the guy who ended slavery and was a Republican. Just so I can brush you up on facts. We were able to get rid of all segregational laws within 30 years while struggling for Republican control.

I'm sorry, but... No. Republicans and Democrats of 150 years ago have absolutely nothing to do with those of today. They're not even the same party. Let's put it this way.

First political parties: Democratic Republicans (Called the Republicans - favored small government, strict constitution, etc) and Federalists

Then the Federalists died for a myriad of reasons.

Then we had the Era of Good Feelings, where there weren't really political parties and most politics didn't involve them.

Then the Democratic Republicans (Called Democrats - favored Indian removal, powerful central government) came into play, with Jackson and Van Buren.

Then we had the Know-Nothings, the Free-Soil Party, among others. The Democratic Republicans died again, only to be reborn again in the slavery era, with completely different viewpoints. Only to die again and be reborn again in the modern era, with completely different viewpoints.

[Travis]

lolpierandom, on 10 November 2012 - 11:36 AM, said:

Wrong, federal law still roflstomps the state law, so sadly, no legalized recreational marijuana for them

The federal government does not have the manpower to deal with this. Local enforcement does most of the work in most states.

[lolpierandom]

Travis, on 10 November 2012 - 11:46 AM, said:

The federal government does not have the manpower to deal with this. Local enforcement does most of the work in most states.

The fed has said they will enforce it.

And so they probably will.

[Travis]

lolpierandom, on 10 November 2012 - 11:53 AM, said:

The fed has said they will enforce it.

And so they probably will.

The federal government says many things. If it can't be achieved, what they say is irrelevant.

[FireroseNekowolf]

Travis, on 10 November 2012 - 12:22 PM, said:

The federal government says many things. If it can't be achieved, what they say is irrelevant.

Or rather, they can try, but it doesn't make it any more likely they will succeed.

[Travis]

FireroseNekowolf, on 10 November 2012 - 12:26 PM, said:

Or rather, they can try, but it doesn't make it any more likely they will succeed.

That's another way of putting it.

[XDragon350]

lolpierandom, on 10 November 2012 - 11:36 AM, said:

Wrong, federal law still roflstomps the state law, so sadly, no legalized recreational marijuana for them

Just like how federal law stomped out medical cannabis and you don't see it anywhere in the country, right? The fed tried to crack down on that, heck they are still trying, but they aren't getting much traction. There are now 18 states that allow medical cannabis, 14 states that have some form of decriminalization, and now 2 that have fully legalized, and those numbers go up every time there's an election. The fed can't fight the war on drugs by themselves, they've lost it's just a matter of time before they realize it.

[Inteli7]

XDragon350, on 10 November 2012 - 07:04 PM, said:

Just like how federal law stomped out medical cannabis and you don't see it anywhere in the country, right? The fed tried to crack down on that, heck they are still trying, but they aren't getting much traction. There are now 18 states that allow medical cannabis, 14 states that have some form of decriminalization, and now 2 that have fully legalized, and those numbers go up every time there's an election. The fed can't fight the war on drugs by themselves, they've lost it's just a matter of time before they realize it.

What's the difference between decriminalized and being fully legal?

[Travis]

Inteli7, on 10 November 2012 - 07:57 PM, said:

What's the difference between decriminalized and being fully legal?

Decriminalized: Law enforcement doesn't really care, treated as a medical condition and not a crime, punishments are far less severe.
Legal: Stores can be opened, people can buy depending on regulations (age and what not), in some cases you can grow your own plants (with limits, of course).

[FireroseNekowolf]

Inteli7, on 10 November 2012 - 07:57 PM, said:

What's the difference between decriminalized and being fully legal?

I think it has to do with lesser sentencing and enforcement (in this case, it seems to namely be in regards possession)

Edit: Ninja'd

[Inteli7]

Travis, on 10 November 2012 - 07:58 PM, said:

Decriminalized: Law enforcement doesn't really care, treated as a medical condition and not a crime, punishments are far less severe.
Legal: Stores can be opened, people can buy depending on regulations (age and what not), in some cases you can grow your own plants (with limits, of course).

I'd think they'd make growing illegal and require a license to sell for taxation reasons.

[Travis]

Inteli7, on 10 November 2012 - 08:15 PM, said:

I'd think they'd make growing illegal and require a license to sell for taxation reasons.

Growing is legal in both states so far, and a license is required to sell.

[Inteli7]

Travis, on 10 November 2012 - 08:16 PM, said:

Growing is legal in both states so far, and a license is required to sell.

I wonder why they kept growing for personal use legal?

[Travis]

Inteli7, on 10 November 2012 - 08:21 PM, said:

I wonder why they kept growing for personal use legal?

I'm sure there was a reason.